what next he does something no one seems to know what though suddenly he's in hospital for almost a week being treated for what no one knew what with this much evidence how could you not blame russia it could only have been putin just like it was last time you argue that their source of. edge and not the chalk is russia how did you manage to find it out so quickly i look at the the evidence when the people from from porton down they were absolutely categorical and i asked the guy myself i said are you sure and he said there's no doubt we have not verified the precise source so to be clear you're not able at porton down to say where it is from we haven't yet been able to do that i was being very clear i thought i was being very clear to. the german program which is that. told us in

absolutely no uncertain terms that this was a military grade. they knew what it is not the business of important i mean i don't i don't know whether it's even possible for them to identify the origin in all seriousness it's an interesting narrative we have going here lars style britain's accusations which seemingly founded on a highly likely assessment therefore it's highly likely that it's highly likely that it's all russia's fault the decision taken by the russian government to deploy these missiles on march the fourth was reckless because there is no possible alternative explanation to the events in march other than the russian state was responsible we have already seen multiple explanations from state sponsored russian media regarding this latest incident we can't is. this information from the last we

saw following the so we've come full circle they sat there for months ago making the same claims something happens accuse russia arguments collapse then quiet something happens again straight away they accuse russia who can guess what comes next. with the latest in the news and the football at the top of. a low and welcome to crossfire we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle the democratic party is in big trouble the party has not come to terms with the outcome of the two thousand and sixteen election they have

a leadership out of touch with its base millennia old are fleeing so is their slogan now no party for white man. crosstalk in the trials and tribulations of the left i'm joined by my guest so i color in seattle he's a writer activist and progressive you tube or in west hartford we have julio rivera he is editorial director for reactionary times and the newsmax columnist and here in moscow we have don de bar he's an anti-war activist and host of a daily radio program or a gentleman cross rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate soccer let me go to you first in seattle because you get up there early as for this program and it's much appreciated i mean i suppose you came. came across this walkaway movement that it is taken in a bit of. a flash on the internet. and here i found that to be very curious

because i think i instinctively everyone on this panel and a lot of people in the in the in the country already know this and and the the inclusive eighty of the democrats is what they say but in fact they're actually actively excluding people of all kinds of people different stripes and attitudes and outlook so how do you reflect upon that sad go ahead. because it's going by your own ballot that you know at least here in america i saw a lot of this everything in twenty six media was. well basically that's sort of what happened in the twenty sixteen election is lots and lots and lots of democrats who used to be very active voters active in their community completely left the party for a number of reasons now a whole lot this changed sixteen but you know at least this viral video made itself in more and also. as you know i think it's a very good thing that the democratic party ok i want to go back to why you think

it is later in the program who you know basically the same thing to you because i mean i've been very very critical of the identity politics but it seems to me that since two thousand it did more to do thousand sixteen and it's not working now but they've doubled down on it i mean it just you know if that's the definition of stupidity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome ok i find it really breathtakingly stupid to be honest go ahead julio in west hardy exactly it's a definition of insanity and they're going to continue to do it because they have hope for and quite frankly to run on i mean they can't really criticize the results of the truck because for the traditional democratic governor graphics the last two you know those the blocked unemployment has been you know at historic lows or near historic lows the entire time and i think that people the of color and you know women and some of those other demographics right now or feel that they're being

insulted in a sense it is intellectually insulting for democrats to make the assumption that all these groups are supposed to just you know coalesce only with the democrats you know it should be about our policy it should be about the color of your skin it should be about which party will bring the best result for you economically and otherwise julio but let me go to don i thought that what the democratic party used to do exactly what julio just sad go ahead don politics is supposed to be the field in which public policy is to term and and a day. craddock society which people refer to the united states as they've been doing it my whole life referring to it that those decisions policy decisions are supposed to be made democratically when you have that determination is a policy made at the beginning of the process by you know big money basically whether it's democrats or republicans who are the politicians that will implement those policies the job becomes then selling

a policy that the people don't want so people by madison avenue techniques which is where you get identity politics we are going to do things that are good for big banks we're going to do things that are good for the military industrial complex we're going to do things that are good for the prison industrial complex we have to sell it to black folks this way so hispanic folks this way so white working class folks this way etc in other words these divisions quote unquote that are you know things that are looking at madison avenue playbook or the things that have to be excited because it's determined already what's going to happen and all they're doing is trying to temper your response to it and so at the end of the day when people don't feel anything actualize through public policy discussions debates elections and cetera they become frustrated and they start walking away and what we're seeing happen with the democratic party is the logical conclusion of this process and i think it's terminal yeah i mean if you look i mean it with the advent

