in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties that sink in but wait a minute i thought we were told over and over again about sarin gas chlorine and blood near and test revealing deadly nerve agents i mean heck even the white house even the white house and april thirteenth announced that according to u.s. analysis a significant body of information points to the regime using chlorine in its bombardment of duma while some additional information points to the regime also using the nerve agent sarin. now while the o.p.c. w. did discover that chlorinated organic chemicals were indeed present at two locations they made very clear that they have not made any determination on who was ultimately responsible and that they are still investigating but you know when you got one hundred tomahawk missiles burning a hole in your war machine is part of why wait a few months why wait till july for an investigation of evidence to come out when

you can launch them in april shoot first and ask questions later is the order of the day when you're not watching the hawks. what. it looks like. it's like. as you get to the bottom of it. like you know that i got. this. welcome we're going to watching the hawks i am tyro been turfed downtown for a while this type of shoot first ask questions later on no evidence let's now go to great point great point i mean i was there for them any other day i think it's interesting because this report. outside of other reports that we've seen which was

a lot of conjecture it was what we think best we think that's well reports say reports there were this report this is is different because one it doesn't rely on social media videos as with preliminary reports that we've seen it includes a verified full o.p.c. chain of command for a chain of custody for its evidence which we obviously don't see and the videos. and that was part of it because i actually went naturally studied the site figuring out an analysis from from a you tube video and it's based on eyewitness accounts and evidence collected at the site of the attack which is completely different than what we have so far which is what i think is interesting is when you say which they need to see actual evidence why that's such a scary thing to some people they go you shouldn't have to wait till it's investigated i might but because you should that's. because of the situations that things are not so clear and easy as they claim to be because you know tab if you wait until evidence properly has been collected. intelligence bodies you know make

their assessments and things of that nature but then that it might come out the way you want it there might not show that it was all of it was all to rebel you know like you might not show what you wanted to so a lot of these a lot of these groups and organizations would rather just jump the gun yeah you know because it's like that it's like well we can get because it's all it's really a battle of perception in the media right at the end of the day all the little syrian being especially those syria chemical weapons attacks i mean those were the you know the big dollar sign of ad dollars for and i'm sorry maybe i'm being cold and heartless about it but i didn't see that they cared i see that they saw dollar signs for ad dollars and that's why they talked about it a lot and that's why that was oh i'm horrified i'm shocked i'm horrified i'm shocked i'm like when you're not reading the news every day right because i'm more if i'm shocked every day not just on the day is that the perfectly you know taken in that picture of the supposed that or the video that just tears at your

heartstrings but you don't ask who's really abusing me shoulder and as of the people in the video or what's going on well it what's really interesting is when you when you look at what the o.p.c. w. and what the report has revealed you know there's some very important information much reported suspected chemical weapons facilities in syria the report actually states that from the information gathered. the you know from the two places on site visits they made to these reported chemical weapons facilities there was no indication of either a facility being involved in the production of chemical warfare agents or that toxic chemicals were even made there at all you were even in the place that all of it again you see these holes being punched in which are the things that i guess really were dropped bombs over so you know i mean i think it's just really important that we point out to the audience that these aren't things that we're just saying why aren't they they're like i saw them on c.s.i. once these are things that are actually very basic they don't need to be there in a perfect case and about why people wait for them and good journalists wait for

that and so they you know cry. say. you know it's interesting i'm just saying here's a really interesting too is there's a line in the report that i actually like zero heads. pointed out and the line goes is that the noted that the persons affected in the report incidences may in some instances have been exposed to some type of non persis to an irritating substance not meaning they were there they're being irritated but not by something that chemical that's not persistent this could be consistent actually with reports with sources that robert fisk the reporter that actually went there and everyone jumped on him saying oh i'm going to go there and say there was an attack. where he came back and said he talked a lot of doctors we saw videos of doctors there who said actually it looked like people were suffering from oxygen starvation as opposed to a chemical strike you know what you are and that's why they were in that hospital and then somebody came in and suddenly stopped the calls and i agree with will see

