running to make some conflict between us the boxes open we people american people russian people know what's going on in each other's countries through the internet we can see everything so it's a little bit different than it was in the eighty's but i was in russia two months ago for the first time since two thousand and four and i saw a few people i saw my first husband euro caspari and i loved what he was doing with his music and the fun the keno symphony and i hung out with boris a little bit and what i love about boris he's exactly who he was thirty years ago and all he wanted to do thirty years ago was record albums and play as much as he could and he's never wavered he's never change thirty years later he's exactly the same and the amazing thing with that with group in chicago when i met him thirty or more than thirty years ago and when i would listen to him talk about philosophy and his his views on life and it just affected me the same thing happened two months ago with my daughter we were sitting is the part and boris was talking about life

and and some of his thoughts on it and i could see my daughter just melting and taking it all in and she says missed my eyes by boris today as i was thirty or so well yes he's a special someone he definitely is but i know very little about. new rock bands in russia you know i left russia in one thousand nine hundred six and back then there really wasn't the internet so i came here i had my my daughter and i really was just connected pretty much by russian all the music and it only came back a few years ago when i decided to make this archive website with all my photos and basically it started that i just had thousands of photos i had made from my russia days all over my house and in boxes and i thought you know i'm going to scan them so that i can throw them away and have them all digitally and when i started to scan them i thought wow maybe i should make a website maybe russians might like this so i did make my website site joanna sting ray dot com and when the web site came out within the first two or three weeks there were one hundred million. half

a million people that went on the web site looking at all the old photos and then i saw how everybody was for that time and it was interesting but you know everything in the arts sometimes in life is so sickle call and so i think it's just natural but it's about twenty five years thirty years after the saw happened in the eighty's that that i'm not surprised by the interest being renewed well john i really have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. there are one other comment on other. love the idea that not out of the mouth of the money get a little mad at each other. this was

a good time to. try to move. that you know how to not why not gender again for a changing of the old people we believe you. know my kids i don't want the bubble so johnny the audio of the moment i want to tell them about how do a lot of kids or is it a little bit on the moon like you might be old enough to go out to the people who don't want to put out a look tomorrow party with the mother blow that it. corruption

is everywhere in our in our society we see you have our greed over the employment we see you have. beaten this you know especially in the hinterlands so i would say that our success story is a success story once again because we have achieved through. the body to get our job but we didn't do that we didn't. succeed in choosing to go to be good. welcome back to worlds apart to be john a stingray an american musician and a prominent speaker of the soviet the rock scene in the nine hundred eighty s. john i know that there were long periods in your life for it during which you did not visit russia i think it was twelve or maybe even twenty years at a time that you stayed away from this country was there any particular reason for

that you know when i left russia i came back to los angeles and i had my daughter and i kind of became a full time mother and again things had changed you know i was lucky that i lived through russia really three three different periods i was there under communism i was there through glass dos and i was there and capitalism and communism was really interesting for me because it was kind of you know closed but behind closed doors there were parties and all this interesting stuff was happening you know the favorite time was when the russian people seen the happiest because nothing it changed much except for they could speak more freely and say things but then the last period was capitalism and that was a difficult time in the ninety's with capitalism it was it was kind of crazy so when i left russia i refocused my life on being a mother and because there wasn't internet and we weren't connected the way we are today. it just felt like like it was over you know many of my close friends had died obviously victor soy had died and it was just the right time for me to come

back to los angeles and then i went on with my life and just for a lot of years i didn't think very often about rush i mean i did get calls two or three times a year to do interviews certainly around the birth there was death or about my days so i was connected here and there and i would get phone calls from some of my friends unfortunately they would call me to tell me somebody else had passed away which was very sad every time i had you know social of minsk yourself a gaggle called me on the phone i would shake because i was afraid when i picked it up they were going to tell me somebody else passed away and i didn't you know that was just a very hard thing to deal with but you know it just happened that that that periods happen in life and then it's over and you move on and i think there's still a lot of allure in the broker's lifestyle that sense of freedom spontaneity the lack of commitment the lack of oblique geisha and excitement i wonder if you if you miss any of that do you angry people who still leave like. you know i do and do that a little bit because again i live a very good life life in los angeles and i have a nice house and i have

