ross talking political insults i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bob h. he's a political analyst with international and in cyprus we cross to alex cruciform he is he is the director and writer for the duran dot com are right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate let me first go to you alex and in cyprus. i've often said on this program you have to be careful with your political rhetoric because it's almost impossible sometimes the walking back now we're in an environment as i said in the introduction anyone you don't like is a nazi or adolf hitler it tells me that the mainstream media and some politicians particularly on the left have no idea what a nazi is or what hitler was all about go ahead alex yeah that that i agree with you they have no idea what a nazi is or what hitler is about you're exactly right it shows that they've lost the debate based on facts whether you're talking about russia kate or mueller

investigation of the whole russia collusion thing or even a lot of what's being said about immigration i'm not going to take a position one way or another but it just shows that they don't want to argue based on facts or logic they just fall back straight to the identity politics if you don't agree with that you're a fascist you're and you're a white supremacist whatever they want to call you but it's also peter it's extremely dangerous because well call someone a nazi what's the press starts demonizing someone they become a nazi it signals to the general public that that nazi has to be stopped right and when you want to stop a nazi you have to resort to the most extreme of violence and a lot of times the violence can be justified because someone can say well i was stopping the next hitler i was stopping the next nazi so it leads to a very dangerous place and it's hard to walk back from it mark. for our viewers please explain to them what hap. not years after hitler came to power but in

a matter of weeks ok it's within think six weeks he can consolidate the full power in germany and what did that mean you know he's got no trade unions absolutely tickled part of the press is completely suppressed distinguished after their os on the right stock basically all rivaling political forces were removed from the scene but it's existed formally there was this should start which means a lot for the protection of the state and the nation which basically made it impossible to impeach him to let you know you wait when people now are talking about elections in november after nine hundred thirty three it makes no sense to talk about elections hitler was not impeached even in one thousand nine hundred fifty four nineteen forty five hundred twenty was basically a losing the war that he started so if there is any parallel it's not between he

and trump if there are any people in europe who still adore him or his allies then look at the ukrainian government they passed a law recently which makes it illegal to criticize the ukrainian nationalist group such as that ukrainian insurgent army which elevate themselves to the not just in one thousand nine hundred year one in one thousand forty four in large where some of them yes as a legion force us to this are still not still they started to be revealed after a lot to stop to be a part of the soviet union in one thousand nine hundred one and that continues but it continued under clinton it continued under obama the thing is for me mark it it's it's it tells me this is a mindset again. mention it it's it's an extreme form of virtuous signalling ok i mean because it's not about arguments it's not about a debate it's about your moral standing in society which by the very gifted.

initiative using these terms is zero you know very hypocritical definition of moral standing in society what we're seeing is the absolute polarization of american politics between the liberals and particularly the supporters of the current president and the united states and i have this absurd rhetoric of calling someone not seize an equal footing trumps administration you don't have to like him i don't like a great deal particularly domestically of what what the man is doing but this completely devalues the actual losses of the six million plus jews that died in the holocaust the twenty to thirty million soviet citizens that died in the the death toll in serbia the death of millions as well all across eastern europe it completely devalues and deal with. let me go back to alex in cyberspace marcus

fallen on it trivializes what fascism and what hitler's third reich did in the twentieth century the use of this rhetoric by the left trivializes one of the most . treacherous in dangerous and and least humane time in human history alex yeah but words have they start to lose their meaning because they're just said so often and so frivolously that there's no meaning behind it and a lot of the people don't understand that. splendid understand the history behind the word but they're just using it to stir up so much anger and so much hate and so much division that it's going to lead to a very very bad place i mean peter you had you had the home secretary couldn't eat at a mexican restaurant the other day nielsen they are out sarah huckabee sanders at a restaurant the other day and they wouldn't serve her so i mean it's getting to the point of. mass hysteria you know. i worry is that someone's going to take it

