turning criminals of today into computer geeks with samara crime becoming easier to convey how dangerous can digital crime get while i ask. cyber crime fighter on hand of the cyber security firm group. for cocaine barons the twenty first century criminal goldmine is a computer with why fight. with trillions of dollars in profits and ever more advanced technology is cyber crime unstoppable only by our ignorance who are the new cyber kings of the underworld and what are we doing to halt their trucks. yes i am fighter had a security firm group by a b. welcome to the show great to have you with us. it's a crime like everything else in our lives to slowly moving into the cyberspace into the cyber realm i'm human fighting it for years already how big is decider crime globally i mean can you compare it to illicit drug trade or arms trade is that

still small scale seen or is it huge like that simple number. two thousand and fifteen the. crime money three. drug dealing just being sold for a good huge difference in terms of money so cyber crime is actually the bigger than they actually arms trade and trade are drugs bigger is virtually everyone at risk of a cyber crime right now and is there such a thing as a petty cyber crime that same that like the carriage show and then there is the big scale industry of crime. you know there are many people who could tell you i'm not game for the cyber criminals why i need them but if you have any device if you have

lost your car. actually you are in the risk zone because. it's too simple thing that cyber criminal squad do busy you still your money julia information also on the cute. destroy your predation for example if you have some confidential on the device so extra every one and into those of race and festival was old this sinks was the smart fonts because children were people they use smartphones results understand the rules of cyber security and of cause that regions yep i agree with me that there is a difference if you happen to like i don't know national bank of america and dates account of billions and trillions of dollars and then you hack into account a person who has ten dollars on his account and which crime are you more interested

in like big scale or smaller scale all of them we sold. difference pesetas ation the three and cyber criminal groups some of them dead to legal thinks once a year but very big in scale of money and there are groups who are interested in them a lot of lethal sub or crime actions from the people for example carving fish and. many others so we are interested in destroy legally dead the group so. the idea that they did that if we. war against cyber criminal groups is out doesn't matter what kind of cyber crime they do so you're not only someone who protects from cyber crime you also investigate. find the criminals hand them to the police to the

officials why such perseverance and when should this be left to the governments and are you like a vigilante are a model of how cybersecurity will work in the future. first of all i'm personally hate cyber criminals on criminals in general in general and i am engineer so i use my engineer brain and do things that i like interim so for governments. if you. will meet a cyber crime in your life. if you call to the police will they help you are not actually not you need someone fost who collect digital evidence very fast. junior tools and.

after death go to the police and help to prosecute someone so it's not it's not something that the government could do right now and usually it's communication of or private companies and governments and so i don't believe that any country government could. close whole questions to cyber crime i heard you say that the cyber crime is venturing i mean the organized crime is venturing into the cyber world. how does that work i mean is there were almost cyber crime already integrated into global mafia business into cartels. i think telus understood that cyber crime is small it's safer of think because of my new reason it's easy to buy some scripts to. people really don't understand what is cyber crime right now and it could be where

am girls border so it's where it's safe and low for any country somewhere in the past so that's why it's classic cartels for example the people from our guys crime groups in russia who in one thousand invests and drug dealings or. money laundering schemes they all of them right now invest in the cybercrime because it's safe for them on the money bigger. and around minute talented people who could do technical work so that's why so have you ever found like a cyber criminal network and realize that it actually connected to organized crime with like real weapons and what do you do in that situation i think last ten years they all connected to organized crime they have that and have you actually of course found that you have because in the in the stage show for investigation when do you work with law enforcement and could be search action in the flats in every

case someone from x. law enforcement or loyalists or something. connected today organized crime are fierce near you and you understand that this is guys who do technical they were connected to the people from the very wary about things so in any case if we speak about the huge heights of groups resolve the protection of . for example. very simple crime right now where the popular internet banking the eft so we have internet banking account in good you could now list your money sold at auction is a. developed devised. the technical thing. could be a simple law difficult thing but after

a bit should transfer money to some account enough to death this money this situation of organized crime money laundering and other things if you go after criminals in a cyber space does that ever translate into real life and we have you ever encountered a criminal and front of your porch saying that what's up. cases was a real danger. one of them connected to someone with a real weapon shoot to our office and someone destroy karo following lawyer but in terms of investigation this is where is the action because it's help to. them trace them and fall in terms of law enforcement agents as if someone does something like that. was communication. all for. cyber