a car and i can get nice food but i have three different jobs to do that and it's not as a musician it's very tough to make money and make a living as a musician in the states so i do miss that side of just waking up and you know looking at your and saying what do you want to do i don't know what do you want to do why don't we go see if somebody is there and they don't have a phone so you go and just knock on the door and see if somebody is there and they let you in and they they start making some food they pull down acoustic guitar and everybody starts playing you know the whole world of too soft is is you know is a fun one it's fun to spend your days to saka but i also enjoy you know using my brain and doing work and making good money so it's a balance but yes i do sometimes miss the freedom of being with my friends at that time again i think. i think rock'n'roll are still have that kind of lifestyle but even today would be different than the eighty's you know i was i was part of this

time that i don't think could ever be repeated john and i think there is a lot of nostalgia for that period in russia it's avid and in the number of films and documentaries released all being still being produced about the period of time what do you thing makes the russians dwell on those years so much well i think it's the personality as to who the people were first of all i mean these geniuses boroscope bench cough syrup you curl can coast to kinship. you know victor toy they were amazing people and amazing artists and i think the fact that they did everything there did they did and their music even though they couldn't make money there there's something that feels good about that it was so pure and i think that's what people miss is the pureness of it you know now everybody makes money off their music you know there's not really underground bands because there doesn't need to be everybody can try to go and do it but the fact that at that period they were so creative and so inspiring at

a time that they couldn't be on t.v. they couldn't do big tours and they couldn't make money i think again it comes down to the pureness of who they were as people and as artists listen i'm not for some time i am so lucky that i got to be there at that time and live through it with those incredible people now i'm sure you've heard that this new movie directed by carroll said every city every new of cold lives or some more about those years when you got a lot of flack from people who actually lived through that period for example from barry's good bench you go for not depicting the protagonist relationships that live styles accurately and i think that raises a very interesting question about artistic freedom when an artist is making a movie about another arses how accurate. how detailed he should be do you have any any ideas and you know it's a complicated answer most of all because i have not seen the movie but when i was

in leningrad two months ago they kept asking me about that when i was being interviewed wanted to know they were trying to show me a little piece of the film you know for me. again films aren't always accurate they're based on so that's ok i would say without seeing the film so i can't comment exactly on on the summer film but for me i think the most important thing is that when they're portraying somebody that is known and especially somebody that's that's not alive like victor soy to me it's important to stay at least to the character of who victor was you know if i saw a film that was based on victor but it wasn't a real story and there were a trade victor from being some not nice guy or doing bad things that would really be off because he was not like that at all you know he was so sweet and so genuine so to me portraying any of the people that are famous i think it's important to at least keep the aura of who they were of i don't know if you would agree with that

but to me personally it's sort of a very unique in channeling both the discontent with the reality and a certain appreciation of live at it is you know the little pleasures the little treasures of life there's a lot of tender in this i think a lot of dignity as opposed to solve depreciation in his lyrics. i wonder if you agree with that and how do you think that was possible to both critique life and love it seem to live a you know he was victor was different than the other musicians that i hung out with there was something different about him and i'm not sure why he didn't understand but he was brilliant you know some of the other musicians circuit knew he was a genius and it wasn't egotistical it was like a fact he knew what they know what in some sense forrest in the eighty's you know. he knew that people thought he was a d.d. and that he had these special talents and for me victor i don't think he really understood how great his songs were and i think sometimes he was almost

a little embarrassed and for victor he was the type that you know we'd be in the pop mechanics concert we'd both be on stage with all the other musicians and he would look across the street a stage and we could me and smile as if he was saying hey joe isn't this great how cool we get to be part of this pop mechanics era he still always had that little boy in him that was amazed that he got to do all these things and i think that's why victor's music. you know that many so many people can relate to his music because it came from somebody who was in some sense simple not a bad way simple in a good way but by what you're saying he really i think he felt happy and grateful in life and what in the years i spent with him he was very easygoing i never saw him get angry or have some you know big important issues he had to deal with that he was very he was very happy go lucky and enjoyed life to the fullest and i think

