number state deliberately start to act again the institution itself its legacy the synergies that create cool for the whole is greater than the sum of its parts while to discuss that i'm now joined by the united nations secretary general until this secretary general first of all let me welcome you here in moscow it's great to see you thank you very much for your time let me start with congratulating you on the portugal's victory over. the did you have a chance to watch the game yes i watched the game and let's be clear we won the game but we didn't play very well exactly and that's what is your letting me to my next question because according to the game stats the markets were better across the board in terms of the possession of the ball in terms of the shots shots on target etc but they still lost and i wonder if. you often see this kind of dynamic of the united nations when that country puts up a good game but the final score is still northern its favor happens all the time not only everywhere i mean i remember in football in the past so we sometimes have

very good teams on the rules lose the games and say we won morally i think yesterday we have lost morally but at what's been a. lot in football but in the context of international relations what is essential for countries to be able to come together and to face the global challenges we have today that of the domestic challenges the understanding that we cannot do it alone one of multilateral organizations and we need multilateral governance and you need international but is picking up the biggest most influential player and the still the united states french just recently it's true from the u.n. human rights council i understand that the optics of it i'm not very positive but in actual terms what kind of a fallout do you expect from that well of course i would strongly prefer that says since it is the first moment tonight it's the. new human rights council i believe human rights watch the text it is a very important element in the un human rights is one of the p. . the united nations and they hope that. so little later sooner rather than later

the u.s. will be able to come back but as i said i strongly believe that in today's world we need multilateral responses and the american side they have both criticism and bias as their reasons for their walkout and the united nations security council certainly is not the only body to criticize either israel or the united states for that matter i wonder if you have any concerns at all whether that kind of pass then could be repeated and if the united states can pull out from the united nations altogether and i'd also accessible i mean let's be clear the united states plays a very important role in the where i sit is a founding member like the russian deflation carolina. and of course used to be out of one or two areas that are more i would say the other thing is to be of course involved in the center of the d.v.d.'s of the well and i believe these

will go on more true believer that when one looks at united states and the russian federation those two countries have in many aspects common interests sometimes they are fighting but they have common interests and if we look at the middle east that is the area that we have been that was mentioned the about this decision the global me the least in this area where i'm still strongly believe that the jews that egypt interests of the humanity the united states and the russian federation a lot and i want to on the contrary well i think the jews are similar and i strongly hope that the divisions that have existed of the countries will be overcome and that the two countries will be able to have strong cooperation a lowing the international system to work there is no way in which an international system like ours can work without its corporation between the two most important super bowl let me ask specifically about the reasons cited by the american to walk out these allegations of bias. russia china syria many other countries make the

miller claims after unfavorable votes but none of them ever walked out of the council simply because i think most of them realize that they're not limited to one single issue they devalue the council is broader do you take this american of a troll to mean that the united states at this moment of time doesn't care about anything else but israel now look. the u.s. position is not always been the same the us was all that it can mean was going all to gain which means that there is a balance in the american public opinion and in the american institutions the going on the party the. party that is in. different attitudes in addition to the human rights council so i don't think we should generalize these i think this is a very specific area where we have always seen the u.s. . position in position of position in so let's hope that

in the future the u.s. will come back now speaking about the nature of that criticism i know that the other one cover to sell a alstom has just submitted every quarter very critical of trump's president tranced tax overhaul claiming that it overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and of course and inequality and i wonder if that is perhaps a little bit to personalize one thing to criticize any given country track record and then the other thing to. bash individual president's policies before it was actually fully implemented we have. several things you have the u.n. secretary that you have the front. namely the security council the general assembly human rights council and then you have special reporters that act independently and at present very ports criticizing country zealand there on the most difficult issues which of course do not necessarily present the position of the u.n. and in its entirety my position on these as always been very clear i sink. better

to do it always taking the country into account not personalizing seeings in the un with a very strong. we need to be impartial and we need not to politicize issues to treat them based on the truth and based on the charter of the united nations that i have been suggesting that certain people of within the you know one thing against your direct advice because if i if you let me to quote that report it specifically pointed out that the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections for from the course it seems like a fairly targeted. shot at especially set forth by special rapporteur that is independent it's it's an opinion that of course needs to be taken into account can see that but doesn't really present the position the formal position of the u.n. but. you know there's a very delicate issues because i'm sure you would agree with me that the position of the american president of president trump at this point of time his actions are

