and so it really was success success on that level i think it sold maybe fifteen or twenty thousand records which maybe in the in the big scheme isn't that many but for a record that's recorded on two track that's in the russian language it was huge but their videos were aired on m.t.v. the videos were shown on some other t.v. programs it was just written about all over the place that i think i felt that it was very successful i was totally happy with the results now fast forward thirty five years and some of those musicians that you used to hang out that used to be monitored by the k.g.b. you have now been awarded with medals for their service to their motherland we have a former k.g.b. agent as the russian president who is also said to enjoy russian rock music i wonder if you still follow russian rock. to this day what do you think about what it has become thirty five years later and do you think it would still fascinate you if you were twenty four years old today i think not in the same way and the

difference is that now the world is connected we have the internet and no matter what our politicians are doing or if they're fighting or if they're trying to make some conflict between us the box is open we people american people russian people know what's going on in each other's countries through the internet we can see everything so it's a little bit different than it was in the eighty's but i was in russia two months ago for the first time since two thousand and four and i saw a few people i saw my first husband euro caspari and i loved what he was doing with his music and the same fun the keno symphony and i hung out with boris a little bit and what i love about boris he's exactly who he was thirty years ago and all he wanted to do thirty years ago was record albums and play as much as he could and he's never wavered he's never change thirty years later he's exactly the same and the amazing thing with that with group in chicago when i met him. thirty

or more than thirty years ago and when i would listen to him talk about philosophy and his his views on life and it just affected me the same thing happened two months ago with my daughter we were sitting is the part when boris was talking about life and and some of his thoughts on it and i could see my daughter just melting in taking it all in and she says mesmerized by boris today as i was thirty or so well yes he is a special someone he definitely is but i know very little about. new rock bands in russia you know i left russia in one thousand nine hundred six and back then there really wasn't the internet so i came here i had my my daughter and i really was just connected pretty much by russian all the music and it only came back a few years ago when i decided to make this archive website with all my photos and basically it started that i just had thousands of photos i had made from my russia days all over my house and in boxes and i thought you know i'm going to scan them so that i can throw them away and have them all digitally and when i started to

scan them i thought wow maybe i should make a website maybe russians might like this so i did make my website site joanna sting ray dot com and when the web site came out within the first two or three weeks there were a hundred million i half a million people that went on the web site looking at all the old photos and then i saw how everybody was for that time and it was interesting but you know everything in the arts sometimes in life is cyclical and so i think it's just natural that it's about twenty five years thirty years after the song happened in the eighty's that that i'm not surprised by the interest being renewed while john i really have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. for. the twenty eight team coverage we've signed. one of the greatest goalkeepers of all

time but there was one more question by the way was going to be our coach. guys i know you are nervous he's a huge star among us and the huge amount of pressure you have to go i mean eight percent of the poll we do and we will show the great game the grid to get you out of the rock at the back nobody gets past you we need you to get the ball going let's go. alone and doesn't want to you know and i'm really happy to join the to do for the two thousand and three and world cup in russia meet the special one i was also pretty sure needs to just take the reader beyond the team's latest edition to make up a bigger need to just say look. corruption is everywhere in our analysis i thought was to have hurried over the employment and we see how well we do in this you know especially in the hinterlands so i would say

that the success stories have success story once again because they have achieved the political game the political objective but we didn't we didn't. succeed in achieving the economy go. welcome back to worlds apart with jonathan green american musician and a prominent maker of the soviet the rock scene in the nine hundred eighty s. john i know that there were long periods in your life for it during which you did not visit russia i think it was twelve or maybe even twenty years at a time that you stayed away from this country was there any particular reason for that you know when i left russia i came back to los angeles and i had my daughter and i kind of became a. full time mother and again things have changed you know i was lucky that i lived

through russia really three three different periods i was there under communism i was there through glasnost and i was there in capitalism and communism was really interesting for me because it was kind of you know close but behind closed doors there were parties and all this interesting stuff was happening you know the favorite time was when the russian people seen the happiest because nothing had changed much except for they could speak more freely and say things but then the last period was capitalism and that was a difficult time in the ninety's with capitalism it was it was kind of crazy so when i left russia i refocused my life on being a mother and because there wasn't internet and we weren't connected the way we are today. it just felt like like it was over you know many of my close friends had died obviously victor soy had died and it was just the right time for me to come back to los angeles and then i went on with my life and just for a lot of years i didn't think very often about rush i mean i did get calls two or

