cuti to parrot the government line on this one the government line has been contradictory but not contradicted by the media itself has been so many holes in the story i think we could. we could throw quite a lot of war down them and throw a lot of cold water on these claims because there's nothing to the as much as they change so much in very so considerably from day to day practically with the original stories and i was being given a rehash of course in the middle of a sporting event in russia what a coincidence and though and as i say too much of the media is too willing to accept too much which is unproven and in flat contradictions everything that looks like common sense at these events are actually designed to draw attention away from that world cup and distract from the success of events like the social lympics similar events were occurring then there's a claim that russia would want to use the these events as smokescreens but for what for attacking two random people in some small town in in england as if. the russian government or mr putin hasn't got better things to do than to go around

making mischief in some obscure regional town in some unfortunately relatively obscure country it's absurd in all its tenets and we should remember that the examples given i noticed in the media for example wars in georgia and so on several are examples which were initiated by the western backed governments in those regions so it wasn't the russians starting something in line with these events it was actually the other way around those events were happening when western backed government began their own campaigns for example to hold south a seizure all those years ago. more news.

technology is turning criminals of today into computer. crime becoming. how dangerous can digital crime get. cyber crime fighter on hand of the cyber security firm group. the twenty first century criminal. underworld. tracks. cyber crime fighter had a security firm group by a b.

welcome to the show great to have you with us. it's a crime like everything else in our lives is slowly moving into the cyberspace into the cyber realm and you've been fighting it for years already how big is decider crime globally i mean can you compare it to illicit drug trade or arms trade is it still small scale seen or is it huge like that. number. three. and if we look at the cluster crime by drug dealing it's just be loans so insular i did huge difference in terms of money so cyber crime is actually the bigger than they have actual arms trade and trade arms and drugs yet bigger is virtually everyone at risk of a cyber crime right now and is there such a thing as a petty cyber crime that same that like the hour rage show and then there is the

big scale industry of crime you know there are many people who could tell you i'm not game for the cyber criminals why i need them but if you have any device if you have lost your car. actually you are in the risk zone because. it's too simple saying that cyber criminals squidoo busy you still your money steal your information also on they cute. destroy your appreciation for example if you have some confidential on the you know device so extra every one and into those of race and cells to hold was old this seems was the smart fonts because. children all people do you smartphones result understand the rules of cyber security and of cause their victims yet but agree

with me that there is a difference if you hack into a i don't know national bank of america and dates account of billions and trillions of dollars and then you hack into account a person who has ten dollars on his account and which crime are you more interested in like big scale or smaller scale all of them we sold. difference beside ization the three in cyber criminal groups some of them dead to legal thinks once a year. because of this caliph money and there are groups who are interested in them a lot of lethal sub or crime actions from the people for example guarding fish and. many others so we are interested in destroy legally dead the group so. the idea. they did that if we. war against cyber criminal group is out doesn't matter what kind of

cyber crime they do so you not only someone who protects from cyber crime we also investigate. find the criminals hand them to the police to the officials why such perseverance and when should this be left to the governments and are you like a vigilante are a model of how cybersecurity will work in the future. first of all i'm personally hate cyber criminals and criminals in general in general and i am engineer so far i use my engineer brain and do things that i like interest so for governments. if you. we will meet a cyber crime in the your life. if you call to the police will they help you are

not actually. you need someone fost who collect digital evidence very fast use some. junior tools and. after death go to the police and help to persecute someone so it's not it's not something the government could do right now and usually it's commission or private company instead of government and i don't believe that in any country the government could. close all gresham's to cyber crime i heard you say that this cyber crime is venturing i mean the organized crime is venturing into the cyber world. how does that work i mean is there were almost cyber crime already integrated into global mafia business into cartels. i think tellus understood that cyber crime is small it's safer of think because of

my new reason it's easy to buy some scripts to. people read it don't understand well it is cyber crime right now and it could be where im girls border so what's where is safe and well or any country somewhere in the past so that's why. classic cartels for example the people from oregon nice crime groups in russia who in one thousand and arrests and drug dealings or. money laundering schemes they all of them right now invest in the cybercrime because it's safer their moment of money bigger. and there are many a talented people who could do technical war so that's why so have they ever found like a cyber criminal network and realize they actually connected to organized crime with like real weapons and what do you do in that situation i think last ten years they

