their videos were aired on m.t.v. the videos were shown on some other t.v. programs it was just written about all over the place that i think i felt that it was very successful i was totally happy with the results now fast forward thirty five years and some of those musicians that you used to hang out that used to be monitored by the k.g.b. have now been awarded with medals for their service to their motherland we have a former k.g.b. agent as the russian president who is also to enjoy russian rock music i wonder if you still follow russian rock. to this day what do you think about what it has become thirty five years later and do you think it would still fascinates you if you were twenty four years old today i think not in the same way and the difference is that now the world is connected we have the internet and no matter what our politicians are doing or if they're fighting or if they're trying to make some conflict between us the box is open we people american people russian people know

what's going on in each other's countries through the internet we can see everything so it's a little bit different than it was in the eighty's but i was in russia two months ago for the first time since two thousand and four and i saw a few people i saw my first husband euro caspari and i loved what he was doing with his music and to the keno symphony and i hung out with boris a little bit and what i love about boris he's exactly who he was thirty years ago and all he wanted to do thirty years ago was record albums and play as much as he could and he's never wavered he's never change thirty years later he's exactly the same and the amazing thing with with group in chicago when i met him thirty or more than thirty years ago and when i would listen to him talk about philosophy and his his views on life and it just affected me the same thing happened two months ago with my daughter we were sitting as the apartment boris was talking about life and . and some of his thoughts on it and i could see my daughter just melting and

taking it all in and she says mesmerized by boris today as i was thirty or so well yes he is a special someone he definitely is but i know very little about. new rock bands in russia you know i left russia in one thousand nine hundred six and back then there really wasn't the internet so i came here i had my my daughter and i really was just connected pretty much by russian all the music and it only came back a few years ago when i decided to make this archive website with all my photos and basically it started that i just had thousands of photos i had made from my russia days all over my house and in boxes and i thought you know i'm going to scan them so that i can throw them away and have them all digitally and when i started to scan them i thought wow maybe i should make a website maybe russians might like this so i did make my website site joanna sting ray dot com and when the website came out within the first two or three weeks there were a hundred million i half a million people that went on the website looking at all the old photos and then i

saw how everybody was for that time and it was interesting but you know everything in the arts sometimes in life is so cyclical and so i think it's just natural that it's about twenty five years thirty years after the saw happened in the eighty's that that i'm not surprised by the interest being renewed well john i really have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. ministry's police school says in the city administrations of many countries depend on one cool peroration that does one like will be one of the boys go to. the beat on this gun was going to guns in the woods as if you did you know going into this you must assume like them. you don't know. much security when you have

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sure it was the home of the view. of boise more. variables in the bottom of most of the money for the for more people for we'll talk to you. are. welcome back to worlds apart the jonathan green american musician and a prominent speaker of the sylvia to rock scene in the nineteen eighties john i know that there were a long period. during which you did not visit russia i think it was twelve or maybe even twenty years at a time that you stayed away from this country was there any particular reason for that you know when i left russia i came back to los angeles and i had my daughter

and i kind of became a full time mother and again things had changed you know i was lucky that i lived through russia really three different periods i was there under communism i was there through glass dos and i was there in capitalism and communism was really interesting for me because it was kind of you know close but behind closed doors there were parties and all this interesting stuff was happening you know the favorite time was when the russian people seen the happiest because nothing had changed much except for they could speak more freely and say things but then the last period was capitalism and that was a difficult time in the ninety's with capitalism it was it was kind of crazy so when i left russia i refocused my life on being a mother and because there wasn't internet and we weren't connected the way we are today. it just felt like like it was over you know many of my close friends had died obviously victor soy had died and it was just the right time for me to come back to los angeles and then i went on with my life and just for

