well counsel glen gurstelle told the new york times that the blame for the unauthorized collection was on one or more unnamed telecom providers and several complex technical glitches the n.s.a. was authorized to collect phone and text records from telecoms under the two thousand and one patriot act to find terrorism suspects in two thousand and thirteen former contractor edward snowden revealed the existence of a secret data collection program targeting u.s. citizens well the twenty fifteen freedom act was supposed to rein in the agency it collected more than one hundred fifty one million records in two thousand and sixteen and five hundred thirty four million in two thousand and seventeen and while the n.s.a. is deleting records the privately owned social media giant facebook revealed it gave dozens of companies special access to user data it said would be kept private facebook said it had halted the practice in two thousand and fifteen but admitted to congress that it continued for six more months the social media giant admitted it had shared information of users friends such as name gender birth date current

city or hometown photos and page likes while some lawmakers have called for investigations into facebook the n.s.a.'s latest gaffe has or no such rebuke and the destruction of the files all but insurers an investigation cannot take place in washington dan cohen r t. hoover the n.s.a. oh man we're so sorry we just got to delete all these files that shows that we did something wildly illegal and that we're not supposed to as well just delete those and actually get to the bottom of what happened because you know it's complicated yeah cool things sounds complicated. i mean some of this is this idea that you know that the telephone company is gay is that gave us too much information and it was people who weren't you now. that i. have right now i don't know what they're looking for anymore but this idea that it was just too hard the only data. all this

it just took two months and so yeah here they are deleting hundreds of millions of e-mails in tax or technical regularities technical the funny part is it isn't even clear how how far they are into the process of deleting most when they're going to finish how long it's going to take to delete all the. com been around government for quite a long period of time you have to we've been following stories like this since the beginning of our career in the us any time you see something like this as you know the story is put out oh real technical regulars we've got to raise all this stuff pay attention to that because like this deletion started on may twenty third it involves records collected under the two thousand and fifteen foreign intelligence surveillance act by what that pfizer what this smells like to me is it just makes me wonder what are they covering up because you don't go back through any race like all this stuff unless you're worried about either a being caught for it or b. there's something in there that you don't want people to later on historians or

well or or prosecutors you know or a new administration or whatever reason to go back in and find and be like oh we've got a smoking gun that you guys wildly broke the law yes and i think that's part of what it is because there's two options for me at least when you look at the facts it's either one it really is just such a massive amount like ok the phone companies gave us a whole bunch of tangential people that have nothing to do with terrorism and we don't want this to show up but we don't want to get called out for spying on americans who have no connection to care of terrorism so we'll just you know delete it all and whatever there's also another option which is that there's. they're deleting it because they're just too lazy to redact it and they don't know how to read and they literally couldn't figure out a way to redact it but that doesn't prove that they did something wrong knowingly collected all this information that but that this idea that this structure between

the telecom companies and the government are so great there's all these checks and balances they're not and that's why the n.s.a. is stating that you know going public with it is the fall thing and i tell us oh well the n.s.a. says it's for respect for quote the accountability and take greatly transparency . i think it's pretty much cleaning up your money being too lazy to actually have transparency in my mind my mind immediately goes towards you know look you guys are shady you're the shady i'm sorry news report after news that we're this is not give me you know edward snowden's ties with all that now james clapper lying on the hill but all of this says that you guys are a shady organization at the end of the day and that you are covering your tracks that's my opinion but i would be very curious to see what goes missing in the long run with all those quote unquote cleaning up of technique or regular sperry very odd to me all right as we go to break watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics we've covered a facebook and twitter see our poll shows that are t.v.

dot com coming up it's not just independence day it's being celebrated in united states this week it's also the anniversary of the signing of the civil rights act back in one nine hundred sixty four we discussed the state to u.s. civil rights office. say to dr. donald trump will soon visit europe is a very busy agenda and it's unclear what kind of perception people get topping his i ten or every week the trade relations nato and russia never before has an american president that we so much apprehension. from the roof. and from from. from