three times a year to do interviews certainly around victor birthday was death or about my days so i was connected here and there and i would get phone calls from some of my friends unfortunately they would call me to tell me somebody else had passed away which was very sad every time i had. an insecure seven gakkel call me on the phone i would shake because i was afraid when i picked it up they were going to tell me somebody else passed away and i didn't you know that was just a very hard thing to deal with but you know it just happened that that that periods happen in life and then it's over and you move on and i think there's still a lot of allure in the brokers lifestyle that sense of freedom spontaneity the lack of commitment the lack of oblique gay sions excitement i wonder if you if you miss any of that do you angry people who still leave like. you know i do and do that a little bit because again i live a very good life in los angeles and i have a nice house and i have a car and i can get nice food but i have three different jobs to do that and it's not as a musician it's very tough to make money and make a living as

a musician in the states so i do miss that side of just waking up and you know looking at your and saying what do you want to do i don't know what do you want to do why don't we go see if somebody is there and they don't have a phone so you go and just knock on the door and see if somebody is there and they let you in and they they start making some food they pull down acoustic guitar and everybody starts playing you know the whole world of too soft is is you know is a fun one it's fun to spend your days too soft but i also enjoy you know using my brain and doing work and making good money so it's a balance but yes i do sometimes miss the freedom of being with my friends at that time again i think. i think rock and roll are still have that kind of lifestyle but even today would be different than the eighty's you know i was i was part of this time that i don't think could ever be repeated john and i think there is a lot of nostalgia for that period in russia it's evident in the number of films

and documentaries released all being still being produced about a period of time what do you thing makes the russians dwell on those years so much well i think it's the personality as to who the people were first of all i mean these geniuses boroscope wrench cough syrup you curl can coast to kinship. you know victor sawyer they were amazing people and amazing artists and i think the fact that they did everything there did they did and their music even though they couldn't make money there there's something that feels good about that it was so pure and i think that's what people miss is the pureness of it you know now everybody makes money off their music you know there's not really underground bands because there doesn't need to be everybody can try to go and do it but the fact that at that period they were so creative and so inspiring at a time that they couldn't be on t.v. they couldn't do big tours and they couldn't make money i think again it comes down

to the pureness of who they were as people and as artists listen i'm not for some time i am so lucky that i got to be there at that time and live through it with those incredible people now i'm sure you've heard that this new movie directed by carroll said every week of cold or summer about those years we got a lot of flak from people who actually lived through that period for example from bar is a good bunch of go for not depicting the protagonist relationships that live styles accurately and i think that raises a very interesting question about artistic freedom when an artist is making a movie about another arses how accurate. how detailed he should be do you have any answer any ideas and you know it's a complicated answer most of all because i have not seen the movie but when i was in leningrad two months ago they kept asking me about that when i was being interviewed wanted to know they were trying to show me

a little piece of the film you know for me. again films aren't always accurate they're based on so that's ok i would say without seeing the film so i can't comment exactly on on the summer film but for me i think the most important thing is that when they're portraying somebody that is known and especially somebody that's that's not alive like victor soy to me it's important to stay at least to the character of who victor was you know if i saw a film that was based on victor but it wasn't a real story and they were trade victor from being some not nice guy or doing bad things that would really be off because he was not like that at all you know he was so sweet and so genuine so to me portraying any of the people that are famous i think it's important to at least keep the aura of who they were of i don't know if you would agree with that but to me personally it's very unique in channeling both the discontent with the reality and

a certain appreciation of live at it is you know the little pleasures the little treasures of life there's a lot of tender in this i think a lot of dignity as opposed to solve depreciation in his lyrics. i wonder if you agree with that and how do you think that it was possible to both critique life and love it seem to live a you know he was victor was different than the other musicians that i hung out with there was something different about him and i'm not sure why he didn't understand but he was brilliant you know some of the other musicians knew he was a genius and it wasn't egotistical it was like a fact he knew what they know what in some sense forrest in the eighty's you know. he knew that people thought he was a deity and that he had these special talents and for me victor i don't think he really understood how great his songs were and i think sometimes he was almost a little embarrassed and for victor he was the type that you know we'd be in the

pop mechanics concert we'd both be on stage with all the other musicians and he would look across the street a stage and we could me and smile as if he was saying hey joe isn't this great how cool we get to be part of this pop mechanics era he still always had that little boy in him that was amazed that he got to do all these things and i think that's why victor's music. you know that many so many people can relate to his music because it came from somebody who was in some sense simple not a bad way simple in a good way but by what you're saying he really i think he felt happy and grateful in life and what in the years i spent with him he was very easygoing i never saw him get angry or have some you know big important issues he had to deal with that he was very he was very happy go lucky and enjoyed life to the fullest and i think the songs just came out of him i don't think he was doing anything on purpose to try to write songs that would affect people this way or that way i think it was just how he felt one thing in general about the musicians that i dealt with in the