all connected to organized crime they have that and have you actually of course found that you have because in the in the stage show for investigation when do you work with law enforcement and could be search action in the flats in every case someone from x. law enforcement or. loyalists or something. connected today organized crime are fierce near you and you understand that this is guys who do technical they were connected to the people from the very wary about things so in any case if we speak about the huge hiker groups resolve the protection of. for example. very simple crime right now whether popular internet banking the eft so we have internet banking account in good you could now

lose your money so that action is the. developed devised. the technical thing. could be simple or difficult thing but after a bit should transfer money into some account enough to get child this money this situation of organized crime. mind you laundering and other things so if you go after criminals in a cyber space does that ever translate into real life i mean have you ever encountered a criminal i don't run from the airport saying that what's up. case this was a real danger. one of them connected to someone who was a real weapon should try with this and someone destroy karo following ploy but in terms of investigation this is very stupid because it's help to. them trace

them and fall in terms of law enforcement agents as if someone does something like that. was communication. or for. cyber crime it easier to persecute them because people and a chorus to be more aggressive to the people who commit the real crime so this is like a warning to cyber criminals like if you don't want to get caught don't get physical and it will world yes bets big bets for the law system but we have a lot of cases run we understand that we couldn't use the law system to persecute someone and we're trying to find some the think in the physical or so illegal. illegal business that their ations for example all some docs relation in some cases we've found child pornography and many other but things well tell about different laws and how that helps or doesn't help the cyber crime

a bit more that i know that you're very in demand not only in russia but also broad and that's because you know how they were and hackers work are they all the rage right now are russian hackers number one in the saddle. i think. and speaking of the ghosts russia it's not a russian citizen russian speaking harm they are right now number one they could also be belorussia or. there are many explain the reasons for that but by a year a poll statistics from twenty wire asus were a sists fifty eight its wire assists games from russian speaking segment all. drawings for all mobile phones abrasion system all of them from russian speaking hikers. i don't. freeze and feel dead but filtering them that's up to

soviet you know fresh dry minded talented people who pay for a good education they couldn't find a good job they bought barnes trying to. get a minute to defeat family. that's why they choose something great because for many people and in some cases they really believe that they don't do something but it seems this is like a game that's why a lot of people from the soviet union countries start to be defense high cure some of the worst and often dead this is like. champagne for france for a russian speaking people we'll talk more about that after the break we're going to take a short break now when we're back we'll continue talking to. iran this hour security firm group be talking about how to stay safe in cyberspace stay with us.

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and we're back with. our security firm group discussing the threat cyber criminals pose not only to governments and banks but irish citizens as well so what are the differences between cyber criminals of different nationalities i mean can you give me examples do they all have a different style how does that manifest itself for some of them agree creators who develop. cyber crime. new type week terms for example russian speaking. that could carry traders yes and some of the nations like chinese hiker so united states right there is a user today. that's created to recycle it create it. and in some cases they do better than creators sold i think to huge difference create there are

some people who use all right to develop but so they're just two types i think fabric criminalists i think that's not very diverse. when you definite goal professional by january. and so many groups who are really international groups right now we know a lot of people groups from united states russia chinese hide your sin group they're american hackers like american hackers yes of course and then you like criminals do you know in united nations was always criminal soul because there are many you know i mean i don't like you know their stereotypes are like i don't know latin americans are all about drugs and. africans are about diamonds and arms and i know all of that stereotypes do they do they have stereotypes in a cyber crime world united states they have loads of people from different nations

and sites and americans to and from them we know a lot of good high course white hardcore sound like they're so. they're good they work for cyber security companies and like us they commit a crime so every night and nations and for example there is a huge conference blackout this conference from the united states and if you look at the program of the conference there are many united states names so i mean the perception though cybercrime are for hackers is still somewhat romanticised i mean we see them as these gate little geniuses or i don't know a tie system where we are is it really like that. i mean you've set yourself the people who at soviet union who are super smart. they couldn't find jobs here in soviet union to provide their families so you know there's twenty or so ago. mania of them like geeks and that and to system wire us all people who are just

interested in technical issues but right now if someone steal money from your internet bank account use their connection was and to cease to action i think now it's just a crime because they would like to steal money few of them steal geeks like a creator but usually that they're in the in the bad but serial of connections so someone but he uses their brain but few of them most of them to just new generation of the cream and so you know your way into that digital will you know how to build a fancy you know how to hack. it you know the things that hackers did yeah you guys are kind of similar. technically yes but huge difference in our old brain and soul. fawcett's