. as we mentioned this week here in the united states we celebrate our independence day on july fourth but the first week of july also celebrates another great moment in american history and july second one nine hundred sixty four president lyndon johnson signed into the law the civil rights act a certain quote if government is to serve any purpose it is to do for others what they are unable to do for themselves this came after years of sweat blood and protest by a black american seeking to overturn hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination both legally and socially following the end of the civil war and slavery the historic act representing the biggest changes to civil rights laws in the united states since the post civil war reconstruction era as politico recaps the agd

outlawed racial discrimination in employment education and housing barbara szell segregation and all state sponsored public places such as schools buses parks and swimming pools and outlawed discrimination based on race color religion or national origin in hotels motels restaurants theaters and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce exempting only private clubs without defining the term private but now fifty four years later the fight for civil rights still marches and joining us today to discuss this ongoing fight for equality as the country celebrates its independence from oppression its author educator and speaker baltimore's own d. walk thank you do you know it was a pleasure to have you on the signing of the civil rights back in sixty four i think everyone can agree is a pretty watershed moment in contemporary us history but it also happened fifty years ago and i just want to start by looking at the victory. you know for

blacks of the sins of the united states you know how important was the least that victory coming into. it's so it's scary when you look at it through like a historical lands because you have this landmark legislation and you fight for it and people lost their lives for they you dream about quality looks like you can feel like but then you get the end result in this to same thing there's new laws there's new codes there's different ways to be able to enforce or or have the same with christian or large groups of people in this country so it's like. you know it's bittersweet because you'd like to see your hard work you know pay off but in the end result is like. yeah it's very strange when reading this idea that it stopped all of this discrimination and yet in the last week or two weeks we have seen you know black americans because all call that the place called on them for being in swimming pools for being at a park for being in places selling women

a selling lemonade the people being separated from their children right you know back to this thing of being like i thought we have this discussion a very long time ago so you know while legally the civil rights act and the. legal discrimination and the discrimination against black citizens we're still seeing having to fight for the exact same thing all over again so one of the biggest civil rights issues i think we have facing the u.s. today. if you're black and poor. or poor. you know or just poor. he's going to get a fair shake in america and that's just what it is a country based on capitalism you have to pay to play certain information that we have in there we put out on this television show some of the people who need it who

could benefit the most don't have access to it because you don't have television. or you know any means of getting the information and it's just not there but we are fighting a war because there's so many people who are able to just benefit in this country from so many different things because they have access in a lot of people don't and again just to circle back on the idea of this legislation and celebrate you know. everything that you think we will celebrate i me the thirteen fourteen fifteen for many free slaves in black people were able to get citizenship and then universal manhood suffrage black women were supposed to be able to vote and look how long it was for black people to be able to vote and i long it took for women to be able to vote and look at the years of pain and struggle that goes behind laws that are already in the books was just goes to show we have to rethink how we fight. the struggle is like what women

women's equal rights almost the same thing that johnson signed in sixty four they tried to change the constitution of the one nine hundred eighty unveiled. itself still they're like oh no no no no and that brings up this interesting thing of like you know it all ask you both even in your where does the passing of laws or legislation fall short in the fight for equality because it's a kind of over and over going to i think the theme that we're talking about is you can pass the law but that doesn't mean that society necessarily is going to change voting rights for black men is a really good example because that was one of the things that came up during women's suffrage why are we not doing this together or you know this but there was this idea that you know well if we can prove that this black man fought on our side then it's easier and it's it with baby steps it's always like you way you way but it sort of proves the point that white men are put on a certain pedestal and if you're a one man or a you're

a black that we're literally have to fight just to be treated the same. especially rich. this isn't here also to this table one hundred years ago we would not obviously none of us in a setting up and at it and it's crazy because i don't want to be that person to frown upon the people who put in all of their heart we're going to feel like they should be valued and we should celebrate them but at the end of the day not to play monday morning quarterback but we have to look at the results because if we don't start looking at the results of these things we will never ever ever see anything change it's no way i could proudly wave a flag around tomorrow and say happy fourth when i know that there's thousands of people in prison who should be in their thousands of black people. for nonviolent crimes serving the time you know whereas if their skin was white they would be home right now enjoying time with their families there's no way i can celebrate that will be a part of that and i think. again we acknowledge you know when we system has

fallen short because national politics and local politics are two different things so yeah you can have this big federal bill but if the sheriff is the one running the voting booth then you grandmother are not going to vote so you know so we got here we got to rethink how we how we do things in a proper pressure on every level. you know changing society is not something like a group changing society doesn't happen just because someone writes a bill it's a constant struggle it's a constant effort to keep society moving in the direction you want to move it seems like there's like a there's we've sort of lost the thread of the work keeps going when you have to enforce the things that happened because look what they do years later what are they going to do when they come up with a million roles they put a bunch of black men in prison and then hey guess what they can't vote anyway you want to you but if you want to connect the dots in all of this right the of we always find a way to come out so like if you have

