with each new administration and yet we tend to do that it's an american weakness it's also a strength or mostly a weakness they also feel like fresh equals like the perfect enemy like the dr evil for america is a very good narrative for americans. having russia as an enemy is much more logical than this undefined terrorism think maybe we're shadiest relations are actually a victim to a perfect narrative that russia fits into as a perfect enemy. there's there's something very important to what you're saying i think it works both ways i think we have this reciprocal us in russia and america is a good enemy for russia and part of it is as you say it's almost psychological if it wasn't there you have to create it there's a tendency to find a demon or an adversary the black and whites the cowboy but there's also concrete things that each sides have done to help fuel that enemy image but you're right we

are the two biggest powers in the world still china is. a centric and that doesn't help it and i don't mean to say the cold war is back the way it was and say in the sixty's seventy's or through the eighty's but we stand astride the world and we have this relationship that eased a bit after the cold war but then we both fell back into the old tropes and patterns so easily that is exactly what we can then talk about after the break so hold your thought there will take a break right now we're back with robert english former policy analyst at the u.s. defense department will discuss more whether u.s. russia relations have crossed a point of no return stay with us. rather

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the global economy to protect yourself and get in for its guys. and we're back with robert english former policy analyst at the u.s. defense department talking about the current low point in u.s. russia relations welcome back robert know mitt romney when he was running for president he actually tried to play the russia foreign policy card in his presidential election and he was ridiculed by obama it was like oh my god that is so eighty's bringing russia back as a foreign policy car but then you know in twenty twelve the relations between us

and russia story deteriorating slowly and then in his next state of the union speech he was talking about russia and then you know the second thing we know that the. pentagon says that russia is the biggest threat for america so maybe actually romney was ahead of this time. and why why why did this car play out so well now but it didn't pan for him. well what you really ask is what's gone wrong with our relations since the answer is that relations have deteriorated both sides bear blame for that and suddenly rodney's seems pression seems farsighted although what i think he said something like the greatest geo political threats. even in the pentagon i don't care what they put in that report i talk to defense department people navy people all the time they're looking at china right sometimes those documents of those pronouncements have a budget purpose in mind they want to get a new weapons system they're there they're sort of tacking to the political wind to

appeal to some some of the district but on the whole our military establishment they know that china is a big but it's also convenient to say russia is doing this in the arctic russia is doing this in the mediterranean because it helps. them tell you because he's not going to upset china and american ties to china economic ties he can always claim there isn't a russia and you know people love it they go with it they're well with it it's like the old cold war paradigm entirely on this or that but this is interesting because you pointed out that i used to work in the department of finance and i my research i'm a university professor now but my research in specially recently on the arctic keeps me in contact with people who are in or around the defense establishment and when i ask about what's happening in the arctic why are some people sounding the alarm my interpretation of russia's new bases and new capabilities is a very sensible thing russia should be doing this to trade the environmental issues

navigation safety search and rescue why is there this drumbeat of threat and they say to me we know it's not true that's political we actually think that russia is doing sensible things in the arctic we have managed to cooperate for almost twenty years since the creation of the arctic council in fact it's more than twenty years but we know that our secretaries at the top like to go to congress and say whoops and get the. money for new weapons cases of this than there is to the pentagon people do well research people who actually know and see behind the narrative that's popular but then there's the narrative and american people assessing whatever it is that they hear and see in the t.v. so when when you do things straight or when others do things you usually imagine yourself doing it like you imagine like this is what you do so that's why the others do it for instance i'm sure like for americans russia crimea russia syria is the same thing as americans going to libya or iraq or afghanistan for that matter

but really it's so much different because russia crimea is like united states and florida and russia syria is actually really handling immediate threats of homegrown terrorism extremism right next to a border it's not a will or over the ocean for us you know everywhere for americans were over the ocean that has nothing to do with proximity of your borders so do you feel like americans they actually see these one assessing russia's actions no differences as an american actions are from russian action whether it goes all the way back to the second world war and the feeling of vulnerability to repeated invasions from germany from the west and the need that stalin felt to create a kind of buffer zone of allied countries all the way to the present and what happens in chechnya what happens in syria in afghanistan how close those terrorist

