yeah but you're hurting people all over the world so you grow up and go you know. i mean reza that we all have to just take responsibility for things one in this day and age when you know how trigger happy cops are you know that they're not thinking to put a child or mother's life in danger by calling the cops like that in a situation i think is wrong and you have to accept that there is a ray there is racism whether it's institutionalized and you don't realize it you've got to take responsibility for that thank you so much for both of you being here today and keeping this conversation growing up day walk ins and then a machine thank you very much both of you. as we go to break watchers don't forget to let us know what you think at the top of the covered on facebook and twitter see our poll shows at r.t. dot com coming up sean stone speaks with the author of john d. and the empire of angels out of sixteenth century scientists who study angels for the queen to watch and not.

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renowned scientism philosopher john day was famously known as an advisor to queen elizabeth and remained a controversial figure throughout is a cult leading john d. drew much of his research through mathematics and hermetic magic developing a method for contacting angels author and journalist jason wu recently tells the recently sat down and tells the story of john d. and his new book john d. and the empire of angels and oki and magic of the modern world watching the hawkesbury on johnstone recently sat down with luke to discuss his book and how a cultist active agents to establish their new world order. so jason i want to start by talking about your new book that focuses on john d. and his place basically in modern history is in a sense one of the godfathers that say at the british empire where does all cultures of fit in the birthing of the modern world so the occult magic trama ism

all of these things have been involved in humanity since humans first came down out of the trees the human race has constantly been looking to change its consciousness to alter its consciousness to optimize its consciousness if you will and so magic has been involved in not just religion but also geo politics and state craft since the beginning of history do you as a particularly interesting person to look at in this regard because he is the original double dose of that was his number in the british intelligence services that he helped found so di was the scientific astrological advisor to the queen elizabeth the first and he is just this for. nominally talented renaissance man he's like a adventurer perhaps we're talking about the person who brought knowledge of mathematics higher mathematics to the british public for the first time laid the groundwork for the scientific revolution came up with the phrase british empire

that was his and his words which he said were was were given to him by an angel when we called ritual believe that or not and he also provided all the schematics and naval technology necessary to turn england into a seafaring empire the greatest empire perhaps that the world has ever known the empire in which the sun never sets and so he's just this phenomenal character and then that's just the first fifty years of his life you then at the age of fifty you decides to dedicate the next ten years of his life to a cult rituals to contact enrolls and he believed that he learned everything there was to learn from people in the you know libraries and talking to mentors and things like that so he decided he was going to know anything more he had to get the straight knowledge from from angels now this is kind of i say this is quite comparable to if you imagine somebody like stephen hawking who's

a scientist at the height of his career who is an incredibly lauded considered perhaps the most intelligent person in the world has the heads of the ear of heads of state somebody like stephen hawking turning around and saying you know what i'm tired of physics i'm going to dedicate the next ten years of my life to smoking d.m.t. and trying to talk to aliens right kind of the same deal i was certain then the point is that we don't necessarily know the private lives of many influential people whether they're philosophers statesmen scientists i mean we could get up to present day with the strange angel about jack parsons coming out this new series and parsons is sort of in this tradition of occultists right he's and he's a major figure when it comes to the innovations that were taking place around. jet propulsion and rocketry but he's also very steeped in magical practices that's right and the magical practices the specific medical practices that john d. was involved in also in the same ones this is just fascinating to me that there are

these kind of i don't know these kind of holes in history if you will where these there are these strange individuals who are perhaps so intelligent that they can't be categorized or interested in science and the a colt's and nobody can quite figure out where they're coming from jack parsons is and is another one of them much like john d. jack parsons of course was a rocket scientist in california in the one nine hundred thirty's forty's and fifty's he was one of the fathers of modern rocketry one of the founders of nasa's jet propulsion laboratory and the person that invented solid state rocket fuel which is the rocket fuel that was responsible for getting us to the moon and also the rocket fuel that fueled the i.c.b.m. missiles during the cold war. and yet this person was also engaged very heavily in the occult and was spending his days setting off rockets and his nights doing you know partying and and doing drugs and occult rituals and living the life of

a kind of a and out there behind me and you know that's los angeles that's this kind of thing happens here but he is that he is a fascinating character and most fascinatingly for me he was immersed in what's called the nokia magic which is the magical system that di was immersed in it's the magical system that he claimed was given to him by the angels and it's fact it's just amazing to me to look at ok so here we have this guy john d. in the fifteen eighties who's engaged in. ship ferrying seafaring him creating a naval empire expanding to the new world doing this interview magic and then four hundred five hundred years later four hundred years later we even have jack parsons doing the same magic in expanding the boundaries of the human race into it and off the planet into space. that's that for me is fascinating and that's why i had to draw out that thread of history and john d.