crucial for the future of the organization and he is known as somebody who is very sensitive and sometimes very reactive. to the crisis and. do you think that kind of statements are wise in the current environment i don't think it will be. the reason for any crisis in my way of doing seems different people that seems in different ways my way to do seems to do my job is not to personalize and to do seems based on impartiality and objective analysis of situations but of course people are different to that we have and i think it's important when you have independent reports on these kind of issues to respect their independence that doesn't mean that we subscribe what we say but we respect that independence because if not everyone then will be manipulated and does of course was completely undermine the respectability of those independents borders that are an important component of the international community but of course as i said independent. seeing the u.n.

secretary it is enough now let me ask you about one more issue that a lot in the news today that you are yourself weighed in and this is the trumpet ministrations that immigration policy particularly. the practice of separating children from their parents who crossed into the united states illegally mr trump has just sought to reverse that policy by his executive order and i wonder what the u.s. secretary general have really understood how this man functioned so what can possibly persuade him to change his mind as he just did on the immigration i don't think we should personalize things. policies that this policy is. really only good luck that in fact they are trying to do and a policy was published was to say that in my opinion that is not a good thing and that my experience as i commission for refugees is always that two separate families is something that's going to have very negative consequences for the people and then of course for the society in general and i'm glad that the

policy will be if you first see that many other actors in the international community in the in the u.s. politics including in the third really. express their opinion as i said let's the best way to be ective in my opinion is not to personalize is to look into sinks objectively and if you do it in a way that. in passionately if you do is you know whether it is objective i think that's the best way to convince people to do the right thing well let's try to look at it impartially. policies are usually couched in moral terms but i think there is a very real legal dilemma there it is not good in any way to separate children from their parents but i think it would also agree that the united states is entitled and has the right to prosecute people who cross into its territory illegally so i wonder whether the more humane way would be to put those children in jail together with their parents or perhaps to graham. parents waver

from prosecution simply because they happen to be parents well countries of the right to have their own migration policies but migration policy is need also to respect human rights migration policies in the management of borders needs also to be protective sensitive namely respecting international refugee law i myself am against the nation of someone just because someone entered not legally in the country you see refugees as no other chance to escape but to cross the border that that not in a legal way so i am not in favor of a policy of our three minimization but as i said i recognize countries have the right to define their own migration policies what is important is that they do it in respect to human rights to human dignity because migrants and also human beings that need to be can see that and respect it's absolutely and we would all do our best for our children but i think i mean i don't represent fox news here but i

think it is important to recognize that they are not talking about the you know serial mothers fleeing for their lives we are talking about mexican mothers and fathers who try to find a better future for their kids for their living vibrant developing country so. i'm portuguese. in the sixty's. when million five hundred thousand portuguese left the country at the time walking into france. and they were basically moving because of poverty and basically because they wanted a better life no it doesn't mean that. everybody should do it but i have a lot of respect for people that. in the case of the meter amy and put their lives at risk crossing the mediterranean with e.s.p. patient to provide for their children a better life than the one they could have so again. i am totally against smuggling people but i have a deep respect for the people that try to do something to come out of.

there is more people killed in these countries by the different gangs that operates in the syrian war so we are in situations that are sometimes desperate which means that in these flows of people you have people that fleet only because of economic reasons but we have also people that have been victims of persecution so again dancers have the right to be found their policies countries have the right to send back migrants but all there needs to be that in respect for the basic human rights and for the dignity of people now migration is obviously a very contentious issue not only in the united states but also in europe which used to be as you just pointed out more welcoming towards migrants an error that let me tell you something about my question my mother is ninety four years old is not a very serious you know my mother is under four years old i visit my mother when i

go back to portugal every month and she is always one person taking care of twenty four hours by twenty four hours independently of the family and i have never seen a portuguese taking care of my buddy. and in most of the country you have fifty three indexes of one point two one point three one point four make addition is also necessary what is this what is needed in my opinion is to recognize the need to organize it with interest to avoid these illegal migration to organize migration to create opportunities for illegal migration taking into account deaves of states and the answers of people we need to look at migration is a normal scene in which states need to have the responsibility toward denies them properly instead of leaving to these desperate situation a ditch people flee because there is nothing that is not in place to a lot for normal flows that take into account the needs of countries of origin and the needs of countries of this nation what secretary-general i am i had

