now that demonstrates he's not going to change american foreign policy but he's going to enhance it if it benefits him now in regards to nato what donald trump has raised the issue about how much nato member states are contributing to the defense budget each year yes but also the british prime minister has done that and other leaders within nato have done that as well but that does not mean he doesn't believe in the objectives of nato or the remit so for nato when in the last year and a half as i said earlier nato has increased its presence on russia's western borders who gave permission so that it wasn't a reserve money it wasn't stoltenberg nato is america donald trump put his signature on paper to consent to a nato buildup and increased nato buildup on russia's western borders we mustn't be under an illusion about donald trump you know ok but i think that we got a ten here but i think you can make the argument that that is essentially being

forced upon the trumpet ministration because of the laughable hysterical you lucian called russia i guess but i can't really have any of our administration is going to give you a million i'll get an argument out of me on that but i tend to think there are extraneous things going on here ted i think also what trump is doing when it comes to budgets is it well if russia is such a threat to you well then why don't you pay up and mean you know you know if you're afraid why don't you on what you pay more i mean then if you're not afraid then you know then you have to rethink about the whole nature of nato ok i think we all know all our viewers know that trump ran a campaign with better it having better relations with russia he's he's folk billing his his campaign promise ok where it will go is anyone's guess go ahead. thank you. the business about building up the presence on russia's border that's a nato process. that requires consensus among all the allies and that's been in

play for a lot longer than donald trump's presidency that's the culmination of plans that started about ten or twelve years ago quite frankly even before the incidents in georgia and ukraine and now that has come to fruition but it didn't cost america anything so it's a concession that president trump could easily make because it's not adding to his bottom line very much at all only really fractionally on the margins but here's the thing he's log rolling he's making a concession on that point but he's going to expect logs to be rolled in his direction in turn i think you're exactly right i think he's pushing the two percent of g.d.p. defense spending by everyone across the board in nato on a very serious basis because if countries in nato don't agree to it it's going to add to the republican vote in twenty eighteen and it's going to add to the republican vote in two thousand and twenty when president is up for re-election ok well that that that's very interesting because it gives this opportunity i like

that logs rolling in his direction and we'll discuss what he could expect for that here gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on a strange ally state with art.

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politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president interim or somehow want to listen. to the right to be prosperous like look for free in the morning can people get. interested always in the waters and look out. their city. welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter you were discussing a strange dallas. ok let's go back to glenn in oslo i think you know if we know that this summit with trump and putin is going to be their first one on one it is

a summit in the traditional sense and we have already a precedent what kind of. summits that trump likes when that is singapore. and trump went there he went there with big ideas he left with big ideas i think his approach to the press after the meeting with kim was less than sterling i thought it was a bit short in explaining details because there are not a lot of details but there is a feeling among some people that trump is going to want to make a big all encompassing deal ukraine. crimea. he's a showman and he likes the spotlight here what are the chances in your mind that he will at least try to do that go ahead glenn. well i think it's a good possibility. towards the need to get on with russia you know this has created some fear within nato and in order to do this might be trying to put

together a great deal again on one hand he seems prepared to put a lot of pressure. in the ukraine and in syria on the other hand he's also more capable of offering something in return if he does. seems quite happy about breaking with his nato allies if you were to come to this summit for example over ukraine or crimea in exchange for syria i don't think anyone would really be surprised if you mean. such a proposal so. and again as you correctly pointed out i think he he really wants to bring up the bigotry home and of course making peace with russia would be a great price now on top of it hasn't really made it any secrets that he sees china as being the main rival and. you know in fairness trumps position is actually quite reasonable because the us spend

a fortune on its military deployments in your world what does it achieve in its road and which is russia or china which is the main challenger or the u.s. so i think. trump will probably try to do is to scale back the mean look at where he would be willing to negotiate scaling back on the military mirror and divert his money back home and instead become just like russia china iran to balance each other course it's very dangerous to make predictions about these models exactly marcus let me give you go to you because glenn said you know make peace with russia we're not at war folks ok i mean it no matter what the media says there isn't a real war yet at least here marcus i i saw you not disagreeing and you know and i know where your comment i absolutely know where you're coming from because it seems to me again if i can go back to the singapore precedent where is the detail ok there bureaucracy is not behind him his own people are not really behind him i

