anyone's guess go ahead ted. thank you. the business about building up the presence on russia's border that's a nato process that requires consensus among all the allies and that's been in play for a lot longer than donald trump's presidency that's the culmination of plans that started about ten or twelve years ago quite frankly even before the incidents in georgia and ukraine and now that has come to fruition but it didn't cost america anything so it's a concession that president trump could easily make because it's not adding to his bottom line very much at all only really fractionally on the margins but here's the thing he's log rolling he's making a concession on that point but he's going to expect logs to be rolled in his direction in turn i think you're exactly right i think he's pushing the two percent of g.d.p. defense spending by everyone across the board in nato on a very serious basis because if countries in nato don't agree to it it's going to add to the republican vote in twenty eighteen and it's going to add to the republican vote in two thousand and twenty when president is up for reelection ok

well that that that's very interesting because it gives this opportunity i like that logs rolling in his direction and we'll discuss what he could expect for that here gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on a strange ally state with our team. right there was that started five times. this year has

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welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter you were discussing a strange da lies. ok let's go to back to glenn in oslo i think you know if we know that this summit with trump and putin is going to be their first one on one it is a summit in a traditional sense and we have already a precedent what kind of. summits that trump likes when that is singapore. and trump went there he went there with big ideas he left with big ideas i think

his approach to the press after the meeting with kim was less than sterling i thought he was a bit short in explaining details because there are not a lot of details but there is a feeling among some people that trump is going to want to make a big all encompassing deal ukraine. syria crimea. he's a showman and he likes the spotlight here what are the chances in your mind that he will at least try to do that go ahead glenn. well i think it's a good possibility. towards the need to get on with russia you know this has some fear within nato and in order to do this he might be trying to put together a great deal but again i want to hand he seems prepared to put a lot of prayer. in ukraine and in syria on the other hand he's also. more

capable of offering something in return i see doesn't. seem quite happy about breaking with these nato allies and if you would come to this summit for example over ukraine or crimea in exchange for syria i don't think anyone would really be surprised if you mean such a proposal so. and again as you correctly pointed out i think he he really wants to bring up the big three home and of course making peace with russia would be a great price on top of it hasn't really made any secrets that he sees china as being the main rival and. you know fareed as trying to position is actually quite reasonable because the u.s. spent a fortune on its military deployments and you're well what does it achieve in its roster and which is russia to china which is the main challenger or the u.s. so i think. well will probably try to do is to scale back the mean look at

what he would be willing to negotiate scaling back on the military mirror and divert his money back home and instead become just like russia china iran to balance each other. it's very dangerous to make predictions about this model so exactly marcus let me give you go to you because glenn said you know make peace with russia we're not at war folks ok i mean it no matter what the media says there isn't a real war yet at least here mark is what i saw you not disagreeing and you know and i know where you're coming from i absolutely know where you're coming from because it seems to me again if i can go back to the singapore precedent where is the detail ok there. is not behind him his own people are not really behind him i don't see that happening and that's why i think it's kind of interesting this house thinking thing might be a repeat of that in mind it might look great it might be optics that handshake some back slapping taking dandruff off someone. but at the same time i don't think that

there is can be one who are magic wand that's going to take care of all these problems because they're too many bureaucracies part of the military industrial complex and the deep state that have so many vested interests in all the conflicts that we just mentioned it's not going to be easy not by a long shot go ahead marcus. look peter you know i don't like any american president bit of barmer bush bill clinton if hillary would run. but i will always support communication and i support this meeting between trump and putin like i supported the meeting between trump and kim jong un even if they disagree or ninety nine percent at least it might be one percent where they agree on and that is good for world peace and world stability but russia has these key demands firstly that the american missile defense system in rice in europe is dismantled that america withdraws nato from russia's western borders and that

america puts into right in that nato will not last lost staff to ukraine or more toe for or georgia now donald trump indeed no american president is ever go into consent to that to offer very quick points nato only x. if america says so if the rest of nato want to do something but washington was against it so. it wouldn't happen but also as well i know that when you become president the machines of the american government they come around you sure they do but if we're going to say that deep state is responsible for what's happening now with trump then we have to apply that to a bomber in his election county sheriff what did he say i want to reset with relations with russia i don't want any more wars of intervention and see what i what happened done to reform all american presidents so this. it's the system the

