now are having record numbers of more than sixty eight million people being displaced globally one reason those are displaced by conflict or by conflict and you said to recently that the number of those violent conflicts is now the highest in thirty areas the number of people killed in those conflicts has recent tenfold since two thousand and five. you said makes conflict prevention and mediation all the more important and i would think that the united nations is the most natural of ben you're for that why is it not more successful in mediating all that's trying to you know normally when we are successful nobody notices but i'll just give you an exam they really mean that they are your age i was just give you an example there was an actual election in liberia and the election liberia was contested as you know when there was a problem where the results would be recognized or not i've sent to president karzai one of our members of our level panel of mediation that's was there in the day talking to the two candidates to make sure that they would accept the results and that there would not be a disturbance as we have seen in many other parts of the if there was

a problem to go to the courts and whatever we are now doing the same in mediation to go to the african union and. we have done the same in. this crucially in sierra leone in which means there are lots of the t.v. we are me the a to get the present moment doing our best to avoid a dramatic battle for the city of a day to recognize the different layering know what is difficult and the reason is very simple polish and as the world became less clear i remember the cold war i remember the uni polar world now the world is kind of a chaotic it's moving hopefully into a multi-polar world and i'm a strong the film that of the idea that the world should be organized in the multipolar world but today we have a chaotic world even predict ability impunity is the name of the game you see lots of vectors i mean how many armies are there now fighting inside syria for example it's very difficult to mediate in these circumstances but. everything set so i

wonder isn't more to make prevention. but i already have priorities to do evidencing to the restaurant was a phone three and levy seemed to create the conditions for communities to pretty eight the level of tension that leads them to conflict but you are absolutely right we are far from being successful because these world no use of the sequel to all the complex worlds where we have a multiplicity effect in the multiplicity of spoilers creating a vulcan so many ideas with the enormous suffering of the people well secretary general let us take a very short break now we'll be back in just a few moments states and. politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or

rejected. so when you want to be president. some want. to go right to the press this is what before three of the more people. interested always in the walk out. usually when we have brought about a situation really of a conflict. be it me or the street decides to go see the first people to rush into the u.a.e. do their departure and as soon as we depart forces. so as to the budget.

welcome back to worlds apart from the secretary general antonio t.x. secretary general it's been about the year and a half since you took this position from the very beginning you were faced with this challenge of diminishing american presence both in financial terms and some would say moral terms and i assume that led you to rely more on other actors on other players has it worked out did other have other players that bag game. in the

light if american. diminishing. strong support of the sort of the multiple that world so i think independently of what to do next it's states to seek we need to be able to promote circumstances in which a multiplicity of victims and more and more relevant here within the area least i think to see is that you see more of more countries. being active in the context of united nations and that is very much welcome from me independently of the position of united nations the united states i mean fortunately into a lot of united states of english and to the key financial commitments of the un maintain their position there are as i said as you said some pretty full areas where the u.s. has left but in addition to the central aspects the u.s. has maintained its independently of that it's important to have a multi please and it is that. that's a loss for us to be more impartial and more effective given how important the united states still is both to their funding and their running off and i'm sure as

secretary general your had to run through several contingency plans i wonder in your planning whether you see this change posture of the united states as something temporary that may change too or at let's say six years down the line or is it a permanent change i think it's important to recognize first of all that we have been able to maintain with the us a working relationship the best of the nikki haley has been extremely constructive in addressing the difficulties that we face the latest statement. sounds talking about so you know she has made talking about solutions with the secretary and the solution of the problems of the might of course you're right there's of their own political positions on many issues i'm not talking about that talk about the constructive relationship with the secretary it i think we have managed to have a constructive relationship and we want to keep it but as i said we we need to have a wolves and the united nations in which many actors the ect together creating an