of barack obama what are the fortunes of the democratic party in congress in the white house gubernatorial races i mean really it doesn't work i don't understand why they keep doing it it's not going to go to you because i find it i'm really insulted by politicians that pigeonhole me ok you know because of my appearance number one or some of my preferences that doesn't determine my political outlook and they insult the in the electorate by for example if you're a gay person oh you must be a democrat really why i never understood that everyone has the right to determine what they think and express what they think in public without being pigeonholed and to be dated to vote to pull the to go along with the party line go ahead zack. you know you're exactly right and you know i'm a little guy and that's exactly what after twenty six minutes people just assume you're voting democrat and so you get well wait in my late to all the sudden the

democrats like deserve my vote you know obviously bill clinton is longer solace wolf or two it's a gay federal bills while he was president you know find a president that's done more harm the gay community than the clintons you know so it's like it was always the. only people only allowed out you know i think only the you that supporting this political party which was this very early the candidates are treated sermon by the influence and they fear and put it on the you know voter groups and it just assumes that every single gay person has the same thing every single black person the same it's completely insulting it's completely a little bit racist to assume that your voter group may well not do more than the. political or if. it were a certain earth or they have to go in certain ways one of. the things that

will warm it's insulting but it's insulting because they take you for granted i mean and that's the worst thing a politician can do take you for granted you're only one of the things that really are the big bugs with this the new a quarter point appointment in there is a a woman who happens to be a counselor can has a large family and it seems to me when i look at the liberal media they're more terrified that trump will point zero woman he's not supposed to do that he's oh my saadoun is you know all their fuses start blowing up i actually find it very amusing to watch it's like watching adolescence ok it's it gets it they betray every single value they claim to hold go. ahead julio exactly it's almost like when you know the whole foreign policy thing with north korea started you know improving people were like you know it's almost like liberals wanted there to be

the constant get out of north korea because that would somehow prove it that donald trump was doing a terrible job from a foreign policy perspective you know and just to kind of expand on the whole walk away thing i think a lot of people did this all long time ago i mean you have to look at the result of elections in two thousand and ten when the tea parties rose up when you look at twenty fourteen where there was a big republican revolution where a lot of house seats were gained in the senate was retaken by the by the republicans rather and the twenty sixth do you know election result you know this party has nothing to offer i can't say that enough i mean what's their platform going to be we're going to increase your taxes and they think that the common american the working class americans are going to gravitate towards that this way that supposedly is coming is nonexistent in my opinion you know you know don you know one of the things i find really tragic what's going on the democratic party because they used to traditionally support the working class people and i think that was that was admirable ok i do like having

a adversarial political system because you get the best out of it's renegotiation and debate and all of that that's one that's ok and i actually miss traditional liberals in it because they actually had a genuine concern for the working class people for for the everyday people if i can use that term anymore why have they i mean we see it all through the clinton campaign is that don't worry about white men you know do a lost cause that you know when you don't that's not even part of their electoral calculus which is in the end of the day that's what made donald trump the president i mean how did they miss this and how do they keep missing it don. but. i don't know how they keep missing it again the problem is the a priori decisions are you know policy decisions are made that way at the beginning we're doing this and it gets done now the politicians go out and argue over whether it was a good thing or not although the mechanism by which this thing happened there are

very small group of people who are big very big policy decisions that transfer large amounts of wealth into their bank accounts and make the rest of us basically have more problems in our daily lives so the outcome you know among the population is going to be you know this is another basis for us being dissatisfied this is bad for me to have to work longer hours or have as much money of in foreclosure or being a victim you know across there are millions of people that are in all kinds of distress in the united states this has been growing since the one nine hundred seventy s. really and unabated since the mid late eighty's and there's no remedy offered in the political system so when politicians come out and start talking about division for example you're talking about an adversarial process because normally we're trained to think like in courts an adversarial process is how you do your you know find truth in this case there is that the adversary is between the people who are making policy and the rest of this but to have us at each other's throats arguing

