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continue sophie and cohen sophie shevardnadze technology is turning criminals of today into computer geeks with cyber crime becoming easier. how dangerous can digital crime get while i ask. cyber crime fighter on hand of the cyber security firm group. the twenty first century criminal goldmine is a computer with wife why not the jungle drug lab with trillions of dollars in profits and ever more advanced technology is cyber crime unstoppable only by our ignorance who are the new cyber kings of the underworld and what are we doing to

hold their trucks. were a crime fighter had of these cyber security firm grew by a b welcome to the show great to have you with us thank you it's a crime like everything else in our lives the slowly moving into the cyberspace into the cyber realm i'm human fighting it for years already how big is decider crime globally i mean can you compare it to illicit drug trade or arms trade is it still small scale seen or is it huge like that simple number. two thousand and fifteen. crime money three. dollars and. crime by drug dealing it's just been sold for a huge difference in terms of money so cyber crime is actually the bigger than they actually arms trade and trade are drugs bigger

is virtually everyone at risk of a cyber crime right now and is there such a thing as a petty cyber crime that same that like the carriage show and then there is the big scale industry of crime. you know there are many people who could tell you i'm not game for the cyber criminals why i need them but if you have any device if you have lost your car. actually you are in the risk zone because. it's too simple saying that cyber criminals squidoo busy you. your money steal your information also and they cute. destroy your report they should for example if you have some confidential on the zero device so extra every one and into those of race and cells to hold was all this seems was the smart fonts because children all people they use smartphones results understand

the rules of cybersecurity and of cause that regions yes but agree with me that there is a difference if you hack into a i don't know national bank of america and dates account of billions and trillions of dollars and then you hack into account a person who has ten dollars on his account and which crime are you more interested in like big scale or smaller scale all of them we sold. difference pesetas ation the three and cyber criminal groups some of them they do little things once a year. because that's caliph money and there are groups who are interested in them a lot of lethal sub or crime actions from the people for example guarding fish and. many others so we are interested in destroy legally

that the group so. the idea that. they did that if we are. war against cyber criminal groups is out doesn't matter what kind of cyber crime they do so you're not only someone who protects from cyber crime you also investigate. find the criminals hand them to the police to the officials why such perseverance and when should this be left to the governments and are you like a vigilante are a model of how cybersecurity will work in the future. first of all i'm personally hate cyber criminals and criminals in general in general and i am engineer so for i use my engineer brain and do things that i like interest so for governments. if you.

will meet a cyber crime in your life. if you call to the police will they help you are not actually. you need someone fost who collect digital evidence were files to use. junior tools and. after death go to the police on the help to prosecute someone so it's not. it's not something the government could do right now and usually it's commissioner or private company instead of government and i don't believe that any country government could. close whole gresham's to cyber crime i heard you say that the cyber crime is venturing i mean the organized crime is venturing into the cyber world. how does that work i mean is there were almost

cyber crime already integrated into global mafia business and to cartels. i think cartels understood that cyber crime is small it's safer of think because of my new reason it's easy to buy some scripts to. people really don't understand well it is cyber crime right now and it could be where im girls border so what's weird is safe and low or any country somewhere in the past so that's why it's classic cartels for example the people from our guys crime groups in russia who in one thousand and arrests and the drug dealings or. money laundering schemes all of them right now invest in the cybercrime because it's safe for them on the money bigger. and around minute talented people who do technical war so that's why so have you ever found like

a cyber criminal network and realize that it actually connected to organized crime with like real weapons and what do you do in that situation i think last ten years the old contact that was the organized crime they have and have you actually of course found that you have because in the in the stage show for investigation when do you work with law enforcement and. could be search action in the flats in every case someone from x. law enforcement or lawyer saw something. connected today organized crime a fierce new you and you understand that this is guys who do technical they were connected to the people from the very wary about things so in any case if we speak about the huge heights of groups resolve the protection of. for example. very simple crime right now where popular

internet banking the eft so we have internet banking account in good you could loose your money sold at auction is a. developed devised. the technical thing. could be a simple law difficult thing but after a bit should transfer money to some account enough to get child this money this situation of organized crime mind you laundering and other things so if you go after criminals in a cyber space does that ever translate into a real life i mean have you ever encountered a criminal and front of their porch saying that what's up. case this was a real danger. one of them connected to someone was a real weapon should try with this and someone destroy karo following ploy

but in terms of investigation this is very stupid action because it's help to. them trace them and fall in terms of law enforcement agencies if someone do something like that. was commit nation. or for. cyber crime it easier to persecute them because people and a chorus to be more aggressive to the people who commit the real crime so this is like a warning to the cyber criminals like if you don't want to get caught don't get physical and it will world yeah so and we it's bad. for the law system but we have a lot of cases fun we understand that we couldn't use the law system to persecute someone and we're trying to find some of the think in the physical world so illegal . illegal business separations for

a better than courageous soul i think to huge difference create there are some people who use all right to develop it so that just two types of things that are criminalists i think that's not very diverse. when you definite goal for a fresh. january. and so many groups who are really international groups right now we know a lot of people groups from united states russia chinese hide your sin group or american hackers like american hackers yes of course and then you like criminals do knowing the united nations was always criminal soul because there are many now i mean i don't like you know their stereotypes are like i don't know latin americans are all about drugs and. africans are about diamonds and arms and i don't know all of that stereotypes they have stereotypes in a cyber crime world united states they have loads of people from different nations