environment of impartiality and a killer but i'm aware of the world or the united nations or whatever only dependent on one or two countries is not a good thing while i know you have long argued against the u.s. as disengagement from global affairs and i wonder if disengagement is the right word because from my point of view it's not that the trumpet ministration is not engaging i think it is engaging in. very unorthodox ways for example take north korea we've just witnessed the first ever historic meeting between the two halves of state but it came after essentially tittering on the brink of a war if you are very seasoned diplomat what do you think about this kind of approach to diplomacy well let's be honest. what can be one of the most important success stories. come. conflict situation so we can criticize the when we can criticize but i must say that the recent summit took place in singapore use

a remarkable achievement and i congratulate to tony that's that had the courage to do it in circumstances that were complex of course there were lots of. episodes before but even during these episodes i remember very well the eye view of the six countries i thought elegant you know that is the six party talks with the aim of the six i've sent my and the secretary general on political affairs at the time jeffrey feltman to pyongyang exactly with you object to try to prepare the conditions for these kind of the a lot to be possible which means that if given at the heat of the conflict it was possible with the agreement of all for the wind to play a role trying to create the conditions to bring people together that's all well i don't know if hero heard that but mr trump also suggested that if you can apply this kind of personal diplomacy to russia for example ask president putin to get out of syria or ukraine and i don't know about here i would be a little bit nervous about where that conversation can leave and i want to ask you

what do you actually think about the current state of the u.s. russian relations given the presence the very massive presence of may. vary the president putin recently and i said to both the same namely in relation to the situation with all the middle east in the in syria my belief that i have said it's already dead to the geostrategic interests of russia and united states in the middle east site and that's in my opinion. it's extremely important for the future of the middle east that the two countries come together and have a common strategy and those i mean it is always easy and i understand that from the point of view of the media it's much better if you have big fights but from the point of view of the world it's very important that countries are able to come together to overcome their divisions and to understand that their common interests especially in these world where terrorism became so dangerous their common interests are more important than the differences that he said that russian and american common interest in syria overlap somehow and there are grave doubts and grave concerns in this city of that the united states may be moving towards

creating some sort of partition in syria. i'm sure you heard john bolton the and national security adviser to mr trump advocating the creation of this so-called sunni stan which with comprise certain parts of syria and iraq what do you think about this idea even if it has a chance to bring ideas that have you had the opportunity to talk both with americans and russians on this issue and one seeing that i believe is the central used to preserve the territorial integrity of syria and other countries in the region to to try not to do some kind of new psych speak will in my opinion. now there are certain issues that are absolutely central to the legacy one of them is the palestinian territories it was the united nations after all which ratified the partition of the palestine which allowed for the creation of israel alongside an arab state the promise that was never granted and i think that is now actively

sabotage do you think the palestinians still have a reasonable hope of seeing their own state and when it be more moral more honest to tell them you guys go and build your life somewhere else no i don't think it does if that is acceptable i am a strong supporter of the two state solution i don't think that is the thing it's railways i don't see that there is a plan b. i think the. abandon it is not realistic because to abandon it was to condemn death territory to a kind of confrontation in which the consequences would be absolutely devastating and look at what happened recently in gaza let's not make sure that's make sure that these doesn't this does this become the situation in the whole area a two state solution might still be possible if we overcome the present divisions to abandon that idea in my opinion is a huge risk and i don't seeing that. we can can see that that the two state solution should be abandoned. they aren't american mr is serious

about the state solution i am not sure about anybody i'm sure about what i believe i am a strong believer that the two state solution is essential because a one state solution would mean what would mean that everybody would have. been in existence. for i don't think it's possible to be maintained never an easy time though nothing is eternal in the world and i believe our role is not to maintain states of small in which people suffer and in which the risks for peace and security are there at any every moment i think our role is to overcome these states of squaw and to create a stable peaceful solution where two peoples are able to live together in respect for their homes and goods the secretary general of we have to leave india i really appreciate your time today and i'm curious to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and talk to syria the same place same time here on the walls apart.

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