in the empire of angels my book that trajectory but there's also in your book you get into a bit of some of the apocalyptic thoughts of people like allister crowley who basically believed in past lives that he was kelly who was an assistant to d. and basically that he was carrying on this lineage of as you say a knock in magic and also beyond that he really was steeped in all kinds of magical rituals but he basically was he believed he was pretending the end of the old age and the beginning of this new age that with the new age movement is really derived in a sense from crowley's thinking about how the the two world wars were perpetuating basically a prompting this new era that's that we're basically living in of expanding consciousness but this and liberty and freedom and this desire for liberation but what else is pretended by the thoughts of the so-called you know basically so this occultism so crudely is a brilliant and yet disturbing thinker he's one of the year you know one of the big

thinkers and occultism from it from the twentieth century and crowley's concept was what he called the new era where he said back humanity was moving out of a period of two thousand years of superstition and oppression which for him was symbolized by christianity and moving into what he called the new way on more of a on of the crown and conquering child very to put that very simply he looked back at history and said that at the beginning of history we were. tree oracle we were kind of if you think about. you know very nature based interested in shaman is. a tribal and then we moved into the agricultural age the patriarchal age where people are interested suddenly in in agriculture and building up cities and kings and then that the vision of god that people have is always of the sturm patriarchal domineering father right whether it's christ or buddha or whoever. he said that

we're now moving into a third period which he called to honor the child in which the image of god was the ever growing child and what he meant by that is that god would no longer be symbolized as a matriarchal goddess or as a patriarchal sky father but that god would be realized as the divinity of each one of us and that we would be guided by our own internal genius that's very romantic i don't i think it has happened to a big extent if you look at when looking at orson now i mean we're looking at in the sense of this entire i'd generation the me generation from the seventy's which was basically called that me generation essentially we move down to the i phone generation the instagram's the social media everyone basically being famous in some capacity for fifteen minutes of being have been able to influence and reach people across the planet to the nth degree that no one could have assumed one hundred years ago right there in his famous line is every man and woman is a star and he wrote that you know right you know for now and now we have you tube

you know you can buy or twitch you know i see nineteen year old kids on twitter you know lawyers lawyers salaries you know streaming video games and being famous for millions and millions of people and anybody can do that now precisely as i did so basically there is this sort of occult relationship of the expansion of consciousness and it began perhaps with this shamanistic approach of communicating with angels or messengers of some sort to you even going back to socrates talking about his daemon right his sort of his genius and it moves evolves into the drug culture maybe of the twentieth century nineteen to twenty centuries the expansion of mind through that a lot of that drug culture then sort of gives way to the visionary thinkers like the steve jobs and others who explored the idea the realm of computers and how you could open up new windows into the world right different screens and the internet itself is sort of this expanded expansion of consciousness right so essentially

what what is the ultimate. movement as far as the you know as far as some of the apocalyptic thinking is concerned from the perspective of people culture around from the people like croly and others what we moving towards well i think that it changes over time and people have because magic is a response to reality as it is now so what we thought in one thousand and four perhaps might not be what we think today but i would say that it's you know apocalypse in greek means an unveiling don't quote me on that but it's something to back degree yes yes and my view of the apocalypse is not that it's the end of the world but it's the removing of the veil right to the constant removing of the veil from reality and we see that with the internet i mean nobody you know all secrets are out in the open now you know all the information is out in the open and we can barely handle it. and i think that the world is constantly in a process of destruction and renewal this is the conclusion that i've come to about

it weighs very similar to the hindu idea of. you know the three faces of god creator preserver and destroyer i think that the world is constantly ending it's constantly ending for somebody out there and it's constantly being born and and renewing and the fascinating thing about that one of the things that crowley says is that. a more current a more modern conception of this would be to not get too hung up on it because you know the old conception if you look at for instance the crucifixion or the dying god as we called it and it was symbolized by the egyptian god osiris. or if you look at the narrative of any hollywood movie you know it's always about the king is born and then dies and then his report was always the dark night of the soul and and one of the things that vehicle tradition says is that this comes from the period when people didn't yet understand the sun revolved around the earth and that

story a symbol. or misconception of the solar system and know that we understand the sun does not die and is not reborn but it's always there as they were born there it's better to have a conception where it's constantly everything is constantly being renewed and being renewed and we're constantly growing and growing and growing into the future. well i've got some good news for you and some bad news for you concerning our old friend antarctica and its ever melting ice the recent study led by a study author valentino barletta of the national space institute of the technical university of denmark found that the bedrock under and arctic as ice is actually rising and giving stability to the west antarctic ice sheet however that rise and stability comes at a price scientists say that antarctica has lost over three trillion tons of ice since one thousand nine hundred two this is caused the sea level to rise eight

millimeters and it's expected to raise sea levels ten feet in the next century the bad news is that the study also found that the bedrock may actually be obscuring even more ice loss than previously thought but on the upside the earth below zero may be helping to fix the climate change damage from the ground up. we'll see what happens that's our show for you today remember everyone being good to each other out there in the capital while they keep on watching the hogs and have a great day and night everybody. whether they see should you go to one of the four so if you be in luck because. the bus or . the scream of which i mean i well me and my.