eighty's and i think when all of the press came out on broadway all the press of course the question at the end of the interview sort of the all want to move here now do they all want to come and i said no they're very tied to russia and mother earth and russia so again i did not feel like the musicians i knew in the eighty's were unhappy being in russia and that they wanted to leave but i found the opposite i thought they were very happy in russia i think they would have loved if they could have made money off their music and could have toured and could have had better equipment but i never found this angriness that they hated living in russia i think they were very proud and very tied to their russian blood let me ask you specifically about that because victor sort sorries widely credited for capturing the desire for change in the soviet union and i think that's maybe why he's here and his personality his music you are experiencing a second comeback in modern day russia but the way the call was expressed in his

literature i thought was very culturally russian because his most famous song was we are awaiting change rather than we are the change which would be a seam i think for many western musicians and i wonder well whether you agree with the russians are indeed more path. massive him in a way of waiting for the change to be delivered to them rather than being the agents of change well first of all i want to bring up that it is not clear that victor wrote that song we're waiting of the change that he meant politically and concrete specific things you know i think i think could be that was almost a spiritual change and i think again what was different from the music in the eighty's and forced british cops music you know it was poetry that you could read things through the line but nothing was concrete nothing was saying we don't like you know this rule in the soviet union we don't like this this is the way it is or

us you want this it was more about awakening people and making people feel and making people think you know i think the music in the eighty's in leningrad to me was much different than say pussy riot because to me pussy riot is a blatant a conscious decision to to make a specific statements about things that they don't like that they want to change and to also shock people it's very different you know i believe that victor and boris and kosta kinship really roll from the soul and from the heart and i don't think they ever thought well gee i don't like this this thing in russia so i'm going to try to write a song that maybe are inspired people to change and i don't i don't think it came from that concrete place i think it came in a deeper more spiritual place so again i don't think i'd say there passive but i think there are. different i am was felt in some ways they were deeper because maybe of how they had to put up with life back then you know what i mean well john

i do know what you mean living in this country after all but we have to leave it there i know that you're writing a book or rather two books on the theory of good luck with god and thank you very much for coming i encourage our readers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again see. same time here at olds apart. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy people foundation let it be an arms race in spearing dramatic development only really i'm

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time after time they were going underground thirteen years to the day of the seven seven bombings in london the deadliest attack on british soil since the one nine hundred eighty eight lockerbie bombing coming up on the show as details of the collective self-defense already f. bombs dropped on syria emerged we offer the member of parliament for aleppo why the british government is once again bombing in the middle east without permission there's tens of thousands of votes for l.g.b. to gloss equality in london today for the annual pride parade as the u.k. really won the war against prejudice we speak to a war veteran who made headlines. intervening in a homophobic attack on a bus in central london last sixteen years and she lived in a neat walled working class issues center stage in a taste of honey cannes film festival when you're in the degree working class

heroine rita touching him who played the baton like her in dr zhivago oliseh more coming up at today's going underground but first arguable breaks it's chaos continues light relief though may be provided by ukrainian president petro poroshenko being hosted by the e.u. on monday in brussels and who is well according to people who opposed those quazi nazi bannock areas in the streets of kiev he is in power because of american diplomats they apparently glued ukraine together after overthrowing its government and enjoyed swearing at the u. so that would be great i think to help glue this thing and have the u.n. help glue it and you know. yes the e.u. says former u.s. assistant secretary of state victoria nuland to the u.s. ambassador in ukraine she's now left the diplomatic service to run a think tank and it should probably be noted that the president. will probably not on monday talk to president poroshenko about the us his role in putting him in power germany's foreign minister at the time frank. now germany's president already

arguably spoke for europe when he said he wasn't impressed by newton's remarks i think what mrs nuland said on the behavior of europeans is unacceptable i think there is no space for criticisms about our conduct regarding ukraine germany's president may sometimes think the u.s. acts on the acceptably over ukraine but that's not the case with britain boris johnson used ukraine to compare russia twenty eighteen to hitler's the olympics in the run up to today's england and russia quarterfinals and the british foreign office is just announced more funding tens of millions of pounds u.k. taxpayer money for ukraine some in the u.k. may be wondering if they are aware that mr poroshenko makes phone calls of his own about the russian minsk settlement to block the. pugin it was going to increase. into schools to do what you do when you actually can push your nutrition and use well while russia nato is turkey as well as iran and even the usa makes