a person and the spirit is spearheading this movement to fight whatever fifty years ago you know a hundred years ago. if you were a person what means you are still going to be able to have quality of life you are still going to be able to do things like vote you are still going to be able to find a way to slip through the cracks and everybody else at the bottom fighting with each other a lot of what i want what i won't consent sits back in chuckles everyone at the bottom is fighting with each other and nothing changes it in the people who are lucky enough to experience social mobility in a country that promotes what it really happens once they get their little this seat at the table they don't flip it over they get comfortable to keep their feet up and just relax i think that's what we do that it's you know this idea that you know we did all this work we fought for independence here and civil war and everything else but did we. really do the work that needed to happen after at all and i think it's disrespectful at the end of the day that when you look back at history like it was saying and we're saying is that when you see all these people who did lose their

lives who did fight tooth and nail spent their lives fighting for equality spent their lives to free you know slaves all of those things you know the slaves and so we owe it to them in today's world to carry on that torch you know we owe it to that history to say you know we're going to keep fighting it's not just the law got passed in sixty four and we've got to change the way we fight i think that's the most important thing that i would like people to take away is like you know yes you should vote yes you should elect corrupt people out of office you should do at least things but at the same time you have to understand that the people who are controlling some of the systems on a local level they've got to go to just because the laws passed doesn't mean it's going to make it to you especially if you don't have the means to do anything about it that's what it really comes down to it seems like a lot of these discussions always get back to the fight between you know the super wealthy and the rest of us. on this i think believing that politicians are the answer no matter who you vote in they you know there's a million things that can happen between that person going i want to do this to

their i think everyone who voted for obama. you know want to guantanamo close you're sitting there going. right exactly going to make things and the truth is like because it's not a magic wand just because you get voted into office we have to do it we have to stop letting that happen and we're the ones i have to speak up and we have people like you and i who have the privilege of being able to speak loudly and do that we have to that is what i think is missing as we get comfy we get comfy. where you are saying when my father was governor for four years minnesota he said the biggest bargaining chip you had was the will of the people behind him but once anybody felt like the will of the people was no longer like out in the streets and right in the right in the letters and doing all that then the politician loses that leverage that they have to change to make change once elected. and is nothing you can pretty much nothing you can do about it we just the cycle continues and we end

up going down the same path over and over again until people are educated to information we're talking about gets out there all people got always thank you for coming on and always a pleasure good conversation as always thank you so much for coming on the walk and author educated educator and speaker. the max planck institute for astronomy in germany was using the spectral polar it polar metric high contrast exoplanet research instrument known as fear on the european space agency's very large telescope yes that's the same and fear gave the world of very large first the birth of a planet and it got a picture of that little planet uses a very large telescope has previously track stars around a black hole the afterglow of a gamma ray burst and carbon monoxide molecules in a galaxy almost eleven billion light years away and the sir instrument is no slouch either designed for exoplanet research the instrument operates in visible and near

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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle donald trump will soon visit europe has a very busy agenda and it's unclear what kind of reception he will get topping his itinerary will be trade relations nato and russia never before has an american president been expected with so much apprehension the trump juggernaut continues. cross talking a strange day i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london he's the editor

of politics first magazine in oxford we have had c. he is a senior policy consultant at british american security. mation council and in our slow we have glenn these and he is a visiting scholar at the higher school of economics all right gentlemen crossed mark rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate our marcus let me go to you first in london with the advent of donald trump and i'm not even saying the administration of donald trump but donald trump is his vision of america first compatible with the mission that we were told by the think tanks and the four thousand nato bureaucrats is it compare the two compatible nato's mission and donald trump go ahead marcus. yes i do believe that and i believe that one and a half years into donald trump's presidency he has clearly in categorically demonstrated that he's like his predecessors i said on cross talk to in his

election campaign in two thousand and sixteen and afterwards that there would be no changes to american foreign policy under trump presidency and that there would be no changes to nato a trump presidency i think a lot of people would live in cloud cuckoo land or there were ideological reasons for why people really for mr trump was going to try and change american foreign policy and of course he hasn't done anything like that under him he has increased nato presence on the western borders of the russian federation and of course he has now directly involved america in syria twice he has attacked syria with cruise missiles on the first occasion in april two thousand and seventeen that cruise missile attack resulted in the deaths of twenty syrian soldiers and nato under mr trump is strong and it's got inch stronger last year mr

