will not tolerate the threat to life of british people and others on british soil from the russian government nor will we tolerate such a flagrant breach of russia's international obligations unlike other world cup countries britain is not sending dignitaries and minority leader theresa may has all but declared war on russia but things change just look at this clip of the now us national security advisor john bolton today wrapping up talks in moscow blatter mere putin looked trump directly in the eye and wired to a bolton there saying that putin lied about his role in putting his boss trump in the white house but bolton has now alarmed nato ahead of its july meeting because in moscow he may have been arranging a trump putin summit if bolton can change his mind about putin he can surely change his mind about our next guest reviewing the book crimes against humanity trumps advisor said that he suffers from the common failing of the international left wing being either unable or unwilling to address the arguments of opponents and skeptics of his position when arguably no one could agree with that statement it comes to

his latest book rather his own man one of the world's greatest international human rights lawyers geoffrey robertson q.c. joins me now jeffrey thanks for being on going underground again before we start about the book proper the end of the book if we can just stop because in the last forty eight hours or so the bee in bricks the former leader of brazil lula has been denied freedom by the brazilian supreme court you've been defending i have indeed or is a great figure one of the greatest even he's anime's except that he pulled twenty million people out of poverty by his policies he grew up by i mean he was selling peanuts on the street to keep his family and never passed an exam apple going to run a lathe and then because of his trade union leadership he was finally made president and he was brilliant president of brazil he made a brick one of the. country's. and it was great under his

leadership on the poor were really pulled out of their poverty by. he turned out to be just as corrupt as the politicians who came before and i think that puts its faults because i've sat through his appeal through part of the case against him i think it's a complete fraud i can't go into details it concerns a beach apartment with his wife actually. which was declared and then. he was off it after he had left the presidency he was offered a better apartment which he refused but the offer was described as corrupt a judge the judge was out to get him i mean in brazil they have an awfully primitive legal system goes back to the catholic inquisition where the the judge

who does your wrist is the judge who convicts you it's like a policeman taking off his helmet putting on a we there's no jury but we have a judge maher on to defend himself against the brazilian yeah bastard was no lead by the government and when i went to the appeal there's meant to be three judges i would believe that there were four except the fourth was the prosecutor sitting up with the judges dining with them that is the kind of biased odeon cruises in cruise tory up system that brazil has and is a victim of i'm convinced that he's innocent and of this charge that he's been convicted in jail for twelve years for being offered a better apartment and turning it down you see i was surprised even for villas in rio let alone among the middle classes of brazil the middle class is maybe a year. london of the conviction that he's just as as corrupt i want to sumption is

because he led the country he was aware of some of the and the to corruption that was going on among politicians in oil company executives but a man who leads a country of two hundred million people who's flying around the world advocating policies to hope the poor or does it happen and oversight of what's happening in some national oil company which is where the directors are taking bribes all the scholarship literature in this or the other books. you literally began your voyage into life as it were as a lawyer literally would cia sponsored. where that an odd story isn't it i grew up in australia and a stranger in the sixty's was an absurd place not a black face did you see because anyone who wasn't white was bad from entering the

country they had a white australia can you imagine a country of the with no black people knew brown people there were some aborigines of course the indigenous people they were shunted off to reserves out of sight and out of mind they weren't even allowed to but that was and then of course we want to be it really well hind america if you were conscripted your name was your birth date was picked out of a barrel there was total censorship lady chatterley's lover was banned so that was the absurd country in which i grew up but i became a student leader in order to fight against racism and censorship in vietnam and. the cia in the sixty's had a wonderful scheme where they would fund liberal democrats in.

fighting these battles a funded encounter magazine with stephen spade and melbourne less capable. radio free europe which there are a lot of good and they funded these student scholarships from australia they say they figured out that i was a potential prime minister so probably it offered me probably not a good idea for a one sporting year is a future. where they made lots and stakes in the sixty's no because later on the cia backed pinochet you ended up or yes going to see justice. trying to bring pinochet to justice and bringing him to a sort of justice but this scholarship which we now know was part of the cia's large yes to liberals in the sixty's brought me to america and i i met gerald ford i met timothy leary i met blackpool i met all sorts it

was an amazing three month trip and it ended up in the place that the cia record because there were ten other student leaders from asia and the cia record that this place called sarasota in florida would stay for a month would persuade us that the american way of life is the best is a very nice place and i was billeted with the proprietors of the local light shop milton judy reuben felt and i stayed slept for a month in their son's bedroom paul reuben felt who grew up he was a couple of years younger and he became an actor paul reubens did cheech and chong movies and then created his own a mortal character pee wee herman. i'm almost tempted to tighten the book how the cia made me sleep with people you herman because there are. actions to. other