defacto peace settlement deals over syria and that's not the case apparently with the u.k. or at least the u.k. has found reason to bomb syria in the past few weeks without explicit parliamentary authorization it's emerged that the royal air force directly targeted syrian government forces with a five hundred pound paveway for bomb near an anglo-american special forces base on the jordanian iraqi border in syria joining me now via skype from aleppo in syria's far as your hobby he is syria's member of parliament for aleppo and chairman of the syrian federation of industry fires thanks so much for coming back before we get on do the british bombing of your country what hopes do you have and what does the syrian government think about the trumpet in talks on the sixteenth i understand the russian foreign minister as a gay lover of saying that southern syria may come up yes we hold we really hope that they don't really realize that their presence. and they're not really

providing any bit benefit to anyone. as a matter of fact they are they are only escalate the situation this this military base or any military base nato military base in syria is illegal it goes against international law they're not here under any mandate from the united nations so basically they're on a form of illegal occupation this is this is the anglo-american backed and norwegian backed base in iraq by and i want to get to that in a second but i'm going to ask you the european union is condemning your government for attacking what i suppose you would call terrorists in daraa right now yeah yeah definitely we are attacking that or it's all of that i mean the european union is saying that you shouldn't be attacking these people these rebels we're. we are we are rescuing civilians that were where under seventy an occupation from outside i says for god's sakes i says it's important but for us in an area in in that are they just they just joined the if they refuse that

a constellation and join isis the syrian army and the syrians they offered the constellation and then some thousands of people who bear arms they had arms they they handed over their arms and just signed a piece of paper just like this one and they did it in normal citizen again no one no one questioned them to what they thought and took them to brazil and no one punished them but we are fighting terrorists and we are fighting alongside definitely yanks well are also in collaboration with isis as well that is really mortar and we the question should be how did israel allow isis to remain on its border for six years now this is a big question the rest of the areas our guidance most are so mystically we have a mandate we have an obligation to rescue our people they're not all like we're going to lose them so that they can live peacefully in the pretty secular life without any jihad without any islamic jihad you this is what we're doing and this

is what we continue to do we don't care we do what the e.u. says about this well the uses it's against isis day action it may be an ally of israel but it's also against al-qaeda. having said that britain of course leaving the european union what did you make of these reports in the past few days that under to resumes leadership there's been bombing of your country near that area. you know thirty something is deeply involved in supporting terror groups in syria. you know just just mention the her latest pledge to provide millions of pounds to the white helmets and we have all evidence and all documented that the wife moments it's nothing but a civilian arm or if the are for al qaida or the most of the white helmets operate only in those are held areas and high and high challenge and i challenge and i bet

anyone who can independent journalism investigative reporters maybe m.p.'s maybe any activists to come and investigate what i said and you want you will find that what i said is one hundred percent solid proof or wife elements basis most of their rescuers are also qualified that are just that all jihadi when they were under the protection of al qaida in only al qaeda areas and the british government unfortunately keeps providing money to them and this money most of it goes the idea to buy weapons to buy weapons in the black market to buy weapons through the m i six or the other intelligence of a nato intelligence services how did the question is how did these anti missile anti anti airplane advance american. missiles reach a missile areas in many areas that we liberated the syrian army live in a can or these guys themselves they this up but at their surrender we've seen

height that high tech israeli weapons and high tech american weapons that can be used against really a civilian airplanes in utah and in the united states for instance the d t d w d o w missile the whole missile how did the missile reach out by the gangs in syria they bought they went to the supermarket and bought them i mean they used high tech weapons there were delivered from from the middle. that he bases do i got to her dance in order to fight us in order to this man told the star lies syrian state everything that was on the table oh i have been is there we are fighting terror groups and we will continue to raise a man because denies funding any terrorists with their british taxpayer money the white helmets denies being a terrorist group in the pentagon denies helping al qaida but they do back this group might go we're all for our revolutionary come on don't you just tell me who

this group is because i understand british and american special forces are helping them and the russians are saying they seem to be holding refugees hostages to. russia says but who is this group backed by the british taxpayer another of law i mean what do you think there's a militia betting on suggest that u.k. government in london another country comes and says well we will back these moeen we will fight back these are you know the commandos what separate us commandos who are part of part of them they work with a car i mean we have we know these people well they deny they're out of iraq and i did not say that they say they are the vanguard against isis although they also seem to be considered really concerned would say i was out there on look how could they be how can people i says if they already called out what it would isis isis is there look at the map i says this has been done for years at the border no.