trump ago. rates to the accessions to nato of months and some people will often these people don't understand the significance of that now that montenegro is in nato in nato that means nato it's now this so moscow of the h. react to c. and soon macedonia will apply and then ukraine will apply the trump of the markets let me go let me go to ted in oxford but there'd having what you just said there are a lot of other people are saying that he wants to tweak the nato alliance not dismantle it i mean you know angela merkel for example the relationship that trump has with angela merkel not very good we know that there is a he wants a review of the number of american troops that are in germany and finding it out what you know it's a seventy plus years after the end of the second world war there is what thirty

five thousand troops there are you saying the same thing about south south korea and we have you know it's not about nato it's also about trade relations and it seems to me that i can i guess i'm kind of answer my own question is that i don't think america first is compatible with the traditional american foreign policy at least the pillars of it not to say that those pillars are going to disappear go ahead your take on it ted in oxford thank you very much peter i think we have to look at the multiplicity of trump policies across the board and not just try and narrowly focused on what we usually call foreign policy because i think that's a huge mistake i would argue in the first place that i tend to agree with you that trump is a subversive element when it comes to the traditional nato alliance because he's questioning its integrity and its existence in a backhanded manner but more importantly by focusing on trade and by starting what some people regarded as the tariff war but i don't personally he's challenging the

w t o in the fundamentals of international political anneka. discourse since the end of world war two and then beyond that he's also very much against open borders he's very much interested in limiting migration and refugee movements into the us and i think he's sending a signal to europeans that that kind of politician can be very popular as we've already discovered in italy and other places that's a good point and let's go to also glenn trump's real mantra when it comes to nato he's not interested in tanks and planes and what not he's interested in money ok and he has not let this go he keeps pounding away at it i mean you know he said a few news cycles ago is that the e.u. is just as bad as china ok i mean he wants people to pay their way i mean if you have the numbers right here germany only pays one point one percent of its g.d.p. of three point eight trillion dollars that's a year ok supposed to pay two percent and if they tow is all about facing off

russia well germany's g.d.p. is three times russia's ok so i mean we'll get to the russian angle soon but basically he wants everybody to pay their bills and that's how he's being the disrupter go ahead. you know i don't agree with that assessment because he is quite militaristic. to a certain extent more aggressive than obama in both ukraine in syria however i think he is still contributes to a crisis in the line simply because he expresses these extreme hostility towards paying for the security of our allies. but more importantly the trombetta is often questioned and they do and so. the cold war has been over for some time. i mean. it's coming from terrorism and china so i actually see trump's lack of commitment to this cold war security architecture being his strength could make him more

prepared to strike a deal as a multiple world emerges and this i think the. undermines nato however i don't think it comes to russia i think it's more. proceed with trade the w t o. end of the day it's all about money and i guess his main concern is that this is how empires when will this not heard from the court to have heard the court begins to crumble ok well you know markets i think i actually think this is part of trial strategy because this is the achilles heels of the nato alliance they don't want to pay their way they want the americans to do it and trump is saying no more of that and we have the prospect and i think it's actually kind of genius in a way you know he's going to meet with putin afterwards and helsinki and everyone is traveling in their boots he might make a deal we might make a deal what deal would that be i mean i find watching what western mainstream to be this hysterical ok because usually don't know what they're talking about but he's

using this as making a deal but he's meeting with the nato allies first and i can do think my own reading of this is so you saying what are you going to offer me nato i already told you what i'm interested in oh and by by the way i'm going to be meeting vlad later i think it kind of prompts the europeans to get their act together and how to deal with donald trump because obviously if you read the mainstream press there's a lot of in typically towards the american president go ahead mark. well i agree in that donald trump is first and foremost a businessman i believe that he ran for president to further his own personal business interests and to expand his business empire let's not forget for many decades he has had long personal ties to both saudi arabia and israel in the first six months of his presidency he signed defense contracts of saudi arabia total in hundreds of billions of dollars now that demonstrates he's not going to change

american foreign policy but he is going to enhance it if it benefits him now in regards to nato what donald trump has raised the issue about how much nato member states are contributing to the defense budget each year yes but also the british prime minister has done that and other leaders within nato have done that as well but that does not mean he doesn't believe in the objectives of nato or the remit of the nato when in the last year and a half as i said earlier nato has increased its presence on russia's western borders who gave permission so that it wasn't a reserve money it wasn't stoltenberg nato is america donald trump put his signature on paper to consent to a nato build up an increased nato buildup on russia's western borders we mustn't be under an illusion about donald trump you know ok but i think i'm going to go to ted here but i think you can make the our.