the songs just came out of him i don't think he was doing anything on purpose to try to write songs that would affect people this way or that way i think it was just how he felt one thing in general about the musicians that i dealt with in the eighty's and i think when all of the press came out on broadway all the press of course the question at the end of the interview sort of the all want to move here now do they all want to come and i said no they're very tied to russia and mother earth and russia so again i did not feel like the musicians i knew in the eighty's were unhappy being in russia and that they wanted to leave but i found the opposite i thought they were very happy in russia i think they would have loved if they could have made money off their music and could have toured and could have had better equipment but i never found this angriness that they hated living in russia i think they were very proud and very tied to their russian blood let me ask you specifically about that because victor sort soyuz widely credited for capturing the desire for change in the soviet union and i think that's maybe why he's here and

his personality his music you are experiencing a second comeback in modern day russia but the way that call was expressed in his lyrics i thought was very culturally russian because his most famous song was we are awaiting change rather than we are the change which would be a seam i think for many western musicians and i wonder well whether you agree with the russians are indeed more. massive him in a way of waiting for the change to be delivered to them rather than being the agents of change well first of all i want to bring up that it is not clear that victor wrote that song we're waiting of the change that he meant politically and concrete specific things you know i think i think could be that was almost a spiritual change and i think again what was different from the music in the eighty's and force the bridge cops music you know it was poetry that you could read

things through the line but nothing was concrete nothing was saying we don't like you know this rule in the soviet union we don't like this this is the way it is to us you want this it was more about awakening people and making people feel and making people think you know i think the music in the eighty's in leningrad to me was much different than say pussy riot because to me pussy riot is a blatant a conscious decision to to make specific statements about things that they don't like that they want to change and to also shock people it's a very different you know i believe that victor and boris and kosta kinship really roll from the soul and from the heart and i don't think they ever thought well gee i don't like this this thing in russia so i'm going to try to write a song that maybe that inspired people to change it i don't i don't think it came from that concrete place i think it came in in a deeper more spiritual place so again i don't think i'd say their passage but i

think they're. different to felt in some ways they were deeper because maybe of how they had to put up with life back then you know what i mean well john i do know what you mean living in this country after all but we have to leave it there i know that you're writing a book or rather two books on the theory of good luck and thank you very much for coming i encourage our readers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again see. same time here but all the parts. are. there. are.

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debt downwards they want our. croatia join england france and belgium in the world cup semifinals after edging a nailbiting penalty shootout against host russia. was despite the loss russia found celebrated long into the night and gave their team a hero's welcome back in moscow after they defied all expectations to reach the last eight. and in the news that shaped the week u.k. authorities say two people in critical condition in hospital were exposed to the nerve agent not me and point the finger at russia despite scant information so far .

i'm kate part of your welcome to r.t. international after a night of celebrations here in russia following two more enthralling well cup quarter finals. full. and that the host nation lost out on sport kicks to croatia festivities here in moscow went on long into saturday night the russian team has returned from sochi and beat on stage at the fine's own evolutionary stadium and i thank the fans for their support. i think some of the celebrations that i've seen here that they did win over see the amount of people whose hands i got to go up to and shake and say look i'm sorry as an english far life experience this myself all too many times we are going to have

polled think what you'll hear at the moment is the celebrations there as people are watching the only fun first video not only the penalties against. they put the play is themselves all right i think on the stage behind me there's a low for these guys here many times we've seen when a team goes out on penalties it's the coach to claim it's a play it's a play there's nobody to play amongst the sloth they really do you know them selves to the russian people there was said to myself included a lot of people saying they were going to go out in the first stage of this tournament the first day of showed us old wrong we look at the likes of the head zuba the the be almost bit here is there if you look at chinese ship the the striker would be outside of his big school ring so many beautiful girls we look at the passion a lot of months ago if the guy well as we understand he seemed really damaged his then his hamstring in the first game he came back in the the look on his face as he