system is entrenched and the system is reprehensible in my humble opinion yes. ok you want to jump in there glenn that's the point of the program go ahead i just want to make one once more coming to go to what was previously said before the break in terms of trumping on this serving i don't necessarily agree with this. in my book is very much defines an economic nationalist and i would point out we don't as russia doesn't necessarily need to deal with this is a mouse can complain publicly since the late one nine hundred seventy s. about the u.s. drone in order to pay for this security because i was getting that for forty years he's been arguing that i want to pay the u.s. i think. i think this is a lack of commitment essential to make. it more possible rather than having that ability to actually work within all this structures ok it's a very good point you know ted you know if it occurred to me it occurred to me

earlier today is that i think that trump has this like this envelope in his pocket and he has a list of all of his campaign promises and he's he's going to he's checking those boxes ok because he's focused on that he doesn't have a grand strategy for anything actually he he's looking at the midterm elections and he's looking at his reelection in two thousand and twenty and he's looking at his nobel peace prize he's looking at all of these things here if it and that's why you know it in in canada if he annoys the others in the g seven who cares because it's not on his envelope list ok he doesn't care all right and he's going to go meet with a lot of near putin well you know he's already been accused to being a russian spy and and working with the kremlin a lot i mean it's already baked in ok i mean it's old it's boring for most of the public so i think you know he's a get better relations with the other chap i met putin i did i committed myself i kept my promise i actually think he thinks that way go ahead. well as someone who

was a member of the american foreign service for twenty six years by the way i was in the same training class is the former ambassador james melville i've seen a lot of the deep state in action and i partially agree that the deep state gets its hooks in every american president but i partially disagree and i'll tell you why i watched barack obama go to prague and say he wants to think about a world without nuclear weapons and then i saw the department of defense and the department of energy close in on him even behind his back with our own allies at nato even when he was going around saying we're going to have a nuclear free world and we're going to make some great fantastic nuclear free deals and i'm gonna leave my footprints in the hands of you know in the sands of history is the great disarm or didn't happen because his own people from d.o.d. and dio we were going around nato to the capitals of countries that were interested in maintaining the nuclear status quo and saying don't budge an inch we've got this

obama will be gone sooner or later don't give in on any concessions on nuclear policy and kay and that's exactly what happened now why i disagree about donald trump is that he's not a politician he's a businessman he didn't write a book called the art of the status quo he wrote a book called the art of the deal and he's in the process of making deals in a lot of different ways now one of the deals he's making right now is with the deep state because he's currently undermining and doing the department of justice and the f.b.i. and their attacks on his presidency he's going to win that fight miller has nothing on him in russia collusion because there was no rush of collusion and meanwhile trump is peeling off f.b.i. agents one by one who've all been foolish enough to leak email trails saying where they were partisan political actors for the previous administration so watch that space i think donald trump is able unlike uniquely unlike other american presidents to peel himself free of the worst parts of the deep state not because weigh in on that because that would be i guess world historic i mean at least in the modern

american president. i mean reflecting about what ted just said there were what about remember ronald reagan in a world without nuclear weapons i mean it's not the first time it's been said to me and reagan was quite serious about that i've read memo once about it you know and everybody around him like oh no no no you don't want to go that far you're ok i mean it's really interesting what ted said because you know it is kind of. the cards are stacked here but i want to go back to what i said earlier i just don't think that trump does have a vision it is he wants a cheaper ones everybody pay their way because he thinks that's more fair but i don't think there's any kind of you know i want to really rejig the entire architecture of the western security world i don't think he has those thoughts ok in between cheeseburgers ok he's is going to say he's going to go back he's going to go back to fargo to a rally and so i made him pay up and everyone's going to cheer and you know what not a bad idea go ahead mark was. yes i mean you know in regard to bomb a i was bitterly critical yet of his presidency but i would say this at least when

he left the white house the saudis and the israelis were celebrates another that's a compliment in itself we can't say the same about donald trump because when donald trump became president the saudis and the israelis had their man in the white house and of course what has he done he has worked very closely alongside the state so i prefer the the traditional expression the american establishment in strengthening the strengthen in america's relationship with israel and saudi arabia as i said it in april two thousand and seven saying something like six hundred billion dollar. contract signed with saudi arabia that is absolutely and the incredible because if people don't get me and the people of yemen around the short end of the stick of that to ok a world at a time when the people when your man they haven't noticed a difference have played with donald trump becomes president glenn let me go to you we're almost out of time here but there i think i'm going to backtrack

a little bit i think trump does have one thing he wants to deal with in his presidency and it's iran's we don't have time to talk about it but for the very reasons that mark just said go ahead we have thirty seconds glenn go ahead. well iran becomes a very different situation than russia of course but. it's quite possible that when it goes to russia you might want to deal with iran keep in mind on the road russia burned itself on this with the obama administration by extension excepting the americans. for the missile defense system in return for sanctions on iran but we saw what happened in the return with missile defense and they do so i don't think the trouble is going to be able to get russian cooperation against iran again. on that note we started with nato we ended up with with the around that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in london oxford and in oslo and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember rules.