crime it easier to persecute them because people and a chorus to be more aggressive to the people who commit the real crime so this is like a warning to cyber criminals like if you don't want to get caught don't get physical and it will world yeah so and we it's bad to be bad for the law system but we have a lot of gays as we understand that we couldn't use the law system to persecute someone and we're trying to find some the think in the physical or so illegal. illegal business that there ations for example all some docs relation in some cases with child pornography and many other but things well talk about different laws and how that helps or doesn't help the cyber crime of this or that i know that you're very in demand not only in russia but also broad and that's because you know how they were and hackers work are they all the rage right now are russian hackers number one in the saddle. i think. war for the russian

speaking because. it's not a russian citizen russian speaking harm they are right now number one they could also be belorussia or. there are many explicit reasons for that but by a year a poll statistics from twenty wire asus were a sists fifty eight its wire assists games from russian speaking segment all on droid troy ounce drawings for all mobile phones is on troy's abrasion system all of them from russian speaking fighters. i don't. freeze and feel dead but that's up to soviet you know fresh dry minded talented people who pay for a good education they couldn't find a good job they bought bargains trying to. get minute to defeat family.

that's why they choose something great because for many people and in some cases they really believe that they don't do something about it think this is like a game that's why a lot of people from the soviet union countries start to be defense hike your sin the wars and off of that this is like. champagne for france for a russian speaking people will talk more about that after the break we're going to take a short break now when we're back we'll continue talking to. iran this hour security firm group be talking about how to stay safe in cyberspace stay with us.

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sabur security firm group. governments and banks but irish citizens as well so what are the differences between cyber criminals of different nationalities i mean can you give examples do they all have a different style how does it manifest itself. some of them are. who develop. cyber crime. new type week tims for example russian speaking. that could carry traders yes and some of the nations like chinese hiker so united states there is a user today. that's creator sekret created. and in some

cases they do better than creators sold i think to huge difference creator some people who use already did the robot so they're just two types i think fabric criminalists i think that's not very diverse. when you definite goal professional by january. and so many groups who are really international groups right now we know a lot of people groups from united states russia chinese fighter said one group are american hackers like american hackers yes of course and then you like criminals do know and united nations was all criminals sold cause there are many now i mean i don't like you know their stereotypes are like i don't know latin americans are all about drugs and. africans are about diamonds and arms

and i know all of that stereotypes do they do they have stereotypes in a cyber crime world united states they have loads of people from different nations and sites anti-american stu and from them we know a lot of good high course white hardcore sound like they're so. they're good they work for cyber security companies and like us they commit a crime so every night and nations and for example there is a huge conference blackout this conference from the united states and if you look at the program of the conference there are many united states names so i mean the perception of cyber crime or for hackers is still somewhat romanticized i mean we see them as these gate little janie's says or. a system where where's is it really like that. i mean you say yourself the people who at soviet union who are super smart. they couldn't find jobs here in soviet union to provide their

families so you know there's twenty years to go. of them like geeks and that and to system wire us all people who are just interested in technical issues but right now if someone steal money from your internet bank account is their connection was and to cease to action i think now it's just a crime because they would like to steal money. few of them steal geeks like a creator but usually that they're in the in the bad but serial of connections so someone but he uses their brain but few of them most of them just new generation of the criminal so you know your way into that digital will you know how to build it it fails you know how to hack. it you know the things that hackers did yeah you guys are kind of similar. technically yes but

huge difference in our old brain and soul. fawcett's two way of hike and for white things to protect people to help people towards you and bad things when you do something creech effect on the people from from the black side my team and sweaty hard to way to find people was of wide brains but it's huge difference this huge difference between us and i don't believe that. some wan from our team could do something about it definitely so i always wondered where is that famed line you know they say there's one step between love and hate and then you can be working in poli sci and go rogue i'm sure like that happens and you will see i mean especially the temptations and the money and