two way or hike and cool for wired things to protect people to help people towards you and that thinks when you do something creech effect on the people from from the black side it's my team and sweaty hard to way to find people reserve wide brains but it's a huge difference this huge difference between us and i don't believe that. some wan from our team could do something about it definitely so i always wondered where is that famed line you know they say there's one step between love and hate and then you can do working in poli sci and go rogue i'm sure like that happens and you will too i mean especially the temptations and the money and they have gamed and cyber crime is probably much more than investigating you know i would imagine yeah it sure you were never tempted to cross that line i don't know maybe you're sober

and morally stable but does that happen do people from your side cross the border i know company as we reach north and west in the internal security and we know a lot of cases from around people from cyber security companies after to three years starting do something about it that's why we. use a lot of things that people not support lie detector so why a logical lie detector us scoring system we talked was a parents of a talk with the teacher and. to decrease the level of priests i agree that drees a possibility that someone from out. in some situation could cross the line that's why you need to do a lot of controlled things that's why in these such a difficult political situation we still have clients from. unfriended

contras for example from the united states because they know that we do everything that we can to protect glory and towel. clients from this situation. what do you mean do you have. i'm friendly countries in terms of cyberspace what is it you know that for example. you just so security company from russia. least at the end the sanctions. the united states market than the european market because so some countries freights russian cyber security company. saucer like engineers this is some friendly act hostile act so back to crossing the line have you ever personally thought to yourself day i'm so good at cyber crime.

i did so only better than this guy did some time sight seeing that i could be a martyr. in the cyber crime wars. i think would be one of the best but i never stole i had preferred to die than do something bad to raise my brain. i had my you for such strong stand so our government's keeping pace with cyber crimes like they're on top of all this like super advanced cyber criminals now i mean f.b.i. surely has its own team right it cracks to cyber crime but is it on top of things every country has something like three have just a digital crime unit about. it's huge each our programme for government to fight with the cyber criminals from the government level you need to worry talented people who like war quiz the government was all government like old style rules. as dress called.

limitation for example in russia if someone would like war are in police or special forces they could be to travel outside the for russian why the. professional should choose the government. that's why government do a lot of sinks to fight the cyber criminals but the main problem for them they couldn't fight done lots of people do you feel like you have the app or hand in this field. like private companies like yours could actually become they think in a security feel and cyber crime in they need to take over i think in the in the kind of business the private company right now fostered the government in space. in turn in cyber security in

a car that wildman business in science. private company. built on four dollars of people. to be fostered and you government government has power of they has. the government have. all. other things about the result dollars of people it's nothing can zero so you have said that there are signals that can be detected before cyber crime is committed can you predict where and when the attack next attack is going to be yes how. we start to build cyber security. tools. on the second way of company history. tenure was on of us on the investigation business so we know how high cost the company is and part of the excel file business that's our clients when you see issue for ten years. become printed is that different

cybersecurity sinks and old a cyber security things they detect the crime on the final stage when someone already in your network and where you he's going to see geisha knowledge understood that there are many in preparation steps and you could write the special algorithms . set up some honeypots in the interim that and collect this. data a lot of loads of big data and you could understand that hey this is better. for for example fission site and you could detect it from the cells tst up on the last and for any crime ballplayer and who are a danger a crime will have such algorithms and could predict the crime of the states for preparation so you know for most of us it was still don't fully comprehend and the

real threat from cyber criminals because here we talk about this year you're here explaining to me how this all works but it's still kind of an apparel reality i mean until your bank account is emptied one day we all know for instance that if you leave your things unintended they will get stolen when will we realize and fully understand the extent of the border danger of cyber crime. our generation. usually belief in this when we meet the cyber crime when we see everyone each one of us has to encounter cyber crime in their lives in order to alleviate friend. or family business doesn't work like that with a real crime right like if you don't need to get killed or someone in your family does need to be killing one to believe they're real critical cyber crime some think you fall society it's on the twenty s fun side of crime disease and killing robbery

is saying things that in now society for hundreds and thousands of years for example last year three waves or fronts from where the docs like beds are a bit on the cry. dr mania is so much become puniness. information on that works for weeks but disorders simple think and a lot of people and a lot of her social rolled so many articles about the bulge around somewhere how it seemed bold. least the heart. beats of this of doc when the company meet there on swear in there and that sort of stuff that they belief so. like in the united states. education program for children. information is used to cyber crime.

where. all right well thank you very much for the. insight into the world of cyber crime we wish you all the best of luck all your feature endeavors. that say it were . a crime fighter. or security. discussing what. is being done to. this edition of.

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