a lot of years i didn't think very often about rush i mean i did get calls two or three times a year to do interviews certainly around victor birthday was death or about my days so i was connected here and there and i would get phone calls from some of my friends unfortunately they would call me to tell me somebody else had passed away which was very sad every time i had you know social of minsk yourself a gakkel called me on the phone i would shake because i was afraid when i picked it up they were going to tell me somebody else passed away and i didn't you know that was just a very hard thing to deal with but you know it just happened that that that periods happen in life and then it's over and you move on and i think there's still a lot of allure in the broker's lifestyle that sense of freedom spontaneity the lack of commitment the lack of oblique gay sions excitement i wonder if you if you miss any of that do you angry people who still leave like. you know i do and do that a little bit because again i live a very good life in los angeles and i have a nice house and i have a car and i can get nice food but i have three different jobs to do that and it's

not as a musician it's very tough to make money and make a living as a musician in the states so i do miss that side of just waking up and you know looking at your and saying what do you want to do i don't know what do you want to do why don't we go see if somebody is there and they don't have a phone so you go and just knock on the door and see if somebody is there and they let you in and they they start making some food they pull down acoustic guitar and everybody starts playing you know the whole world of too soft is is you know is a fun one it's fun to spend your days to saka but i also enjoy you know using my brain and doing work and making good money so it's a balance but yes i do sometimes miss the freedom of being with my friends at that time again i think. i think rock'n'roll are still have that kind of lifestyle but even today would be different than the eighty's you know i was i was part of this time that i don't think could ever be repeated john and i think there is

a lot of nostalgia for the period in russia it's advocate in the number of films and documentaries release still being still being produced about the period of time what do you thing makes the russians dwell on those years so much well i think it's the personality as to who the people were first of all i mean these geniuses cough syrup curl can coast to kinship. you know victor sawyer they were amazing people and amazing artists and i think the fact that they did everything there did they did and their music even though they couldn't make money there there's something that feels good about that it was so pure and i think that's what people miss is the pureness of it you know now everybody makes money off their music you know there's not really underground bands because there doesn't need to be everybody can try to go and do it but the fact that at that period they were so creative and so inspiring at a time that they couldn't be on t.v.

they couldn't do big tours and they couldn't make money i think again it comes down to the pureness of who they were as people and as artists listen i'm not for some time i am so lucky that i got to be there at that time and live through it with those incredible people now i'm sure you've heard that this new movie directed by carroll said every city of cold lives or some more about those years when you got a lot of flak from people who actually lived through that period for example from barry's good bench you go for not depicting the protagonist relationships that live styles accurately and i think that raises a very interesting question about artistic freedom when an artist is making a movie about another arses how accurate. how detailed he should be do you have any answer any ideas on that you know it's a complicated answer most of all because i have not seen the movie but when i was

in leningrad two months ago they kept asking me about that when i was being interviewed wanted to know they were trying to show me a little piece of the film you know for me. again films aren't always accurate they're based on so that's ok i would say without seeing the film so i can't comment exactly on on the summer film but for me i think the most important thing is that when they're portraying somebody that is known and especially somebody that's that's not alive like victor soy to me it's important to stay at least to the character of who victor was you know if i saw a film that was based on victor but it wasn't a real story and they were trade victor for being some not nice guy or doing bad things that would really be off because he was not like that at all you know he was so sweet and so genuine so to me portraying any of the people that are famous i think it's important to at least keep the aura of who they were of i don't know if you would agree with that but to me personally it's very unique in channeling both

the discontent with the reality and a certain appreciation of live at it is you know the little pleasures the little treasures of life there's a lot of tenderness i think a lot of dignity as opposed to solve depreciation in his lyrics. i wonder if you agree with that and how do you think that it was possible to both critique life and love it seem to live a you know he was victor was different than the other musicians that i hung out with there was something different about him and i'm not sure why he didn't understand but he was brilliant you know some of the other musicians circuit knew he was a genius and it wasn't egotistical it was like a fact he knew what they know what in some sense forrest in the eighty's you know he. he knew that people thought he was a deity and that he had these special talents and for me victor i don't think he really understood how great his songs were and i think sometimes he was almost

a little embarrassed and for victor he was the type that you know we'd be in the pop mechanics concert we'd both be on stage with all the other musicians and he would look across the street stage and we could me and smile as if he was saying hey joe isn't this great how cool we get to be part of this pop mechanics era he still always had that little boy in him that was amazed that he got to do all these things and i think that's why victor's music. you know that many so many people can relate to his music because it came from somebody who was in some sense simple not a bad way simple in a good way but by what you're saying he really i think he felt happy and grateful in life and what in the years i spent with him he was very easygoing i never saw him get angry or have some you know big important issues he had to deal with that he was very he was very happy go lucky and enjoyed life to the fullest and i think the songs just came out of him i don't think he was doing anything on purpose to