was as he was playing to the rest of the match this is a lot to know that these players know i was covering russian football way back ten years ago when they go to the thing you do they go for in the european championships there's a little of that site i would say this particular see this particular team has not massively wonderful experience for me it's a really nice feeling oversleep people are slightly deflated but still they're celebrating a team it really has done people proud. well there was a roller coaster of emotions across russia cheering that lost a game in such a as the host nation were not on penalties by croatia down your holkins a nice around a witnessed all the drama for the r.t. special football studio next to the habitants museum in st petersburg. thank you. thank you.

thank be dyslexic well wherever you watch us from today i am very welcoming you from people like you here in russia small capsule that i will give here with essentially about last night what a roller coaster of emotions we went through during the match between russia and croatia we had a bit of a crowd with us head on the way in palace square and all of us the current crew included got a little bit wild. was the one who were was the i woud be. and those scenes here were no exception to the thing going on around the country

apart from those lucky fifty thousand or so who had tickets to the such a stadium millions were watching the game glued to their screens not just here in the host country but also in croatia. i was. and. it. was good and. it. was. certainly had a thrilling charge time of it fighting spirit that every minute of the game it

seems one one off the normal time it was. extra time the players giving their all all their emotions all the energy on the football field let's see how that drama unfolded on at least he. was in the week i. think i've had he want to be the table always to cherish. such moment is the rocket goal open the school ring. replies you know minutes before. taking the lead with not fun and there's equalized side in the crowd here absolutely. crazy right who was in it

was a quiet motion you see and it was disappointing a little bit rush a clue just keep it tight keep it together for ten minutes and initially they had to drop back so called hawking the boss which is what you're supposed to do manage the game but i feel maybe this is out of the show we've discussed there's something called something a bit of self can see just before halftime and then you know they can see we looked at each other and said we're also going to get back into this and then i'll pop fernandez to make amends for this era but it was a really really they showed a lot of fight in the heart. i think on the balance of things the creation did have some sort of a very good start is to kill the game off ali are they gave it their all as well the players at the end you know some muscular injuries or mention muscle crowd are going to find it very tough against england but they certainly deserve you know a shot at getting at the final they've got the teamwork they've got the individual talent and they're the moderates as rakesh is my magic it should cetera they're going to give england

a real run for their money i do feel they are and i think you mentioned for a while but they were one of the teams that you said before the tournament i find. they have a chance but i think they're going to have to manage that team because last i was really draining on the bench and so close to those penalty kicks the second game they've had to take two penalties and i actually we can see how that's about to shoot up unfold was going to in the with a in the with a and with a in the with a migration did find itself perhaps the element of fatigue as you say setting in

which is going to be a factor of course in the game as well it's a bit of luck isn't there for sure the penalties are always such a lottery out there players. you know on both sides they spoke about the pressure of the penalties i was in which we had very high hopes for this game but we couldn't achieve everything we'd hoped but we're sad about it we did well in this championship but in the end when you're here in the quarterfinals you want to go further and we couldn't it was going to russia played a very good game in the first half and particularly surprised us mollies and i pressed this a lot we were unable to build our game. most of it is a bit of cramps our style scrambles the. of annoyed thousands of files pulled out their pride and gratitude in the streets as he goes off reports it has been a nail biter of a game and a lot of dreams are being shattered tonight and i have to apologize cadre we. my voice.

there is still very very high here. because. the. authority. of the future. it's a big mystery it's a big it's of wonderful i want to prove. it's a wonderful. thing was the people ask me the russian fans they're so happy with the performance of their team after rule they've given them everything that they could have hoped for playing in the quarter finals of the world cup this is something that russia hasn't done in force used every single russian found they did not lose their faith until the last strike until the last kick by the creation and that either i can fade the russian goalkeeper did not manage to say.