a chance to interview i think it was four years ago when you were at your high commissioner for refugees and you said pretty much the same thing that migration has to be managed and balanced in the four years that have to do anything the countries have learned how to do it in a balanced way that and that is the problem we have today i think i was right four years ago and i'm still right and the fact that this is not being sincerely assumed is creating the chaotic situation that we see in many parts of the world which by gratian became the issue the issue in many electoral campaigns and because of that you see populists country skin of populist part of these movements and others are gaining ground in many countries if regulation we manage properly in respect for the answer of the countries but also the interests of the people i see these would not be the issue that is driving the politics in so many countries now one of the reasons why a migration increasing and we're now having record numbers of more than sixty eight million people being displaced globally one reason those are displaced by conflict

or by conflict and you said to recently that the number of those violent conflicts is now the highest in thirty areas the number of people killed in those conflicts has risen ten fold since two thousand and five. usat makes conflict prevention and mediation all the more important and i would think that the united nations is there the most natural of ben your for that why is it not more successful in getting on this track of you know normally when we are successful nobody notices but i'll just give you an exam they really mean that they are your age as i just give you an example there was an actual election in liberia and the election liberia was contested as you know when there was a problem where the results would be recognized or not i've sent to president bush one of our members of our level panel of mediation that's was there in the day talking to the two candidates to make sure that they would accept the results and that there would not be a disturbance as we have seen in many other parts of the if there was a problem to go to the courts and whatever we are now doing the same in mediation to go to the african union and relation to that we have done the same in.

this critically in sierra leone and which means there are lots of achieve it we are me the agent get the present moment doing our best to avoid a dramatic battle for the city of all data recognise that the family layering know what is difficult and the reason is very simple volitions is the world became less clear i remember the cold war i remember a uni polar world now the world is kind of chaotic it's moving hopefully into a multi-polar world and i'm a strong defender of the idea that the world should be organized in a multi-polar way but today we have a chaotic world input addict ability impunity is the name of the game you see lots of vectors i mean how many armies are there now fighting inside syria for example it's very difficult to mediate in these circumstances but every. wonder is and more to make prevention. but i already have priorities to evidencing to the rest of the

cause of conflict to create the conditions for communities not to create the level of tension that leads them to conflict but you are absolutely right we are far from being sick. because these world no use of the sequel to all the complex worlds where we have a multiplicity of actors in the multiplicity of spoilers creating a vulcan so many ideas with the enormous suffering of the people but secretary general let us take a very short break now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned.

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welcome back to worlds apart from n.b.c. and secretary general until any of the terrorists secretary general it's been about the year and a half since you took this position from the very. beginning you were faced with this challenge of diminishing american presence both in financial terms and some would say moral terms and i assume that led you to rely more on other actors and other players has it worked out did other have other players bag game. in the light of american. diminishing. strong support of the sort of the multiple that world so i think independently of what to the united states we need to be able to promote circumstances in which a multiplicity of actors a subaru more and more relevant here means r.e.o.'s they don't need to see is that you see more and more countries being active in the context of united nations and that is very much welcome from me independently of the position of united nations

the united states i mean fortunately into a lot of united states of english and to the financial commitments maintain their position there as i said as you said some pretty full areas where the u.s. has left but in addition to the central aspects the u.s. has maintained independently of that it's important to have a multi please city of access and it is that equilibrium that's a loss for us to be more impartial and body sectors given how important the united states still is both to their funding and their running off and i'm sure as secretary general your had to run through several contingency plans i wonder in your planning whether you see this change posture of the united states as something temporary that may change too or at let's say six years down the line or is it a permanent change i think it's important to recognise first of all that we have been able to maintain the us a working relationship the best of the nikki haley has been extremely constructive