try to write songs that would affect people this way or that way i think it was just how he felt one thing in general about the musicians that i dealt with in the eighty's and i think when all of the press came out on broadway all the press of course the question at the end of the interview sort of the all want to move here now do they all want to come and i said no they're very tied to russia and mother earth and russia so again i did not feel like the musicians i knew in the eighty's were unhappy being in russia and that they wanted to leave but i found the opposite i thought they were very happy in russia i think they would have loved if they could have made money off their music and could have toured and could have had better equipment but i never found this angriness that they hated living in russia i think they were very proud and very tied to their russian blood let me ask you specifically about that because victor sort widely credited for capturing the desire for change in the soviet union and i think that's maybe why he's here and

his personality his music you are experiencing a second comeback in modern day russia but the way the call was expressed in his lyrics i thought was very culturally russian because his most famous song was we are awaiting change rather than we are the change which would be a seam i think for many western musicians and i wonder well whether you agree with the russians are indeed more. massive him in a way of waiting for the change to be delivered to them rather than being the agents of change well first of all i want to bring up that it is not clear that victor wrote that song we're waiting of the change that he meant politically and concrete specific things you know i think i think could be that was almost a spiritual change and i think again what was different from the music in the eighty's and forced british cops music you know it was poetry that you could read things through the line but nothing was concrete nothing was saying we don't like

you know this rule in the soviet union we don't like this this is the way it is to russia want this it was more about awakening people and making people feel and making people think you know i think the music in the eighty's in leningrad to me was much different than say pussy riot because to me pussy riot is a blatant a conscious decision to make specific statements about things that they don't like that they want to change and to also shock people it's a very different you know i believe that victor and boris and kosta kinship really roll from the soul and from the heart and i don't think they ever thought well gee i don't like this this thing in russia so i'm going to try to write a song that maybe are inspired people to change and i don't i don't think it came from that concrete place i think it came in in a deeper more spiritual place so again i don't think i'd say there passive but i

think there are. different i am most felt in some ways they were deeper because maybe of how they had to put up with life back then geno what i mean well john i do know what you mean living in this country after all but we have to leave it there i know that you're writing a book or rather two books on the theory of good luck and thank you very much for coming i encourage our readers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same. place same time here at olds apart.

not right now but i wonder how much i don't know that i'm out of luck though because but i'm not out of the money out of the money goes down when i met my. this was a good time to. try to move there i'm just don't know mom. was that i want to get high enough money not for not. for x. chanting of the old people we believe to be here. oh my kids i don't want the bible so john a whole lot of other mothers are taught a mother how do it all the kids are there with them i'm a little like a mad builder looking at the people i don't want to put out

a look at my work party when i don't know the mother blogger. croatia or are into the sunday finals of the world cup after winning us thrilling penalty shootout against host russia i call despite the loss russia found celebrating long into the night out of their team defied all expectations to reach the last eight. and then use the shake the weak u.k. or sorry to say two people in critical condition in hospital were exposed to the nerve agent nabil chalk and put the finger at russia despite scant information. i'm kate partridge and you can probably tell by my voice it's the day after the night before here in russia after timor gripping well cup quarter final matches

that's cross well now i should say to our special studio in st petersburg where the celebrations also continued way into the night i decided to do you hope in this and the surrounding. piece but see the world wherever you're watching us from today i'm very well thank you from people like you here in russia is the capsule that i will kids here with only about last night what a roller coaster of emotions we went through during the match between russia and croatia we had a bit of a crowd with us here didn't we. and all of us the current crew included got a little bit wild. with the on to.

the i was the i woud be. and those scenes here were no exception to the thing going on around the country apart from those lucky fifty thousand or so who had tickets to the such a stadium millions were watching the game glued to their screens not just here in the host country but also in croatia. wow i