over what is or isn't true while all of us are having our wealth transferred to a very small group of people who make those decisions it's a public relations game really it's not a place where well obviously is made and that's the problem but it's what's really interesting is that we have had a series revolts we've had the tea party revolt we had the we had the occupy we had occupy and we're going to go to a short break here but i want to talk about alexander alexandria ocasio quite a ten is when we come back gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the trials and tribulations of the left state with our. i. b m r e r two. cyber crime war. i

think would be one of the best but i never saw or heard before today that there's something about this migraine. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle for a minute we're discussing the trials and tribulations of the left. ok let's go back to in seattle ok we've really beat up on the democrats the least the establishment democrats now let's see another angle that's going on i don't want to give the impression and i hope we have it is that people leave the democratic party or are pro term they're not all pro trump some of them have moved

over to the g.o.p. actually a lot of the data says the g.o.p. is still more attractive than donald trump it's a topic of entirely different program which i think it's quite fascinating because i'm a conservative and i really have contempt for the g.o.p. so i would be an interesting topic but i want to go back to alexandria. cortez zach i mean she's a very interesting phenomenon and she's the the reason the most recent eruption of the just rup shin and the two political parties and i get the leadership of the democratic party just so blinded by all of these things here they were blindsided by her election i don't feel sorry for her opponent i mean because he's a swamp character i wish more of them would be thrown out. i mean listening to meet the press democratic socialism i don't think she has a clue what it really is but it sounds nice ok it sounds nice and considering the the empty rhetoric that we have from these establishment politicians including

republicans i'm not surprised some people want to listen to that to be honest with you go ahead. you know i mean she's something a little different but obviously she was supported by some elements of the new york power structure that allowed her to get to the point that she said that i agree it's good that she's removing so little but probably there are a lot longer than he should have been over that's not really a great sign that the democrats are really you know revitalized there and she's a she's got a very to both the character and for the things that he presented some things that are actually i think that he had a very. good standard that. rats think that if they use the image of bernie sanders that they can actually maintain some kind of you know relationship with democratic party voters that are leading the party but i don't think that you know she's really a good symbol for what's going on because i don't think that this is

a common occurrence and if you look at who is supporting her i mean actual standpoint you're going to see the democratic or the donor. or the form and. that's very interesting i mean. i think one of the things he had to say right after her election is that you know i say has to be dismantled who is really surprised and really disappointed that it kind of you know that is you we have this trickle down economics but that was trickle up ideology always said you have the people in the mainstream democratic establishment saying we should get with ice i mean i'm sure this alexandria is a nice lady i don't want to cast aspersions on or not just twenty eight year old but had a privileged upbringing that showed herself to be you know. a kid from the bronx ok good that's p.r. that's you know it's how it works but you know i was really amazed how this shock outcome in the fourteenth district in new york and it goes into the mainstream they

want to talk about i snowboarders i mean again this lunacy is a disease you know and. donald trump is releasing their brains i guess because they can't think straight if you look at poll after poll republicans and democrats in majorities want better emigration policies again they're out to lunch go ahead julio. yeah i mean and you if you look at a lot of the quotations a lot of good videos online that show you know hillary clinton talking about immigration bill clinton talking about immigration you know in the past saying that we needed stronger enforcement and you know this alexandria ok zio cortez to me is the worst possible manifestation of identity politics you know and she's so out of touch with a lot of the left you know people that she claims to represent i mean a lot of those people were just everything risked their lives everything they know and left their country to escape those social democratic socialist policies that they have good health america and her story to me is

a lie anyway because her dad was a architect who had a successful business she didn't grow up in the bronx she's not a true child of the getaway stress to prayer cells to be able to be just a fraud. don i mean i think julio just said a really bad you know he has one of the things is that identity politics per se is not really about those individual victimized groups by white people now it's a recipe for power because this is what they want they want power and that's why they can talk about policy ok and this is one of the huge problems like donald trump are not in we've done so many programs on and he does have policies some i'm vehemently are against ok some that i agree with but i'd least of the g.o.p. he's got policies he can chew on ok the left just have fake pictures on the on magazine covers i mean it's really really distressing go ahead don let's look at