a step further yes and we're going to see violence we already saw it with congressman luis when he was on a baseball pitch we had someone come out and use violence and thank god he survived . but this is creating it's normalizing hysteria is what it's doing well if we look at the psychological roots of this it is basically avoidance over here as michael brown i think just the great american think of the day she put in his article but basically people seen so many contradictions like. ok that is the evil incarnate but we should not criticize those early school provision and finance them like to work in saudi arabia in afghanistan a bomber declare the war. he declared war on a few years ago but we have to send troops to afghanistan basically under obama and

under george bush jr torture was legitimate i stand by killing people who don't how do you avoid it how you stop thinking about it well we are facing fascists you know russians are born being i sill and other terrorists but russians are bad guys because putin is so authoritarian right. you know we have the head of the cia that has a track record of committing acts of torture. against financial people as you saw there actually this is normalizing everything is it's acceptable it's already been and where we're going with that normalizing you could be preparing society for some kind of shock where the politically impossible suddenly become somebody with. a deal is already said it before it can't be said again in this world in the world today there are is really one clear example of fascism band there right fascism resurgent and ukraine in some way you could say and some of. the baltic states

where people literally get into waffen s.s. uniforms and celebrate their ancestors collaboration josh cohen writing for the right here if we can get the camera on me because it's a good article to read the title i don't is ukraine's got a real problem with far right violence parentheses and no r.p. didn't write this headline yes josh r.t. did not write this headline because reported it four years ago when it was just cool and he he must have been living under a rock for years now he's reporting about. these ultra nationalist far right you know code for bad or right fascist militias funded supported and sent against their own citizens via the putsch regime that the west back to new korean days off i dar the right sector the new national drill geno works like our parallel of police force and sea fourteen which stands for the fourteen words which even have

a seventeen thousand dollars from the ukrainian portrush even for kids camps and he reports that there are these are launching attacks on roma camps anti-fascist demonstrations city council meetings and amnesty international event art exhibitions l.g.b. t. events international environmental activists and the women's day march not these just so you know western media these people that you were backing in ukraine at least the vanguard of of the new government that helped brought it to power and keep it there those are actual honest to god real fascists. i already brought up the term of virtue virtue is signaling i mean this whole again i think you put it really well where you want to fall on the immigration debate but you know if you have the picture of time the cover of time magazine trump without a child i mean on so many levels. that cover of is fictitious it's

a throng have to write it's fake news ok and particularly when trump found himself squeezed he caved whatever word you want to use. but he inherited a problem and he's still being blamed for it ok even when he took action go ahead oh yeah it was completely fake i mean the whole story was fake. the whole hysteria about the little girl nothing of about it was was even close to her getting taken away snatched from the arms for mother but i mean there's no need to go into detail the whole thing was fake news and that's why people are calling c.n.n. and time and all these outlets fake news because they really are reporting and they're fabricating fake news but i also want to get to the point that the whole neo nazi white supremacist thing is not only confined to the us the other day we saw i hate to bring her up hillary clinton was at trinity college in dublin and she was talking about how russian president vladimir putin is trying to drive nato and

the e.u. away from the arms of the u.s. and he's the leader of the white supremacist xeno phobia movement so you can see this whole idea of everybody's a fascist except us neo liberals except us globalist except us liberal leftist is they're trying to spread it past the u.s. and it's and it's a term that's that's now becoming internationalized you know the absolute irony of that is the u.s. is preferred leader for russia alexei you know balding is the actually alter net still is and already senate seats are a scene over at the gentlemen here gentlemen we have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with us. in the heart of the swiss alps this is a place probably most secretive than the pentagon. mysterious than the cia and