republican movements in northern ireland during this period but that's completely irrelevant when it comes to your defense of wrongly convicted republicans what interested you so much and i don't know when you were considered it wasn't a good career move a lawyer for terrorists judges would one top judge here on his way to the house of lords took a liking to me and he called me into his room and said you must be careful of the cases you take you'll end up doing bomb cases and this was the attitude of britain's senior judges that that only. larry can lawyers took bomb cases and yet these were the cases that destroyed the image of british justice when so many were found to be wrongful convictions so it was strange to me coming idealistically from a sprayer believing that one of the finest goals for

a lawyer was to defend those who were demonized and possibly wrongfully charged as the many irish people were to find that this was the wrong attitude you don't find it now this is this is we're talking about the seventy's early eighty's but that was the mindset that produced so many wrongful convictions you go on to start the first u.k. chambers outside the ins of court or before them the national council for civil liberties when you're working where you believe every five you say they did. one of the tap is who was listening to us was. listening to c.n.n. the that was another. target but she became so convince of the rightness of the cause of stopping nuclear weapons that she defected to the us and he and she told our telephones that the national council for civil liberties were tapped. the

council at the time was controlled by patricia hewitt the general secretary went on to be a cabinet minister and harriet harman who went on to become the solicitor general under both blair and brown you have faith in. all of this dirty tricks i mean you say in the book private i was regularly. going to the left it was an old trick. zinoviev letter in to the in nine hundred twenty four which in effect produced a crushing letter fake russian left through produced. the overthrew of the first labor government yes it's being it was a practice i think it has stopped i hope that it has now stopped but it was very regular in the seventy's and eighty's for the security services to demonize lefties

and you can see that when i did i was involved in spycatcher dive raid with peter wright he was the deputy director. and then of which he speaks of lefties he's attempts to turn what should be a political supposed service group into an anti left wing spying operation really outrageous you write extensively about the spy catcher fos . told the story because historically it's never been told it was a kind of the spike and conspirators this is a book this is a book by a former in my five man who which mrs thatcher took an absurd. decision. to ban all around the world in america and australia because she couldn't bad it in america it was badly published but it was a strange book was written by

a right wing fanatic who's. never. but he was he was a deputy director he believed the director of. spy. he believed the deputy director. he believed when m i five operations went wrong he believed it was because the senior figures were leaking it to the russians whereas of course they went wrong because of competence because it wasn't called because we shouldn't be worried that the government were being overthrown like our wilson's government because. they were incompetent right wing fanatics and they never got anywhere and spycatcher was interesting because when i first defended it i thought the sees in the public interest to show the level of penetration of russian spies in the cold war in our security but when i read it. i thought the case against the head of m i five is hopeless it's very thin. and

the real you public interest is that m i five had a director who was paranoid right wing stupid and. he should never have got to that position and i thought it was in the public interest that that should be revealed. after the break. so i know the. ball isn't only about what happens on the pitch. which put the final

school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the superman each a billionaire owners and spending two hundred twenty million on one player. it's an experience like nothing else on a because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game played great so one more chance with. the base this minute. welcome back i'm still here with one of the world's greatest human rights lawyers geoffrey roberts and jeffrey i want to get on to julian assange and wiki leaks in a better cause you've been a big defender of his but you recently about the jeremy thaw case the political leader here was done for ordering an assassination hugh grant was lately in a film about it there's some legacy there i lived through spears is a young barrister in the seventy's and the public have just come to appreciate this

extraordinary story of the head of the liberal party ordering the death of one of his novels by an incompetent who killed the dog rinker really threw me was and is skate but i thought it was try it i was there at the trial and the one legacy when a juror actually spoke and said how they wanted to convict to be incompetence of the prosecution and the bias of the judge was all in favor of the establishment judge gave a complete. biased summing up they felt they couldn't and the new statesman published this and it was prosecuted i defended it but we were interviewing a juror but then parliament made a law against it jurors now are sworn to secrecy and you can't reveal

their secrets a bit europe even if the jury. to decide whether guilt or innocence and tweeting yes you can you can't reveal it and how does that relate to the julian as a case where it was a superiors one of the establishment covers cover ups that happened in britain in the seventy's and it doesn't relate directly to the julian assange case other than julian assange has. exposed a great deal of secrets of the. modern establishment and has when he was in court in fact when i was acting for him he performed a service to journalists by getting a ruling that they could tweet from court which they'd never been allowed to previously you claim in the book that high up contacts in obama's white house have