a happening and cyber crime is probably much more than investigating you know i would imagine yeah if so you were never tempted to cross that line i don't know maybe you're sober and morally stable but does that happen do people from your side cross the border i know company as we reach north and west in the internal security and we know a lot of cases from around people from cyber security companies it's off to to for a year stop saying do something about it that's why we. use a lot of things that people not support lie detectors biological lie detector tests scoring system we talk with the parents for talk with the teacher and. to decrease the level of priests i agree that drees a possibility that someone from out. in some situation could cross the line best why you need to do

a lot of control things that's why in these such difficult political situation there is still have clients from where they unfriended contras for example from the united states because they know that we do everything that we can to protect employees. clients from this situation. what do you mean do you have. unfriendly countries in terms of cyberspace what does that you know that for example. just so security company from russia. least at the end of sanctions leaves. the united states market than the european market because so some contras freights russian cyber security companies. saw sort of like engineers this is some friendly act hostile act so back to crossing

the line have you ever personally thought to yourself day i'm so good at cyber crime. i did so only better than this guy did some time sightseeing that i could be a martyr. in the cyber crime war i think could be one of the best but they never sold i'd prefer to die than do something bad to raise my brain . i had my you for such strong stand so our government's keeping pace with cyber crimes like they're on top of all this like super advanced cyber criminals now i mean f.b.i. surely has its own team right it cracks to cyber crime but is it on top of things every country has something like three feet by have is a digital crime unit about. it's huge each our programme for government to fly it was

a cyber criminals from the government level you need to worry talented people who like war quiz the government was all government like old style rules like this dress called. limitation for example in russia if someone would like war or are in police or in special forces they could be to travel outside the for russia why you can dial into a professional should choose the government. that's why government do a lot of scenes to fight the cyber criminals but the main problem for them they couldn't fight done lots of people do you feel like you have the app or hand in this field and i know like private companies like yours could actually become that they think in a security fillin cyber crime in they need to take over i think in the in the kind

of business the private companies right now faster than the government in space in internet in cybersecurity in a car that wildman business in science. private companies to build a new argument for dollars that people. to be fostered and you government government has power of they has. the government have. a war or a low b. other think about the result dollars of people snuffing can zero say you have said that there are signals that can be detected before cyber crime is committed can you predict where and when the attack next attack is going to be yes how. we started built cybersecurity tools. on the second way of company history our tenure was on of us on the investigation business

so we know how high course the company is and part of the excel file business that's our clients when you see issue for ten years. become premise is that different cybersecurity thinks and old to cyber security things they detect the crime on the final stage when someone already in your network and where you he's going to see geisha knowledge understood that there are many in preparation steps and you could write a special algorithm. set up some honeypots in the interim that and collect this. data a lot of loads of big data and you could understand that hey this is better. for for example fission site and you could detect it from the cells hts step not on the last and for any crime but there are and who are in danger of crime who have such

algorithms and could predict the crime of the states for preparation so you know for most of us it was still don't fully comprehend and the real threat from cyber criminals because yeah we're talking about your here explaining to me how this all works but. it's still kind of an apparel reality i mean until your bank account is emptied one day we all know for instance that if you leave your things unintended they will get stolen when will we realize and fully understand the extent of the border danger of cybercrime. generation. user belief and this when we need to cyber crime when we so everyone each one of us has to encounter cyber crime in their lives in order to alleviate friend. or family business doesn't work like that with real crime right like you don't need to get

killed or someone in your family does need to be killing and to believe there are real critical cyber crimes some think you fall society it's on the twenty s fun side of crime disease and killing and robbery is seeing things dead in now society for hundreds and thousands of years and for example last year three wait so france from where the docs like beds are a bit on the cry for. mania so much become. a loose information on that for us for weeks but disorders simple think and a lot of people and a lot of her social roles so many articles about the belt around somewhere how would seem bold. least the heart. beats of this of the uk when the company meets their on somewhere in there and then after that they belief so.

like in the united states. education program for children. information is used to cyber crime. where. all right well thank you very much for the wonderful insight into the world of cyber crime we wish you all the best of luck. feature endeavors. that say it were. a crime fighter had a cyber security firm. discussing what. was being done to rein them in. this edition of.

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