don't see that happening and that's why i think it's kind of interesting this house thinking thing might be a repeat of that it might it might look great it might be optics that handshake some back slapping taking dandruff off someone but at the same time i don't think that there's can be one. magic wand that's going to take care of all these problems because there are too many bureaucracies part of the military industrial complex and the deep state that have so many vested interests in all the conflicts that we just mentioned it's not going to be easy not by a long shot go ahead mark. look peter you know i don't like any american president obama bush bill clinton if hillary would run. but i will always support communication and i support this meeting between trump and putin like i supported the meeting between trump and kim jong un even if they disagree or ninety nine percent at least it might be one percent where they agree

on and that is good for world peace and world stability but russia has these key demands firstly that the american missile defense system in western europe is dismantled that america withdraws nato from russia's western borders and that america puts into right in that nato will not last last staff to ukraine or more toe for or georgia now donald trump indeed no american president is ever go into consent to that to offer very quick points nato only x. if america says so if the rest of nato wanted to do something but washington was against it we're nato. it wouldn't happen but also as well i know that when you become president the machines of the american government they come ground you sure they do but if we're going to say that deep state is responsible for what's happening now with trump then we have to apply that to

a bomber in his election county sheriff who found what did he say i want to reset relations with russia i don't want any more wars of intervention and see what i what happened done to reform all american presidents are the same it's the system the system is entrenched and the system is reprehensible in my humble opinion yes. ok you want to jump in there glenn that's the point of the program go ahead i just want to make one once more common regarding what was previously said before the break in terms of trampling on the serving i don't know. very well. in my book is very much defines our economic nationalism and i would point out we don't as russia doesn't necessarily need to deal with this is a mouse been complaining publicly since the late one nine hundred seventy s. about the us drone and in order to pay for this security because i was getting that for forty years. i want to pay the u.s. i think. i think this is

a lack of commitment essential to make. it more possible rather than having that ability to actually work within this structures ok it's a very good point you know ted you know is it occurred to me it occurred to me earlier today is that i think that trump has this like this envelope in his pocket and he has a list of all of his campaign promises and he's he's going to he's checking those boxes ok because he's focused on that he doesn't have a grand strategy for anything actually he he's looking at the midterm elections and he's looking at his reelection in two thousand and twenty and he's looking at his nobel peace prize he's looking at all of these things here if it and that's why you know it in in canada if he annoys the others in the g seven who cares because it's not on his envelope list ok he doesn't care all right and he's going to go meet with a lot of near putin well you know he's already been accused to being a russian spy and and working with the kremlin

a lot i mean it's already baked in ok i mean it's old it's boring for most of the public so i think you know he's a get better relations with the other chap i met putin i did i committed myself i kept my promise i actually think he thinks that way go ahead. well as someone who was a member of the american foreign service for twenty six years by the way i was in the same training class is the former ambassador james melville i've seen a lot of the deep state in action and i partially agree that the deep state gets its hooks in every american president but i partially disagree and i'll tell you why i watched barack obama go to prague and say he wants to think about a world without nuclear weapons and then i saw the department of defense in the department of energy close in on him even behind his back with our own allies at nato even when he was going around saying we're going to have a nuclear free world and we're going to make some great fantastic nuclear free deals and i'm gonna leave my footprints in the hands of you know in the sands of