told you that he is wanted by the pentagon oh there's no doubt about that i mean there's doubt in downing street we never hear that from downing that we hear it from the white house i mean donald trump to give us a trump in two thousand and sixteen said i love the leaks when it was exposing the crookery in the democratic party but now his cia director is arresting this is a priority now sanjay jeff has an outsider's view of state and does jeff sessions he's attorney general it's a priority and we know they've got a grand jury is sitting. the charges add up to forty five b. is the same as the charges were brought against chelsea manning they're planning to a new legal theory i've been the first amendment is the core a protector of journalists in america you know what they're doing they're going to

argue that it doesn't apply to foreign journalists it only applies to journalist born in america protected so they won't prosecute the new york times they're prosecuted co-publisher julian assange because he's an australian and i think this is moving up to be a major free press issue he's been in the ecuadorian embassy for six years we charges brought against him in sweden have been withdrawn he only has america to fear if he leaves the embassies today he'll be arrested held for a short time for breach of bail and in that time the us foreign secretary will order an extradition request so he could be kept in prison a real prison for years fighting that u.s. extradition request to prosecute him as

a spy and i think this is really unsatisfactorily ads out bet that the forces of freedom in the world don't actually get behind it is a difficult person his only autistic spectrum he thinks but he's had all internet communication withdrawn he now lives as a prisoner he'd probably have more freedom if he was moved to a british prison i think if the cia were really smart they would need to him anonymously of course some of their debt on mr putin they would perhaps give him some evidence about. the litvinenko poisoning if you remember there was that the killers dropped plutonium traces all over london it's clear beyond reasonable doubt that they were guilty yet. if the cia leaked some of that

information to. i believe the man whose principal do enough to publish it will exact it printed probably sort of again he will publish anything that is in the public interest and that he has done and that he would do i think even if it connected putin to a murder in london or so of poisoning which is there is strong evidence against russia he would probably shoot if it were leaked to him so i think he's a person of very considerable principle and actually very considerable courage. the kremlin of course deny that everything goes as logical and the evidence of course the flip side money courtrooms is the poor in britain try to move forward just as you say in the book you picketed the ministry of justice you endorse the

boss strike in twenty fourteen it's very likely that ever lived to have to do it again here is the state of justice here in most areas you bring. burson one of the great things britain did was in the one nine hundred forty s. after the war set up a national health service that terrific and it throughout the world it also set up a national legal service it set up legal aid so that everyone no matter how poor could have a reasonable defend if prosecuted or could if they had a civil action to save the family home or whatever could have a lawyer to represent them sadly over the last twenty years governments have just ignored the need for legal a cottage back and back and barristers who are now defending the poor will get about half the amount of money because their pay is an index linked and some young

barristers in my chambers if they have to take a train off to birmingham to defend a poor person end up paying more in expenses the neighbor a paid in legal under the legal aid scheme so i took to write i led a protest barristers in their weeks in gallons demonstrating outside the court in two thousand and fourteen where we had a particularly stupid. justice minister who christopher grayling. who bad prison is from having books just briefly on official michael x. friends of john lennon he made a promise to him before he was executed about torture. what was the case of michael jackson the pro by cliques was a black polydor in. britain in the sixty's he ended up almost death row in trinidad and i visit him there i was a young barrister and i sat with him on death row in trinidad with about thirty men need monkey cages mattress there yourselves eight foot by six foot and

they had all the rituals of the british hanging had been kept by trinidad and you couldn't. back hanging good because the constitution and the down by britain expressly preserved the death penalty but it also had a section not prohibited talked and as i sat with michael day after day screaming noise the coffin e of death row i said to him this is a place of mental torture maybe we could argue that since the constitution prohibits torture this death row is a form of torture and a prolonged stay on it amounts to torture so that the death penalty has to be commuted and i never forget he put his fingers to his lips as he.

said just listen and you could hear a pin drop all those men were pressing against the monkey cages and he said you must make that argument for them not for me they're going to kill me whatever but make it for them because you represent it so i made a promise to michael they did kill him they dragged him to the gallows the day before we were trying put on another motion to save his life and. twenty years later actually the privy council the highest court in the commonwealth rude a prolonged stay on death row amounted to torture and the sentence had to be commuted and that decision who say the lives of hundreds of men in places around the commonwealth geoffrey robinson thank you. that's it for the show the book rather his own man in court with tyrants. now in a second we'll hear music from a live us all on the day british homeless statistics are released but that's it for

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