a lot of really bomb whatever country it wants it will impose sanctions on any country it wants me to walk away from the deputy of the united nations i mean that's the extreme ok that's where this is going to and that's why i'm not talking about the new world order because i don't know what it's going to be john go ahead and jump in there i noticed you were reacting well i think that's that's a little extreme way to put it what we've seen trying to in the case of korea is settle a long festering problem and break with traditional prescriptions and being being willing to sit down and have a dialogue with the leader of north korea i'm calling him the leader of north korea because one of the things that american media do all the time yet is they call him a dictator or a tyrant anyway he's having a conversation and he's trying to bring to bear i hope he's successful he seems to have had some success so far he's trying to establish a degree of a poor and to schmooze the guy and hoping that that will bring him along and will

be able to make progress so let's see how that plays out i think so far he's been doing a pretty good job on the korean issue even some democrats are beginning to realize that although belatedly george i i am one hundred percent behind donald trump. my engagement of north korea absolutely if that's what it takes for peace that i'm on but i'm on board ok and i just hope that it's not sabotaged by even his own people around him i worry more about who is around the zero in the oval office then and then who was in singapore george. yes yes the that's exactly so i don't think anyone is going to sabotage the north korea deal within the administration simply because north korea has now become trumps baby and it's here is either very preoccupied with this you know he and he this is going to be here is reagan and gorbachev moment you know you want to this is a historic moment that he's going to do something that no one else has done but you

have to balance that with his policy on iran because on the on iran he is far more belligerent than his predecessors were and he seems to be moving towards a very serious confrontation there i mean he has a few more conciliatory things about iran in recent days but there i don't think it's very likely that they'll be any change there and similarly i think in the case of syria i think we can expect more belligerence from the united states there's a while yes he's doing a good job on korea when it comes to the middle east i think it's a he's being more belligerent than his predecessors you know michael is it because trump doesn't really care about the middle east he thinks let the israelis and the saudis figure it out for him because north korea that's his nobel prize that's him that's all about him he's taking this he's taken on board i mean it seems you could interpret it that way because i mean his behavior in the middle east is in my opinion just disastrous go ahead michael before we go to the break. yeah i don't i

you and i have disagreed on this before peter but smart people can do that sure i think the is his embracing of the arabs against the persians and if you can go back to the ancient descriptions is trying to move the geo political center of the of the middle east back to the arab side away from its hungry and and formally aggressive neighbors and i think the difference between korea and iran very quickly is because iran exports its pay in korea in internalizes most of its pain except for an occasional threat to blow somebody up and so i think that you can take korea and iran in very different sips but both of them are being dealt with fairly aggressively by this administration and i think i think successfully thus far well we haven't come any closer in our disagreement on that all right gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that show break we'll continue our discussion on the old world order state with our.

kentucky. we've always moved them places you could go to st vinnies leave. a co money since it was almost no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the coal mines are said. that it was a laugh to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's happening it's happened. but you also see that actually. the grease on paris in the us weekly's on the ron

paul is all over if i can dribble from north korea i will think five times before i sign up something with trump because i don't know if the guy's going to keep his promise in the first place. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murderer i would prefer it be the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people was terrifying there's just no room to present in that we were even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victim's families what that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in saying. not quite what we've been

through this this isn't the way. welcome back across the uk or all things are considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing the old world order. ok let me go back to john in washington i think one thing that is clear that i don't think we are there's really much disagreement about is that donald trump seems to be almost obsessed with undoing obama's legacy ok i'm just putting that out there ok. so john i mean if if if trump is juxtaposing his foreign policy to his the his predecessor what work what are the confines and you've melody mentioned that it's more realistic i would agree with that ok but what does trump want to

achieve in his first four years in office because presumably he wants to be there for eight what kind what's trump world look like let's say after eight years go ahead john. well i think i think we've already covered some of that but yeah he he wants to distance himself from his predecessors and to make his own mark not just distance from obama but even republic recent republican presidents so i think trump is much more numerous he is able to tally up costs and benefits and maybe a tendency to look at things in zero sum terms and he relies much more on feel on charisma. and deal with his perceived dealmaking ability and so he's prepared to strike a new directions and in the case of the korean problem i think this is long overdue the policy of strategic patience i think was abysmal failure and i'm actually

surprised that some of the people who are behind this policy are showing up now and criticizing trump's initiative so i think he's done a great job on korea and let's let's hope he can pull it off now there was a reluctance among the japanese but i think they've accommodated themselves to that prime minister obvious policy is beginning to shift in the direction of trump and of course in south korea he has a progressive president who is very supportive of what he's trying to do so who knows maybe we'll get progress on the korean issue which is the most pressing security issue in the world right now i would argue and. george that john just mentioned charisma i mean i if i remember my mocks vapor a very well you know i thought charisma died in maternity i think this is a this is one of the i just think i think it's a fascinating now it's a fascinating point because that's why the rest of the world doesn't understand him