and sites anti-american stu and from them we know a lot of good white hardcore sound like they're so. they're good they work for cyber security companies and like us they come in to crime so every night and nations yes. it's just for example there is a huge conference blackout this conference from the united states and if you look at the program of the conference there are many united states names so i mean the perception though cybercrime are for hackers is still somewhat romanticized i mean we see them as this gate little janie's says or i don't entice system or where's is it really like that. i mean you say yourself the people who left soviet union who are super smart they couldn't find jobs here in soviet union to provide their families so you know there's twenty years to go. year of them like

geeks and that and to system wire us or people who are just interested in technical issues but right now if someone steal money from your internet bank account is their connection with the action i think now it's just a crime because they would like to steal money. few of them steal geeks like a creator but usually that they're in the in the bad but serial of connections so someone but to use their brain but few of them most of them just new generation of the criminals so you know your way into the digital will you know how to build a famous you know how to hack. it you know the things that hackers did. yeah you guys are kind of similar. for technically yes but huge difference in our old brain and soul. fawcett's

two way or hike and for white things to protect people to help people towards you and bad things when you do something creech effect on the people from from the black side it's my team and sweaty hard to way to find people reserve white brains but it's huge difference this huge difference between us and i don't believe that someone from our team could do something about it definitely so i always wondered where is that famed line you know they say there's one step between love and hate and then you can the working in police and go rogue i'm sure like that happens and you will see i mean especially the temptations and the money and they have king and cyber crime is probably much more than investigating you know i would imagine yeah it sure you were never tempted to cross

that line i don't know maybe you're sober and morally stable but does that happen do people from your side cross the border i know company as we reach north and west in the internal security and we know a lot of cases from around people from cyber security companies of to to for years starting do something about that's why we. use a lot of things that people not support lie detector so why a logical lie detector tests scoring system we talk with a parent of a talk with a teacher and. to decrease the level of priests i agree that drees a possibility that someone from out. in some situation could cross the line that's why you need to do a lot of controlled things that's why in. such a difficult political situation we still have clients from way to unfriend to

contras for example from united states because they know that we do everything that we can to protect employees and. clients from this situation so what do you mean do you have. i'm friendly countries in terms of cyberspace what does that you know that for example. just so security company from russia. least at the end of sanctions leaves. the united states market than the european market because so some contras freights russian cyber security company. saucer like engineers this is some friendly act hostile act so back to crossing the line have you ever personally thought to yourself day i'm so good at cyber crime. i did so only

better than this guy did some time sightseeing that i could be a martyr. in the cyber crime war. i think could be one of the best but i never sold had preferred to die than do something bad to raise my brain i had my you for such strong stand so our government's keeping pace with cyber crimes like they're on top of all this like super advanced cyber criminals now i mean f.b.i. surely has its own team right that cracks to cyber crime but is it on top of things every country has something like three feet i have is a digital crime unit about. it's huge each hour programme for government to fly it was a cyber criminals from the government level you need to worry talented people who

like war quiz the government was told government like old style rules like this dress called. limitation for example in russia if someone would like war are in police or in special forces they could be to travel outside the for russia why the. professional should choose the government work that's why government do a lot of seeks to fight the cyber criminals but the main problem for them they couldn't fight done lots of people do you feel like you have the app or hand in this field. like private companies like yours could actually become. the think in a security fill in cyber crime in the new take over i think in the in the kind of business the private company right now fostered the government in space in internet

in cybersecurity in a car that wildman business and science. private company is built on four dollars of people. to be fostered and you government government has power of day has. the government have. to war or low be other think about the result dollars of people it's nothing can zero so you have said that there are signals that can be detected before cyber crime is committed can you predict where and when the attack next attack is going to be yes how. we started built cybersecurity tools. on the second way of company history. tenure was on there was only investigation business so we know how high costs of the company is and paradox of how business debts.

clients when you see ition for ten years. become printed is that different cybersecurity sinks and old to cyber security things they detect the crime on the final stage when someone already in your network and where you he's going to see geisha knowledge understood that there are many preparations steps and you could write the special algorithms. set up some honeypots in the interim that and collect this. data a lot of loads of big data and you could understand that hey this is better. for for example fission site and you could detect it from the cells tst up on the last and for any crime ballplayer and who are in danger of crime who have such algorithms and could predict the crime of the stage of preparation so you know for most of us it was still don't fully comprehend and the real threat from cyber

criminals because yeah we talk about this yeah you're here explaining to me how this all works but it's still kind of an apparel reality i mean until your bank account is emptied one day we all know for instance that if you leave your things unintended they will get stolen when will we realize and fully understand the extent of that or the danger of cyber crime. generation. usually belief in this when we meet the cyber crime when we see everyone each one of us has to encounter cyber crime in their lives in order to alleviate friend. or family business doesn't work like that with a real crime right like if you don't need to get killed or someone in your family does need to be killing and to believe there are real critical cyber crimes some

think you fall society it's on the twenty s fun side of crime disease and killing and robbery is seeing things. in now society for hundreds and thousands of years for example last year three waves so for us from where a docs like beds are a bit on the cry for dr mania so much become. loose information on that for us for weeks but disorders simple think and a lot of people and a lot of her social rolled so many articles about it about run somewhere how it seemed bold. least the high. probability of this of the uk when the company meet there on swear in there and then after that they belief so. you forgot like in the united states will or education program for children.

information. to cyber crime while the personal protection. more aware of this all right well thank you very much for this interview for this wonderful insight into the world of cyber crime we wish you all the best of luck with all your future endeavors. that say it were talking to. crime fighter cyber security for. discussing what they see will cyber. threats they pose to us and what is being done to rein them in. this edition of the next time.

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