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you we're discussing some real news. ok let me go to d.m. here we talked a little bit about this last week since then. there's a meeting between putin and trump it's getting some traction right now bolton is setting up the background. he's not i don't think he's a person that is particularly keen on it but maybe pompei you know in trying to go in or pushing him. i am not particularly convinced that it's a good idea for them to have one on one at this point what are your thoughts well i just don't think they can produce substantial results simply because of the pressure we. know you know and pressure from the congress pressure from the media but what made me laugh is the reaction of the so-called liberals in the united states they're afraid of this meeting just left me cold and therefore bolt from the

water and of course i get traded for another we even televised fest this time between trump and putin. and what is she afraid off she's afraid of a trade off between them and the trade off is going to be called an apple bomb we stop holding military exercises in europe in exchange with a while russia to keep crimea which is why i give your something and then i give you something. it's just going to create a new file called these people are afraid you know it reminded me all of ronald reagan being afraid of going to go after it reminds me of the same thing about the north korean summit that my just bring peace to the korean peninsula same how awful to meet it's if you read you get the impression that in things that ukraine is sort of personal position it's being bargained away but she had all that nationalism is exactly what. in two thousand and fourteen in the new role if if a new one is praising the support of the people at what you could make

a comment to end up a bomb in ukraine and nationalism is that what has happened since two thousand and fourteen there is a nationalism there but in the nation ok mark how do you follow. a summit a one on one because it seems to me that even though russia gate is winding down it's really turning into f.b.i. gate and d.o.j. gate more than anything else but we have seen that the media is going to let this go and in light of what we said in the first part of the program it's going to be more demonization i think they should meet if they can have some substance i don't like these kind of meetings without substance yeah i are afraid that until trump gets control of his own foreign policy and there is some kind of and whatever weight to this which with the russia gate conspiracy that's going on that he doesn't really have anything that he can offer russia it's not in russia's interest to have this summit. western journalists just tweeted this week the former

chinese official diplomat he met with today said every country thinks america has gone crazy we benefit by doing nothing other than appearing sane and i think that's russia's best strategy at this point just sit back now there are some cards to this there is a ticking we have a timer ticking towards the end of the intermediate range nuclear forces in the new start treaty right at the beginning of this new arms race the longer these issues go unaddressed and hopefully some new treaties are fashioned the worse right god forbid that they aren't renewed or or recreated in some fashion but i don't think that trump can actually bring anything to the table when his own government his own in. someways pickers in his own administration are still in revolt at the idea that he might bring

a some type of transactional diplomatic relation with russia and in an attempt to improve relations with the world's only other nuclear power that could you know conceivably and the united states in a nuclear over more than a good alex kristof or a in cyprus what is your take on a possible a summit meeting mark is get done a pretty good job of giving them the pros and cons right there i just think that we it would be much better to have the second i.g. report come out on this russia gate fiasco fantasy and then he would probably have a little bit more leverage because after two years there's been no evidence and i don't think there's going to be any that with that that's a cloud that needs to leave the scene before i think there would be any kind of meaningful summit what do you think alex in cyprus i definitely think the role russia pollution thing has without a doubt morphed into the microscope and the focus being on the f.b.i. and the d.o.j.

that that goes without question but saying that i think if it does take a summit with putin that then you're going to just be feeding the sharks and it's just going to shift the focus right back to to the whole trump russia collusion narrative even though there is no evidence the media will what will push that story but i also want to say one very quick thing which is i don't want to bet against trump's political instincts sometimes he does crazy stuff and it turns out in his favor you know so i mean hey be you know something we don't know you to do words right out of my mouth exactly i was going about this say that you know he's just he'll surprise us here mark i if i were him i wouldn't want to do it before the two thousand and eighteen midterm elections that you know could you know result in power change in the house if not the senate. by. i don't know may decide to roll the dice and take you know one of the things that i find really interesting as i can to all of this here is that going back to our demonisation conversation that we

were having it there is growing evidence that the more trump is demonized the more his base. can look past his blemish i got the first part of that on you go ahead. just came out ninety percent of republicans now have an approval or approve of the performance of donald trump which is the highest of any republican isn't or arguable number because when he was elected it wasn't even close to that the polarization the other side of that is only fifteen percent of democrats approve of his performance which is a likewise it's the polarization of american politics now exclusive for you to reflect upon that because you've been looking at these kinds of things that i mean he has his base are going to stand by him irrespective of his blemishes and there are many ok but the but they know he's a known quantity them ok go ahead yeah yeah because the democrats and much of the