the last twenty five years and follow it to two tracks quickly and look at this in relation to the democratic party at the republican party you had for example the globalization to jobs or start to be offshore to the eighty's and ninety's. though to fast forward one nine hundred ninety nine seattle i think was ninety ninety nine protests all bad. a relationship where the you know the unions of the big marches and protests against globalization basically the aliens ended up joining the marches because their constituents went over the heads of the organizers of said you know what these guys are talking about a right that's my job this gets shipped overseas you know fast forward to two thousand and eight you have the economic collapse the people in secure this is america ok they elected the black guy that was a remarkable moment in american history and what happened nothing exactly the same thing continued policy didn't change an iota you come up to two thousand and sixteen you have in the democratic party bernie sanders who wasn't supposed to get

any lift at all he was supposed to be a distraction really wins the primary we're told from here donald trump was not even a republican every republican in that party ran against him at the entire apparatus both political parties and he ended up winning that nomination in a cakewalk and the presidency one last thing on the other track go back to the ninety's you know go to l.a. and rodney king and everything that happened people go in the streets over that and come straight up to you know black lives matter and the way that the democrats relate so that they try to co-opt it but in effect the policies that came out of it will be a bill clinton with mass incarceration after rodney king all the way up to the white people being treated today in the streets you have this whole country actual constituencies with real needs that are not being satisfied that the public relations effort targets them based on these fake you know identities that are supposed to correspond to the constituencies but because they have nothing to do with policies that these constituencies need their faith and this whole thing is

kind of collapsing that's what we're talking about really it's really interesting is that going to go back to you in seattle i mean one of the things we go back to the case in new york with this alexandria i mean one takeaway for me is that both parties in to a much greater degree with the democrats because they can't get that clinton poison out of their system there and i think some people really were. wanted to finally come out here but i mean one of the takeaway from the election was we really need to return to local politics to find out what real people are saying instead of like what don says or don't i completely agree instead of having madison avenue you know do it on a macro all the way down when she starts listen to the people you know in the local cafe and bakery and and find out what they really think because it seems that there's so very much at odds with the leadership particularly of the democratic party the republican party is more complicated for different reasons and we can talk about that another program go ahead zuck. yeah you know i totally agree and

it's this kind of weird and those are that the democratic party is in where they want to have their cake and eat it too they want to have their big they want to be against campaign finance reform you know it really is very fraudulent in many ways it's what the democratic party does and part of the reason they don't listen is because their exact constituents that they're going after these kind of identity politics groups probably for the most part understand the problems of neo liberalism and they're not going to be able to get some serious heat back from these people because the democrats have been the problem for so long that they hate it after a who they're talking with or if they're using to support the party as the now does more people are really aware of the feelings and then. they're not listening what they're going to find out information that they don't want to hear and they've been resistant to a note of the federation in the all of the achievements that they have supported me

in their current efforts and to vote for the party at least for the third. thing that's why this all of the back the democratic party under obama as he was barely troubleshooting anything it's like ok why should we trust another democrat when brock obama in my opinion made things worse than even made progress on a big picture so it's like hard to trust the democratic party when they have nothing to be responsible for having based in recent memory you know the only the only talking point we've had since the election of two thousand and sixteen from the left is to hate and undermine and dismiss everything the president of the united states said the democratic choice of the american people i mean it it's painful to watch cable t.v. like m.s.n. b.c. and c.n.n. i mean it's not even worth watching like why should i sacrifice the time they will never get back in my life just to hear slurs and. and really just incredible bias

it's such poison for our for our political dialogue that there is no dialogue ok it's just one it's one way to wreck ssion propaganda this is so damaging to the electoral process and i put it squarely on the left for this go ahead julio yes definitely i mean all they've done is be divisive and separate america and you don't you just foster all this you know this feeling of division within the country but the one thing that they need to understand is you cannot win major midterm election you cannot win a presidency without the most important demographic and it's the demographic that books the most in this country which is white men they've done anything everything that they can to sort of you know attack white men in this country and obviously resonated with white men and the republican party is resonating with white men so they can go out there they can pay into every particular race every particular

secor sexual orientation and religion and all these other things until they start to come up with policies which are attractive to white men they are not going to win. before we go we oriented programming i'm really glad that you said that because it's really interesting is that white women did to ok but oh we're told by the democrats hillary clinton that men told them to vote that way i mean they even use the identity politics against themselves it's really quite extraordinary ok gentlemen that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests in seattle west hartford and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember cross talk rules. astri's police forces and city administrations of many countries depend on one

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