in addressing the difficulties that we face are real and if the latest statement. sounds are talking about so much as michael are talking about solutions with the secretary and the solution of the problems of the. of course you're right there's of their own political positions on many issues i'm not talking about that talk about the constructive relationship with the secretary it i think we have managed to have a constructive relationship and we want to keep it but as i said we we need to have a wolves and the united nations in which many actors ect together creating an environment of impartiality and a killer but i'm aware of the world or united nations or whatever only dependent on one or two countries is not a good thing while i know you have long argued that the us has disengagement from global affairs and i wonder if disengagement is the right word because from my point of view it's not that the trump administration is not engaging i think it is engaging in a very unorthodox ways for example take north korea we've just witnessed the first

ever historic meeting between the two. had her stay but it came after him essentially tittering on the brink of war if you are very seasoned diplomat what do you think about this kind of approach to diplomacy well let's be honest. what's going to be one of the most important success stories. a complex. conflict situation so we can criticize or when we can criticize but i must say that the recent summits that took place in singapore is a remarkable achievement and i call it too late to tell me that that had the courage to do it in circumstances that were complex of course there were lots of. episodes before but even during these episodes i remember very well the i view of the six countries i thought all of us you know that is the six party talks with the name of the six i've sent to my and the secretary general on political affairs at the time jeffrey feltman to pyongyang exactly with you object to try to prepare the

conditions for these kind of the a lot to be possible which given at the heat of the conflict it was possible with the agreement of all for the wind to play a role trying to keep. conditions to bring people together that's all well i don't know if hero heard that but mr trump also suggested that if you can apply this kind of personal diplomacy to russia for example ask president putin to get out of syria or ukraine and i don't know about here i would be a little bit nervous about where that conversation can leave and i want to ask you what do you actually think about the current state of the u.s. russian relations given their presence very massive presence have made. their own thread is that president putin recently and i said to both of the same name to the situation with all the release of the in syria my belief that i have said this already to the geostrategic interests of russia and united states in the middle east. and that's in my opinion it's extremely important for the future of the middle east that the two countries come together and have

a common strategy and that seems to i mean it is always easy and i understand that from the point of view of the media it's much better if you have big fights but from the point of view of the world it's very important that countries are able to come together to overcome their divisions and to understand that there are common interests especially in these world where terrorism became so dangerous that common interests are more important than the differences that he said that russian and american common interest in syria overlap somehow and there are grave doubts and grave concerns and they said that the united states may be moving towards creating some sort of partition in syria. i'm sure you heard john bolton the and national security advisor to mr advocating the creation of the so-called sunni which with comprise certain parts of syria and iraq what do you think about this idea even if it has a chance to bring ideas that have you had the opportunity to talk both with the americans and russians on this issue and one saying that i believe you will use to

preserve the territorial integrity of syria and other countries in the region to to try nod to do some kind of new psych speak will in my opinion will be as we side move now there are certain issues that are out. it's a little. like to see one of them is the palestinian territories it was the united nations after all which ratified the partition of the palestine which allowed for the creation of israel alongside an arab state the promise that was never granted and i think that is now actively sabotage do you think the palestinians still have a reasonable hope of seeing their own state and when it be more moral more honest to tell them you guys go and build your life somewhere else no i don't think does it that is acceptable i am a strong supporter of the two state solution i don't see that there is a thing in three hours i don't see that there is a plan b. i think that to abandon it is not realistic because to abandon it was to condemn

death territory to a kind of confrontation in which the consequences would be absolutely devastating happened look at what happened recently in gaza let's not make sure let's make sure that this doesn't this does this become the situation in the whole area the two state solution might still be possible if we overcome the present divisions to abandon that idea in my opinion is a huge risk and i don't seeing that. we can conceive that the two state solution should be abandoned in israel or the american administration they aren't american mr is serious about their to state solution i am not sure about anybody i'm sure about what i believe i am a strong believer that the two state solution is essential because a one state solution would mean what would mean that everybody would have to send their this therefore been in existence for seventy years this total score i don't think is possible to be maintained never easy to know nothing is eternal in the

world and i believe our all is not to maintain said too small in which people suffered and in which the risks for peace and security are there to tell you every moment i think our role is to overcome this little school and to create a stable peaceful. two peoples are able to leave together in respects for the atoms to get secretary general and we have to leave india i really appreciate your time today and i'm glad our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here when i was a part of. our.

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