they don't understand him because he is a correspondent figure because the europeans and their postmodernists mind couldn't see charisma if it had been the face go ahead george. yes you know you're absolutely right about the the waiver because it was after it was john f. kennedy that there was reintroduce that term charisma and so on the people were thinking back on that relaxed way that. yeah i think that's right that he is a somebody who is a charismatic figure and he's a you and he does want to shake things up but you could also look at the on the other side he is consolidating the russia china block and really you know he has campaigned essentially that he hadn't said it explicitly to break up that russia china block whether that's feasible or not that that's a different matter but he wanted to break that up because you know in the he has i

think has a sort of that next only unrealism about him which is that this is a this is a bad thing for america when russia and china close together so what is dial doing is is pushing the two of them together and he you know he's done nothing in order to to improve relations with russia. and everything that he's doing now particularly when he's actually hitting the europeans for having the temerity to get their gas cheaper from russia than from america that's are they going to. american block exactly exactly you know the horror of it they want to get a better deal oh my goodness my god i'm glad george brought that i'm glad george brought that up because i i you may know more about this than i do but my sense is that steve bannon was kind of an influence on trump out ways that you know the u.s. and and russia shouldn't be enemies maybe they won't be great friends but they shouldn't be enemies but believing that they could pull russia and china apart in

two thousand eight hundred i think is kind of naive now that train has left the station it's not going to go but we have to remind our viewers because west western media won't do it who is meeting during the. the seven halfway around the world the chinese and the russians ok at the same time that i lament that very much and i think this whole ridiculous russia gate thing has derailed relations maybe for a generation and and i find it lamentable and john can speak to this i mean how the mainstream media and the democrats have just you know just gone into trying for this north korean thing if it doesn't work it doesn't work but by god history's going to remember that he tried he's not going have a chance to try with russia michael go ahead. yeah i i don't know that i agree with george completely i don't know if trump is bent on separating china and russia as much as he's bent on joining them together perhaps our interests in north korea are virtually identical and i think that was the reason for the china russia

meeting at the same time while the singapore meeting was going on much of the same discussion was going on in that meeting and the chinese had very very successful and conciliatory moves to help with his policies with regard to their boat the deployment of military forces. trump has recently asked for russia to be re entered to the g seven making the ga the g. eight post water whatever it is and is regularly saying well the three things about germany he although they struggle over over trade and other issues i think there is an understanding that by the trump of ministration that there is some interest in having equal trade partners and if you call we's think of trump in the focus of trade and trade deals his it is conciliation or his bluster as it may be from one day the next about these guys is about making the deal yet more than about having permanent relations or permanent enemies that's a very that's

a very fair point you know john one of the things the this is where the the when i started out with america first in the in the in the liberal order see michael just hit the nail on the head i mean this is ministration is very focused on the balance sheet what do we get out of it see but america's allies either an envelop did or absorbed it or you know i don't know they think in terms of values all the time western values all the time and they're not practiced very well the european union is not particularly democratic ok so i have a lot of these populist movements coming up the fact that trump was elected also talks about how people feel about the country i mean we had the the democratic primary rigged i mean you know democracy and all these other things people talk about it's a lot of it is hypocrisy and that's why trump if you agree with disagree them in a way is kind of a breath of fresh air because you know where you stand all the time go ahead john. i think the main problem with. the mainstream u.s.

approach to foreign policy is the absence of self reflection i agree let me give you a quick example everyone's talking about the north korean gulag and oh my god they have. so many people in jail no one ever thinks to look at the comparative dimension of this the there is almost almost one percent of the u.s. population is incarcerated it's the highest rate in the world now they stick around for a long time they don't die off so i suppose you could you could say that in defense of u.s. prison policy but we're very quick to condemn other countries and never really suffer reflect what is the matter in our system so i think that. i give trump credit.

reluctant to say this too much because i was brought up as a democrat i've been a registered democrat all my life but this is a kind of crossover leader and i think he is attracting as maybe it was george that said this he says attracting crossover voters so let's see what happens if he makes a go of korea i think he's got a second term ok and i think it's that simple oh i think it's still going to be the economy but if he can go on the campaign trail walking around with that medal that nobel prize well medal maybe that'll impress some people here i know some of his base is interested in that you know george i'm really glad that you know we're talking about this dimension of it because you know north korea is gulags and all that i mean what about beheading and stoning of people in saudi arabia i mean that doesn't really make any news in the united states i mean if you're an expert in the field you'll know about that and never makes that the mainstream news i mean virtual genocide is being committed in yemen and western countries are involved in

that never is ever mention but you know and that day and that's not to dismiss human rights violations in north korea but this is what they the liberals in the media always do they always attach these other things on that's why i am a proponent of their randi it was about one thing and one thing only it could have been a demonstration effect for other things later unfortunately that's where i disagree with the current president go ahead george. yes yes yes that's exactly so so whenever american talking heads and policy makers pundits come along and say whoa we americans we really care so much about values they only have a care about values about certain countries the countries that are regarded as adversaries of the united states so suddenly we really really care about human rights in north korea couldn't care less about human rights in saudi arabia human rights in. in the yemen i mean is israel can kill any number of people who are