history is the great disarm or didn't happen because his own people from d.o.d. and dio we were going around nato to the capitals of countries that were interested in maintaining the nuclear status quo and saying don't budge an inch we've got this obama will be gone sooner or later don't give in on any concessions on nuclear policy and kay and that's exactly what happened now why i disagree about donald trump is that he's not a politician he's a businessman he didn't write a book called the art of the status quo he wrote a book called the art of the deal and he's in the process of making deals in a lot of different ways now one of the deals he's making right now is with the deep state because he's currently undermining in undoing the department of justice and the f.b.i. and their attacks on his presidency he's going to win that fight miller has nothing on him in russia collusion because there was no rush of collusion and meanwhile trump is peeling off f.b.i. agents one by one who've all been foolish enough to leak email trails saying where they were partisan political actors for the previous administration so watch that

space i think donald trump is able unlike uniquely unlike other american presidents to peel himself free of the worst parts of the deep state not because weigh in on that because that would be i guess world historic i mean at least in the modern american presidents. i mean reflecting about what ted just said there were what about remember ronald reagan and a world without nuclear weapons i mean it's not the first time it's been said to me and reagan was quite serious about that i read member once about it you know and everybody around him like oh no no no you don't want to go that far you're ok i mean it's really interesting what ted said because you know it is kind of. the cards are stacked here but i want to go back to what i said earlier i just don't think that trump does have a vision it is he wants a cheaper ones everybody pay their way because he thinks that's more fair but i don't think there's any kind of you know i want to really rejig the entire architecture of the western security world i don't think he has those thoughts ok in between cheeseburgers ok he's is going to say he's going to go back he's going

to go back to fargo to a rally and so i made him pay up and everyone's going to cheer and you know what not a bad idea go ahead mark was. yes i mean you know in regards to bomb a i was bitterly critical of his presidency but i would say this at least when he left the white house the saudis and the israelis will celebrate another that's a compliment in itself we can't say the same about donald trump because when donald trump became president the saudis and the israelis had their man in the white house and of course what has he done he has worked very closely alongside the state so i prefer the the traditional expression the american establishment in should strengthen in its strength and in america's relationship with israel and saudi arabia as i said in april two thousand and seven saying something like six hundred billion dollar. contract he signed with saudi arabia that is absolutely and the

incredible because if people don't get me and the people of yemen around the short end of the stick of that to ok a world at a time when the people when your man they haven't noticed a difference have played with donald trump becomes president glenn let me go to you we're almost out of time here but there i think i'm going to backtrack a little bit i think does have one thing he wants to deal with in his presidency and it's iran's we don't have time to talk about it but for the very reasons that mark just said go ahead we have thirty seconds glenn go ahead. well it becomes a very different situation than russia of course but. it's quite possible that when it goes to russia you might want a deal on iran but again keep in mind on the road russia burned itself on this with the obama administration by extension accepting the americans. for their missile defense system in return for sanctions on iran but we saw what happened in the return with missile defense and some nato asses so i don't think that the trouble

is going to be able to get russian cooperation against iran again. on that note and we started with nato we ended up with with with the around that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in london oxford and in oslo and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember rolls. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sport that's less i'm showbusiness i'll see that. seemed wrong. just don't call. me. yet to stamp out disdain and to. engage me because betrayal.

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elections. in january two thousand and eleven victoriana covert repealed the hero title of bond era. almost four years into his presidency though another revolution shook ukraine unfortunately this one was anything but peaceful. night. mr yanukovych which i'm an american i'm an outsider to the situation and it's very complicated but i would like as a as a filmmaker just to jump into the action and go to those moments in november two thousand and thirteen you're president of the ukraine you've been president for three years at this point the country is in bad economic shape very bad you have a trade agreement with russia and now you are seeking to make

a better agreement with the e.u. with the european union and you are negotiating can you bring me to that moment and what you're thinking just sitting at the bill which institutionally p.t.o. for the media. would be pleased to to put in knots them but them will not. drop out of kyoto piers is through a shit too early in numbers no hold of a nuclear front. not positively and you would got them way villepin how would it. numb but it lol knew pretty human we had then asked what he wanted to share in the snatch it in there but not yet. very full blown the silliness clears you see we're now in that on the sea chilly in the house are almost literally across the board of the cylinder but also the whole bit but he isn't here when they are the only partially. through here very aren't there. but