establishment left the media they demonized his base i mean just the other day there was a pundit on morning show who said that anyone that has voted for trump should also consider themselves you know for a white supremacist so i mean they don't accomplish anything by team a nice thing not only trump but they demonize his base as well and so his base is also just saying you know what if you guys are going to call us that all day we're going to support this man we're going to stand behind there's no talk of policy you know the internet the interesting thing is gentlemen i'll go to mark next year the most interesting thing that happened during the two thousand and sixteen presidential election is not meeting with russians it wasn't leaked e-mails it was one sentence coming from hillary clinton deplorable zx this is what it is being amplified to the nth degree right now and she said it and the democrats are paying for it you have those numbers like you that's not just his base this is the mainstream of the republican party who were not necessarily happy about his

election and many searches rallying around them and i would guess no small number of independents as well and this is a result of russia gate. and far outrage fatigue cannot go across yeah you may hear well i mean. when i was asian doesn't walk nationally i mean khomeini supporters did president have before two thousand and one i want to see you get very few you know he was lethal no ok young man i left home or were just but off to the united states and they you have been demonized and him for several years he has a radical op now and these people are completely impervious is going to do it one place but they have there's nothing assad gene so the curse is the end of that exactly nobody has on course kim jong il and suddenly an international diplomatic rock star and so you see i just i was an assistant and i had if it works out that actually why shouldn't it what can do and i said it's interesting i also want to go to you probably for this segment here. how many people that take at the top of the

f.b.i. to go do for the liberals to realize something is going wrong ok i mean how many people are going on. markable it was it was horowitz this testimony was was scathing it was stunning i mean what we learned is it's not just about lisa page and peter struck there was a whole team of f.b.i. agents that were there committee they were there were so anti trump it was astonishing and all of this is now coming out in the open it's the pure definition of a boomerang they push to russia trump collusion thing and what they ended up doing is they ended up destroying the reputation of the d.o.j. and the f.b.i. i'm alex you know the thing is i watch torah which is a testimony and you know i think even he had to begrudgingly leeson his body language and is told in all that is that he was actually agreed with all of the criticism and now with the his outcome of the report it just seemed very mild but

if you get into the details he agreed and every step of the way the thing is market i find interesting is that. we're going to come across these cast of characters one more time because the i.g. still has its russia gate investigation peter struck we're not we haven't heard the last of this guy yeah i think we will all see it certainly the republicans in the congress and elsewhere really need to pursue this they need to launch legal for study that liberals do it is almost the they took the trump taking children away from their parents demon nor the i.g. report almost completely well i mean. let's look at all of these russian collusion the only person in jail right now is paul minor forthright and what do i read about poll my default in the new york times. to sign an agreement with the european union that would link that country closer to the west and what for the americans to

support ukraine smegma time but this is something that whole lot of what should people who have encouraged me because it's not a story of their. crews not actually it's not actually in jail he's in pretrial the only thing he's there for is tax avoidance for nothing you know where the rights are not of the alleged that are you doing but if there is one thing that can make you know that this poll want to force in pretrial detention anything that. you know this is the right way we're going to find out if with with flynn in with metaphor if the f.b.i. changed records ok they're what they're called three zero to say ok we didn't find out if that happened here but it's going to be a very interesting week germany is just amazing that a person is basically put in pretrial detention for doing something very broad western you know this is something the united states and the you want to do in chief well you know i think it's you know over the internet so i think it's

a little bit more complicated than that there are accusations and miniport was. tampering and i think this is ok i mean if you're a lobbyist like. amanda ford and the others in washington d.c. you don't have the cleanest hands oh yes a sleaze bike but i guess we all right gentlemen gentlemen can actually jump in here but many thanks and i guess here in moscow and in cyprus this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember.

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