threats are russia americans have never fully appreciated the jew graphic vulnerability that russia's geography condemns it to they have a general idea that we're a great power we mess around the world russia is a great power they mess around we usually do good things we're not so sure about them there is a kind of sense of a quote but definitely it doesn't sufficiently taken do account the vulnerability of being in central you. or asia so you've said that there's a minority among us politicians should believe that putin isn't after upsetting the world order but he's actually defending russia's interests so can there be a non hawkish view on russia in today's united states that would immediately be labeled as a pro con lean croqueted should be sponsored propaganda. it might not be quite that extreme but look i have colleagues i consider myself a balanced person with a lot of experience i was with ambassador matlock our former ambassador i would consider him in that league and their displeasure is thing in america and. you know

it's it's dangerous to be too sympathetic to russia even when you have a good argument and can back it with facts the atmosphere right now is so rusa phobic that people are trimming their sails i won't say it's a mccarthyite mccarthyist atmosphere but it's a very toxic one i do think however. that walk made this point and he see it all and he saw reagan and gorbachev calm and make peace that it will take on both sides dynamic leadership to break that an ordinary person a fiona hill right in the n.s.c. or robert english at my university somebody else maybe in the white house probably would be pilloried as being too soft being an apologist but someone really strong in the white house and respected i don't know if that's probably not bernie sanders i don't know if that's joe biden he's very anti russian i don't know who the candidate on the horizon is but i can imagine american president saying enough we

have bigger problems and we have a call and pull tried to do that when he came but look what happened i mean this current president is this is not the best messenger or coherent policy on russia he had a good core idea i even wrote that there's nothing wrong you know why was he pilloried for saying let's try to get along with russia it's in the best interest of both countries in the world who can disagree with that do you think of his. do you think if he somehow in the weird strange way manages to make peace with north korea then he would be like this. major foreign policy breakthrough and then they would go for russia especially if it goes against all the things the experts predicted and he still pulls it off could do that that could buy him some credibility and he could say you guys all told me i didn't know what i was doing and look what i did i compas something that obama couldn't and bush could i'm not sure that's going to happen but worth to happen it would definitely change his stature as

a foreign policy leader as a regional break the mold kind of thinker i wish i could help i'm not. all right so the main point between us and russia right now is that since the mid two thousand and xp wooden has been very clear that the current post cold war order is not reflecting of the world reality anymore that the liberal western left and of history didn't happen that russia wants to sit at a table an equal say when it comes to deciding matters of the world and especially when it comes to put in his backyard i mean the post soviet area why don't the americans take this point seriously. no disrespect but we're asking the same question again what's gone wrong because you the premise of your question is isn't this reasonable why can't it work as a policy as a basis for accommodation between the two countries the answer is russia and putin have been so demonized and again not without having helped some of that along

themselves and our political establishment so quickly slid back into the cold war all right to. be fair occasionally fair everything that russia has done from the two thousand regarding the west has been at defensive action rather than offensive everything that west doesn't like right now in terms of whether it's crimea or whether it's ukraine it's a defensive action it's a reaction rather than anything else i am sympathetic to what you're saying about russia defending its legitimate national interests and if the shoe were on the other foot americans were understand how sensitive crimea is both strategically and historically i guess what i'm saying is that the leadership on the two sides have almost stopped caring i mean the previous leadership i mean the obama clinton. and president putin himself they seem to have given up on each other and so when

certain moves are made they almost seem to be done to give maximum offense and continue feeling that i can imagine well i don't know i wasn't there but i can imagine a russia defending its national interests in a way that doesn't help the hawks in the united states but putin has this image of such a hard guy. and i would only blame him for not caring about american public opinion anymore because it seems like no matter what he does there's an unfair response none the less what i'm saying is it's got very personal and you're right i was aghast when not only obama but clinton the we had. our national leaders who are descended to comparing president putin to saddam hussein or adult hitler even in the worst days of a cold war there were certain lines we didn't cross in personalising. discourse definitely there and there was some respect and this recognition that that's just