. was. i. was really i was. certainly had a thrilling charge time of it fighting spirit that every minute of the game the teams will one one off the normal time it was two extra time the players giving their all all their emotions all the energy on the football field let's see how that drama unfolded. live had i was living i

was. one not one not mario fernandez had went in and i think both lost our composure and we did yeah because it when they went to one that we just didn't expect them to get back into the game. as you were quite rightly saying is you know when you do you go into extra time which is i think tactically what both teams want to go taking off some of their attacking play as. they wanted to push out into action time hopefully get that killer pass the penalties let's have a look at the table always to cherish a goal. it's the rocket goal open the scoring. replies one minutes before. taking the lead with that front man there is equalize he said in the crowd here absolutely. crazy really wasn't it was a quiet motion you see it was. you know the game one will cherish for you fantastic all have been found the full goal of the tournament was disappointing

a little bit that russia couldn't just keep it tight keep it together for ten minutes initially they had to drop back so called parking the bus which is what you're supposed to do manage the game but i feel maybe this is out of the show we've discussed there's something called something a bit of soft coal to concede just before half time and then you know they can see we looked at each other and said we're also going to get back into this and then up pops for the hundreds to make amends for his earlier era but it was a really really they showed a lot of fight in the hearts of russia last night i think on the balance of things like ray she did have some slightly very good chances to kill the game off ali on bay gave it all as well the players at the end you know some muscular injuries you mentioned muscle crowd going to find it very tough against england but they certainly deserve you know a shot at getting at the final they've got the teamwork they've got the individual talent and they're the moderates as rockets as my magic it should cetera they're going to give england a real run for their money i do feel they are and i think you mentioned the record well that they were one of the teams as you said before the tournament finds. they

have a chance but i think they're going to have to manage that team really tough because last night was really draining on them and eventually so close to those penalty kicks the second game they've had to take two penalties and actually we can see how that dramatic shootout unfolded. thank. me. thank. you we. score such a disappointing defeat for the russians they were so close to the semifinals but as

you were saying the best team one in your opinion how did you how did you analyze croatia's approach to the go gratian found this one of the toughest times so i feel very similar to going to extend mark in fact be swept aside in the group stages argentina i said they weren't really challenged by those teams that they could really enjoy their game get some very good goal some really flowing attacking play tours in a village a team a game really a game of cat and mouse you know they were playing with argentineans and really trying to get beautiful football going the russians gave them a very tough time the played from the back getting them on the counterattack starting off you know the first half really coming off the blocks. did find itself perhaps the element of fatigue as you say setting in which is going to be a factor of course in the game as well it's a bit of a luck is there for sure the penalties are with such a lot of players. you know on both sides they spoke about the pressure of the penalties on one side turned out to be psychologically stronger the other that was

the creation let's take a look at some reactions from the russians on that. you know which we had very high hopes for this game but we couldn't achieve everything we'd hoped but we're sad about it we did well in this championship but in the end when you're here in the quarterfinals you want to go further and we couldn't get the only thing we want is to get better and to take the team to the highest possible level it was so that russia played a very good game in the first half in particular they surprised us mahler's and i pressed this alone we were unable to build our games crams our style and scramble to look a larger amount of the match just like the national team of creation fans also had good things to say about the russian team. see today football one very proud of the russians because rich and. quarterfinals is not easy to blink is the russians is really tough i mean i mean you know they play the things that i do

mean us i mean one hundred twenty minutes and it was scored twice we should win that game you know jimmy was. but one spain couldn't do the scene or you know what that means. i mean but i want the for respect a lot of respect it was a great game the fans are upbeat after just a few minutes of down cost grief many went on to celebrate throughout the night people wondering but for the fans and here behind us quite late into the evening they've also got good reason to their team defied all expectations all pre-tournament predictions they became national heroes just over the last two weeks or so overnight thousands of fans for doubt their pride and gratitude in the streets as he goes off reports. used on human rights commission are still in a democracy it just didn't you know with time i got the nicest ana lucia that she's much and i think brandish my legally and fortune got to give the only thing that is now she come monday next commanded by she i'm allowed to let it get even yes.

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