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investigating how people became critically ill several kilometers from where a former russian double agent and his daughter were poisoned also to come with the stages over the fateful world cup here in russia but the quarter finals nicette to kick off on friday and the u.s. independence day but just tired private of all americans to be american a new survey suggests for many patriotism could be deducing its sparkle its look still separated now instead of being united i'm in that category i'm extremely proud. to welcome is eleven pm here in moscow you're watching international now british counter-terror police are investigating what's been declared a major incident after two people were rushed to horse. but all following the possible exposure to an unknown substance the person who are in

a critical condition to kill ten kilometers from where a former russian double agents. his daughter were poisoned exactly four months ago . as more details there is an intense amount of public interest in this developing story and i think the police have come out and just tried to allay the concerns of locals in the area and to kind of just clarify a bit more information they've said that the individuals that were taken nailed on saturday are four year old woman and a forty four year old man they also mentioned that they cordoned off parts of the town of souls pray and amesbury as well that village where the couple were initially taken ill and it's not clear just yet they say if it's a criminal investigation in fact there are more questions than answers for the moment really we also heard a little bit earlier on from sky sources saying that blood samples from the past have been sent off to portland down now you would have heard of porton down in

relation to this script poisoning because that is the lab the government lab that's just ten miles away from amesbury that identified the substance used against the script piles as military grade nerve agent and in another sign that this could be a very serious incident we've also heard from london's metropolitan police that counter-terror unit is now helping welcher police with the investigation given the recent events and so spree officers from the counterterrorism network are working jointly with colleagues from police regarding the incident in amesbury as police have stated they are keeping an open mind as to the circumstances surrounding the incident and we'll update the public as soon as regularly as possible. just like you heard in that police statement there on. we'll similarities between these two cases at least from where when. this involves two individuals they've become

critically ill not far from seoul's very they've been taken to souls brave district hospital that's the same place where so gay and you a script were treated and also for a suspected exposure to an on substance and just like in the case of the script files you've got bits of the town and the village where they were found being cordoned off in order to potentially protect the public from some sort of potentially hazardous material offices obviously trying to be as safe as possible perhaps being overcautious but understandably all of this is a source of alarm for the locals and i think that's why we've had the police come out and give this statement they said that public health and have said that they don't believe there to be a significant risk to anyone other than these two individuals who are in hospital in a critical condition at the moment but that assessment is constantly being reviewed

so the story is gathering pace and the mystery is intensifying as the similarities between this new case in amesbury and the script poisoning become more apparent. now after two weeks of football fever world cup is down to the last countries colombian and swiss hearts were broken yesterday few watching but it was jubilation for england and sweden don't know hawkins is all the angles covered for us in some pages but. were you watching this today welcome to roger's historic northern problem but i don't want to decide which is museum part of squirt history it's the vote today of course but before the nerve jangling knock out. stage has now wrapped up we know the eight teams now set to play in the world cup quarterfinals. head to

head with france brazil face belgium on friday that should be a goal fast on saturday all eyes here of course with the host russia and their clash with getting to of course sweden england also meet the same day. wrapped up the knockout stage last night it really did have several layers of their seats and myself for three to three lives in a dramatic i don't see shootout. the whole range of emotions jubilation. violently to break the penalty which is ones of several top on that sort of course heartbreak for colombia who gave it their all but it wasn't quite enough pundit joseph was also what's in the game in which the colombian players they gave everything for one hundred twenty minutes they should

be exhausted. or such and there should be more from our point of view because the motions one. point of view are more important thing you know to be in the quarterfinals great job and people. need you for calls on the quality. of the long form and then. nor. can we change the future of the completion so if you're in. the quarterfinals and having for the finals there we. share. england her. to being the world cup final all eyes of course on england caps and. football's hottest property right now the best striker at least according to many school that crucial penalty there was always attempts.