also. i think the customer is not old nor will you know when the when they are but here deities to try to not some of us thought well less that this year. but i see it now because of a storm we had to with so i mean i bought it but if you want to use it which national interests it there will be done with nickles raney erase you. so there's no risk of you doing the economy socialist saloon you can only afford when you can get a shrink or india or a bullish committed no since you don't operate i'm not going to separate them which i'm almost just going to. take in one of them. was a paid user seems to me that what i mean the national t.v. tourists mistake it to go where. you got them when that tradition started but once we. put that all in the you would open.

economy i scored though not see but year europa convinced that thing you put it pretty close to you the skill in play at them. like a shelter. is going to look and usually used to carry a nationalist that was to be good to you who brought him to the. door when you don't need to but up lecture. you would open a new eventually to spear home. but the more. zealot but was. violent clashes erupted in the ukrainian capital kiev fast malls and one hundred thousand people protested against a government decision to delay an association deal with the e.u. . the tele you are a minister of interior affairs for the ukraine during this period when you were chief of police essentially of the country can you tell me your version of what

happened from november protests through february protests in middle school or go in for months of. muscle with. all duties to ship it lets them go the. fuck them will mean you still. putting it. right but decide. so you want to be as consumers are semi azza new leader of the opposition party fatherland block leader of the opposition nationalist far right political parties vitali klitschko leader of the opposition party. both e.u. and ukrainian officials said on thursday the suspension of talks on closer ties could be revived after the two day meeting but officials said the deal was off the table for now. thank you for a. pro

e.u. protests on the streets of kiev and to their second day the crowd of around a thousand protesters were joined by the leader of the opposition the rennie well boxing champion vitaly klitschko he called on the demonstrators to maintain pressure on the government after it decided not to sign a major trade deal with the e.u. you go back to kiev the next day after the meeting with merkel. and protests are up at my right can you take me through that period so someone let's. find the money at the worst with the mute in the uk see. more snow deal or yak at the mobile have.

to go to. if you want to let me update you my position which of those clothes we took appropriate for you will move on your little group. up just in the coming few months what you see is the bizarre i don't like the interest of the release they were able to shift my ground. robert perry is a longtime investigative journalist based in washington d.c. best known for his major disclosures about the iran contra scandal in the one nine hundred eighty s. he is the founder of consortium news where he has reported extensively on the crisis in ukraine and the forces behind the unrest and in geo is a non-governmental organization how many n.g.o.s are quite legitimate they represent good causes that maybe they help people in a country the door deal with water problems or deal with various kinds of social problems but there are some n.g.o.s that have become funded by government entities and serve more of the purpose of that government rather than trying to serve the

people that they are sensibly working for one thing we saw in the one nine hundred eighty s. but that point the central intelligence agency had been largely discredited because of the scandals that had been exposed in the one nine hundred seventy s. but that being years the cia has secretly financed its overseas activities of the national students association but then there came to light a fantastic web of cia penetration so when the reagan administration came in there was this concept that instead of having the cia which traditionally would go into these different target countries funding. there are media funding n.g.o.s funding different political operations that was essentially farmed out to a new organization called the national endowment for democracy which was created in one thousand nine hundred three and it would do pretty much what the agency used to do it would go into one of these countries and it would support various political groups train activists deal with journalists business groups and try to advance

u.s. foreign policy interests sometimes against the interests of the host government the target government and beyond that they receive financial and other logistical help from the national endowment for democracy and other u.s. agencies that help them training activists working with journalists to get their side presented more favorably they work on things like how do you get traction how do you get things to go viral how do you then use that to generate support for your cause and support was generally was the funny stuff and i had a founder of one of ukraine's new media outlets. t.v. knew very well how to make something go viral. it was his notorious facebook post on november twenty first two thousand and thirteen that brought the first crowds to my down yes on the soccer stick which are the chance you get to put the most.