going to take us down a spiral unnecessarily so when i say that i see the training of our experts our foreign policy culture in the us as having you know gone to a huge step back from the old days of the wise men of kissinger's and so forth this is what i mean this was inconceivable before this and it happens on both sides the demonization it's not just the americans demonizing although. i'm an american so i was very critical of our side of that but it's understood certainly exacerbated personalizing our differences makes is so much harder later to come to the table and we build something it's got so personal we now city. and let's house there's still some hope there because people like you come here and then they go back and say what they really see and whatever really is happening is russia i still think that it helps a little by little but that's how the world changes could be that we need a common enemy again i don't mean another nazi germany it could be some climatic

disaster it could be something the pacific think we should just start to respect each other's world views and realize that course we sure things are done differently in different parts of the world and there's not just one america there are like how many billion people living in the world or just one russia we need. to relate your incense you know thank you so much for this wonderful talk for this interview have a really nice rest of the stay hope we'll meet again soon we were talking to robert english scholar of international relations were policy analyst at the u.s. defense department discussing what are the prospects of hugh us russia ties going back to normal and that's it for this edition of sofia coppola see you next time.

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going to get in the mood the. sun. will explode. it's. a very warm welcome to day five of the fifa world cup for right now in the group g eight meetings are kicking off their campaign against chinese here done in volgograd denmark should goalkeeping greats peter schmeichel is here with me to analyze the action on our teams peter all of our is watching the match taking place on the banks of the gold. but it's england this is t.c. and here in boulder drug bonds it's been a right to go in for the last forty eight south was here on the banks of the bull

by plane by train and even likely six every day for twenty three days one hundred miles every day and we go yes that i lunched on and off the guy. hello and welcome to our special coverage all of the world come from our studio overlooking the kremlin here in moscow quite the view with me of course denmark out in manchester united great peter smikle peter it's all going on down there right now all the action is in the volgograd where the market. and his a played a game between anglin and tunisia in group g. she has just kicked off and i can tell you one minute and fourteen seconds into the game it's going well for england and they'll know the pressure is on the because just a little bit earlier we saw belgium kick off their campaign with three in a win over panama in the same group meaning peter in that need to do similarly i

think i think that was predictable for the belgian when this came is not coming into this tournament this as one of the favorites not even in the group in fact nobody really tips in to win any games so and then would have known that i don't think that has any impact i think and then they've prepared themselves they've had the the quietest preparations in all the time that i've been associated with and with the spin no pick headlines of of them we have to win the world cup and you know it's coming back and all of these things have until today those one so so it's been very very quiet they had possibly old by car and at that a very very big chance of one their last two minutes on the clock didn't go you know what do you think of the line up here where i'm just it didn't it took quite a long time for the lineup actually to be annoyance on looking out if you could cane sterling up front on their own are you confident that hari came captain

hurricane is going to. come as good as he has been in the premier league in this world cup hurricane as a world class player and as he counted anyone away he is he is one of the most goalscorer and hungry player is that i've seen in my life you work so hard and in his. in his locker he has everything can kick the ball he can hit the ball he's quick he's strong. and he's a fantastic team player and this is why i think also that he's made captain is that he has his personality as well but he if he doesn't score the goals where did that come from not so i think you know we've seen study in plays up front as well a little. we just had a really really big chance and didn't score. the school's goal your culture and they have goals for us not going to i think when i look when i look at the england squad it's actually up just seeing the replay of link outstanding it's within six shots but it's a fantastic save by the goalkeeper. i think england really have

a fantastic squad. he's got rides he can pick different players and i said an hour ago i was trying to find out what team is he gonna play today how's it going to set it up and i asked everyone i know and we all had different opinions and my team was very very different to to the team that he's playing with here there's another chance just the mines are on the side. then god again yesterday just feeling to put it in on the just try stand up to say put it was it was an empty open goal if this kind of thing happens continually if they keep making chances and don't score what kind of pressure does this put on them after belgium win and i know you're saying there's no pressure before the game but right now there is because belgium won three no you have a this is very very positive i mean the england there on the attack have produced two chances so far. and this is what you want you want to team to to produce the chances and they will score i mean if tunisia playing the level of showing the