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come to sophie shevardnadze water wars are increasingly fought not by forces of governments but by private hired soldiers present day mercenaries it's not something to fear well to talk about that i'm joined by even barlow the founder of outcomes the firm that started this private soldier. who are changing. leave highly trained. by private military. but despite. the mercenary stigma. will private militaries be able to shed controversy and legitimize the mercenary business some are game. like the way we fight them. even barlow founder of acceptance of outcomes private military

company welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us now mr crow executive outcomes and other firms you were involved in have conducted a lot of highly successful operations getting more than one government out of a scrap why is it that your p.m.c. is came under political and media pressure every time they achieve progress somewhere i mean what is wrong with alcohol rum or the revolutionary united front or lord's resistance army being defeated i think it's very hard for me to sometimes i mean john that i think you have to bear in mind that it's mainly ricans that come in depreciating to mission when we get involved to resolve problems because if he is the mentor that african solutions for african problems is a very good soundbite in siri but in practice we know it's not your practice. so as you have put it when your military company executive outcomes was operating the media was highly critical often calling it illegal or claiming its soldiers eight

people you said that lost the media war but most of your operations were conducted in secret why was the media war so damaging for you. well first of all the media at that time in particular was used by the south african government and the south african intelligence services to create certain perceptions specific sions were very necessary in order to hide what they were actually doing and that was supporting and so-called rebel forces in various places in africa and of course entry into the. conflict zones had a huge impact on not only economic interest but also a very personal interest and the media really just became a useful idiot as far as they were concerned did create major problems for us yes we worked in secrecy but invariably any type of operation that anyone gets involved

in eventually does end up with the media and the media with a for used as a two in order to counter us and to. try and create a certain impression about us which was entirely false in some cases he said that the pressure on your clients to governments to didn't share or services would come from places like the pentagon or the united nations for instance why didn't those are going to say she says appreciate you solving their problems for them i've always been of the opinion that the soonest conflicts and organizations such as united nations and numerous n.g.o.s or non-government organizations no longer have active role to play. i say ending conflicts but they phoned a guy throws they play in africa less what we were doing was obviously impacting on certain very deceptive foreign interests that we have being practiced on this

continent like what. well it had to do with the mining of diamonds a tad to do with go to ted to do with oil. and all those natural resources of this the high value commodities. would currently needs commodities and africa's a great place to find it as long as there are conflicts on the go to deals can be struck with governments in order to get hold of these resources in use so why would the forces prefer to conduct business with rebels rather than rigid legitimate governments well obviously the rebels don't test to provide any taxation to the mines resources within the areas and often the rebels are really just used as a proxy force in order to destabilize a country and replace a certain government that's not compliant enough with the wishes of those outside

driving these actions so you were grossly under the radar can you imagine a situation in which governments will hire pam says openly without the fear of being compromised or well has always be an undercover type of trait. no. it's ironic that waste in pm sees and lately i've noticed russian pm seize up writing with the blessing of the governments in africa many of them are being funded by their own governments. it is a problem as soon as we get involved in trying to resolve a conflict and we find that rather hypocritical. at the end of the day if a government chooses to make use of us that is the prerogative of that government. problem how it is that we have to beg for a contract and have a state funded us with private military companies up writing on the phone meant

a sponsored by the un governments the governments treaty have a choice either by money to contract us well get the sack or distance and support they've aust for free they usually go the free boot and often they live to regret that. after some mercenary leaders strike their hand at military coups like the case of some com or austin seychelles equatorial guinea yeah can you blame governments for being an easy about working with pay and cease. i think you for government to scrunch active p.m.c. directly and that p.m.c. follows the laws of that country and that it puts itself under the jurisdiction of those on forces governments have no reason to fifty m. c. in fact if you time we have we integrated with the forces where we are training we live with him we share the same food as they do we live in the same type of

environment they live in and we meant to them in the field. in those instances we are directly responsible for the men that the government displaced and drowned a month if the p.m.c. comes in and isolates themself and one side of a military complex refuses to integrate with the troops or comes in and is obvious that what they are training is totally irrelevant i think governments do have a need to be concerned as to what's going on but we believe if the government pays us for a service that's the safest way to live it we don't take short cuts and i'm mission is usually to end a conflict this kissed us not to prolong it there's a whole heap of private military contractors working and us wars across the middle east and apart from blackwater which rebranded its way out of scandals their work goes i know it just why did you have a different experience what is it that sets your pay him say apart from those who

are working for instance in afghanistan. well first of all we are an african company we are stuffed by africans we are based in africa and therefore we are not necessarily viewed as an ideal choice for foreign governments to use we've never worked in the middle east so we cannot really comment on the fissions the or lack thereof of the pm seeds but those pm seize operating in the middle east are funded by the host governments and not by the country where they're working and it creates a bit of a di lemma and in the same state they are regarded as people that are doing their jobs and where is we are regarded as the bad guys in the story. i have to mention that we have yet to come across an african on me try and buy foreign p.m.c. or indeed foreign forces that have been well trained and prepared for their mission opinion is that most african on me is being set up to fail by the foreign pm sees

foreign armed forces or foreign advises that they make use of why is there a certain private military companies now i mean is it cheaper for a government to just put chris more people into the regular army than pave where some areas double or triple of what a soldier makes well i i think this being. in requirement for private military companies given the unstable. international arena that to be on live in i think and as instability grows it's become my cheap.