getting gaza and nikki haley would just shrug their shoulders and say it was all the fault of hamas and iran so you know like human rights is only of a brought up in as a not as i know the cultural to be perceived adversaries of the united states and i thought well trump is refreshing live free of all this can't about human rights he nonetheless still comes up with this nonsense when it comes to talking about iran and of course you remember what he talks about syria remember all those beautiful babies that it was terrible that assad is an animal murdering beautiful little babies so he's also not free from this kind of emotional moralistic rhetoric but if the police on korea he has been refreshing the free of the right let me give them a go to let me go to michael last word your dip a trump supporter last thirty seconds go to you my friend. i agree and i disagree

with george i think trump in finding his feet in the white house had a lot of influence on him and i think a lot of it was good a lot of it was bad and i think as he progresses he's going to be less talking about the beautiful babies although i also cringed when you were when you said that because you're right but i think you're going to have more real politic talk about real interactions with real countries as opposed to the. oh sure ok we're ok well acted by you to fade sort of about it's official on this program the new world order started thank you gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in new york thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember.

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a million years. i. headlining right now in the past few minutes you are quite clinched a late one nil victory against egypt in their feed for world cup opener catherine but russia still top group after thrashing saudi arabia five million moscow. there are another two games to go this friday and we'll have insight from our star team of correspondents. in other news it's been reported the donald trump told world leaders he believes crimea to be rightfully russian during a private dinner at the g. seven summit in canada last week. and here's from a lawyer representing

a group of survivors and families of the victims of the twenty fifteen battle on terror. the lawsuit against the french government alleging its response to the atrocity in paris was in average. twenty four seven world news i'm calling for a five pm here in moscow this friday new watching r.t. international let's get you up to speed on the first course and it's day two of the twenty eighteen feet for world cup in russia in the past few minutes of snatched a dramatic one nil win against egypt in the opening game in your catherine burg on thursday the tournament got off to a glorious start for the hosts russia five nil against saudi arabia electrified supporters across the country and set the stage for the rest of the top meant.

in the game that's just finished a year ago i scored in the last minute of normal time to beat us. stubborn egypt to have the better of the first half that match had been billed as a battle of star strikers with uruguay featuring the likes of luis suarez and edison cavani however proved to be a tight game in the end with egypt's most stellar sat out on the bench because of his recent injury here's a look at the venue where that game took place. very

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they love. us before the match imagine what they're feeling right now will look to catch up with geraldo a power play later on in the tournament to find out how they're getting on with that world cup experience how the opening ceremony set the mood for what was to come on thursday with the british pop star robbie williams performing past know him by the like also one of the best football players to grace the big stage brazilian striker right now that was also that along with the russian boy to kick off the top all in all it was quite a night to be in moscow and. i. i . i. i.

i. mean frankly people look at. this. it's just so friendly and welcoming and funny and it's as good as we were hoping to have you been hacked have russian hackers hack you yet not yet but you're expecting it. will work up in there like the law may not do anything like that. for me. good luck with the number you come up with this is not. a fever says that nearly seventy thousand people came to the fan zone in moscow on thursday watched both the opening ceremony and the match the leaders of the two nations playing at the stadium to now perhaps you might want to guess from these pictures coming up what they were talking about as the goal started to fly in for

russia. as for what happened on the pitch andrew pharma and ati star co-hosts peter schmeichel and give us a play by play breakdown. yes hello again and why three different russia has

a magical star here in most states the way the saudis believe me came with me now to talk about it is that peter schmeichel for my money and i can help people and also money and i could manage it jason really i think it's face to face in its face again this is exactly what russia needed and it's going to do so much good for for the holiday and it's for the atmosphere around the russian team i mean i've been traveling around russian off six months and it's very little positive i've heard about the team they have now won five of those and they've convinced people that they can actually play football and compete at this level and i hope the russians are not like the portuguese because for us the distance between super optimistic and pessimistic is very strong and i think that they didn't have reasons for be so pessimistic but now i'm a bit like like people say is huge because of course is a great result of course maybe one wall becomes crucial when all's for egypt and russia to finish with four points which is very possible to happen.

for the tournament second matches a heavyweight clash between spain and portugal that's taking place in sochi. and friday i mean i was ahead a little earlier as you know and he made a prediction saying about portugal against spain this is what he said. portugal in spain no freshman at all because they know that both are going to

qualify so i can imagine a fantastic match between dupion champion. researchers say probably the best team at the time i wouldn't be surprised with any result at all i think portugal can go and win against spain as in spain of course they can win again portugal and the draw will be more than a normal result i think they are. two very good teams spain probably a better team than us. last solutions better swards. but portugal is quite a solid team i think better than the team that one day you will see more talented young players in the team. so i think probably the group phase one of the best matches that we can pick and i will be mark bosnich and sports pundit and former goalkeeper for straitly to tell us how he sees his team's chances for the tony we had a difficult qualifying campaign we had to go through it.