level in the first opening five minutes then just can i just point you peter you played in making you saw all the pressure from the press it's very casual going into this actual world cup gartside getting all the right things it seems everything is so good but if they don't win today do you think it all changes with four or five minutes into the game if they say they don't actually go along the way but. the way they play i think they will win it so i think we're going to talk about that if it doesn't happen of course any game that a country like england doesn't win its approach. and we see it in germany today they lost yesterday to mexico an absolutely fantastic performance by mexico but a terrible performance by the german or world champions current defending world champions and they are under the cosh in germany now so of course a big country that comes into its own in one like this and claims to have

a stake in it if they don't win the games of course it's going to be it's going to be pressure from from everywhere not just the media but. for me in all the time i've known about england this is probably the best team that had better players but in terms of the team and the way of playing a system that everybody understands i think it's a cop to a point where you they can they can realistically say that they have a stake in this i'm expecting great things from him and after that and let's now take a look in fact and one thing that you see a team will not be lacking is great fun these are live pictures right now of below us just outside of red square what you're looking at now in fact if you're somebody who's ever visited moscow that's right between red square and the bolshoi at fear a lot of fans mulling around and maybe finding out at what they are going to be. looking for a stream to watch the football and peter at the minute there six minutes later actually all chasing fun stuff in there as well just hoping that their team can get

off to the best of starts but if you've been listening to peter schmeichel they may have a little bit of a wait before they get their first win. yeah. i don't think tunisia i mean that big player is out the number one strike as the coach has actually said that without him sankey in that team that it's like. with out of argentina without missing it's going to be tough so this is two or three weeks before he got. into a crucial crucial ligament injury so you know he is playing and he's not there and that's a problem for chinese are absolutely well i'll tell you what our teams at peter all of us. is currently inside the stadium throwing his energetic support behind him and he'll be joining us a little bit later but earlier he enthusiast the clean went to get a taste of the pre-match party atmosphere. i.

hear you're. going to women going to win we're going to have a go. the atmosphere here it's been great it's been really good what we have seen is a lot of england fans gathering. in fact i think maybe you will be the dominant support group here they've been providing that kolo the stillness the cheering the chanting there has been of a few things with the headline certainly written in the british media about the foods that are flying around here in volgograd to tell you one. of the the things. on t.v. from this correspondent gave me some kind of ping cheer that i put on me all i can tell you right now guys as we look at this is television not smell a vision and the put yet away from not be guys who are going to be playing behind

me here in the stadium they know what they feel to do right now they've seen that belgium has won they could be better top the group already they've got three points on the board both of the sites will think they can win the snow a lot of the talk was about england being the strongest i going into this but this is eleven sick and still twelfth against twenty first in the world to mishear the highest ranking african side in the told and they. as the old saying goes they go to try and play a counterattacking game and they are confident that they can try and get a goal in and some of the set piece take is particular the lot that play for sunderland for a little bit still on the books someone actually played a red last season he can strike a dead bolt so england are going to be careful if they can't give away any free kicks around the box all. the wise they could find themselves in a little bit of danger they know what they have to to and that is the hard part i think book what we know we have seen no we get back to the fans here it has really been quite nice over the last twenty four hours might might be humanity my feet in the football supporting family has been really reinforced. by to take you to

england finds courage. all the way from portsmouth on the south coast here to volgograd i spoke to them they told me their story when i was told that it was going to take me so many hours to get from the lean to here in volgograd thought an awfully long way to go not half as long as these chaps of may join now by michonne jamie who have cycled here to volgograd for the england game all the way from portsmouth and england every day for twenty three days one hundred miles every day and we got yesterday launched on in time for the game as much as people have asked us and in many many questions i'm a texan many messages from people next thing i kate if i wanted to cycle today of woods however i really want to get on a bike ever again you've done this for a very serious reason haven't you. the probably more fun for cancer research ek is

what we've been cycling for every day.