what the o.c.p. w. brings up next. the six foot five powerhouse of greenwich village folk scene dave van ronk enjoyed telling people that is heroes work donald duck lennon and w.c. fields biographer robert shelton would say that wrong resembled an unmade bed strewn with books record jackets pipes empty whiskey bottles lines from secure a poet's fingerpicks and broken guitar strings which. was accurate dave van ronk also believed that he was being surveilled by the united states government due to his political beliefs and his friendships with some of the most important names in the mccarthy era american folk scene and while many laughed at dave's assertion calling him paranoid it turns out he was right journalist aaron j. leonard was discovered has discovered through a freedom of information act request that the f.b.i. was indeed surveilling dave van ronk from one nine hundred sixty three intell at least one nine hundred seventy three informants were reporting of membership in an

offshoot organization of the socialist workers party which felt the party was not radical enough and should be saturating unions the newly released files show that the f.b.i. reviewed copies of dave enron's albums self made sure that wrong was kept from movie renu in his merchant marine union membership questioned his neighbors tapped his phone and eventually put him on the f.b.i.'s security and that's divan rock folk musician a guitar player was put on a list that at the time meant in the event of a national emergency his arrest and detention would be required what makes this case so important is that it's a silly story of our past but a precursor to our present journalists are being put on a list by the department of homeland security prisons will claim ownership of an inmate's are to bury it when they are criticizes the prison system american censorship is alive and well in two thousand and eighteen just as it was in one nine hundred sixty three when folk music iconoclasts dave van ronk was sipping

whiskey songs about teddy bear picnics and apparently scaring the pants off the f.b.i. with lyrics like excuse me ladies and gentlemen would you kindly let me pass on the slip and slide yes yes yes. you know if you fellows. do. you know there's music. and we've seen the f.b.i. especially the arrow follow a lot of pretty. you know what those of both singers a dude like you said was a teddy bear pick teddy bear paper bag make it a lovely one of his money and you don't why what is so dangerous why would j. edgar what is so dangerous about folk music that's the question. ok. sure it's ok never in my life in the you know twenty some odd years ago when i sat sipping whisky with dave van ronk i say what i did i ever think i would be sitting here with this why is folk music so because protest songs and especially at that

time they tended to be about unions and workers and that's what most of the folk music is about it's about workers about working class and the thing is people forget a speech they forget a leaflet they don't forget a song and that was that thing where they had to keep an eye on who was being i mean pete seeger woody guthrie these are all people who were you know pete seeger was banned from radio because he talked about the socialist workers party in the sixty's and fifty's that's incredible sort of amazing that is really incredible what's really you know what else is interesting when we were looking through this earlier today in the good reporting on this story of the there the f.b.i. plan essentially backfired because you know very wrong as you said always kind of suspected that the reason is merchant marine union card replacement was denied back in sixty three was due is politics and the f.b.i. files show that on july eleventh one thousand sixty three sixty three the f.b.i. had reviewed them rocks albums and saw that the cover of one of his albums reflected the bottom rung been wrong in the past had been

a merchant seaman merchant marine the f.b.i. contacted the coast guards intelligence division and then contacted the offices of jed hoover who told them that ben rocca been seen entering the socialist workers party headquarters how dare that evil man. gave up and that was what made him focus full time on folk music so essentially them not letting him continue being an emergency like l. obey did his not right when i answer the question he finally gave up because he's like look my politics are probably going to keep me out of having this job so i'll be if i mean that's what really made him focus on that iraq what's really interesting is that it just it ended up making him focus more and. i want to say eliza waltz who was his biographer at the time he was dying he died of cancer in two thousand and two and i sort of put the rest of us together had told truthout who published the story originally the day would have loved the evidence that he was not just being paranoid when he thought they would deny him miss semen

certificate and it's kind of interesting because there is there's also these whole stories about day of having you know sort of pulling one pulling the wool over their eyes while they were doing this because he knew what was happening when he went into when he got recruited or got drafted and he went in and did it he gave them the impression that he was pretty sick and that her. they said because of his emotional instability and has a poignant as a folk singer. they didn't want to interview him because they felt he could be an embarrassment to the bureau if they started right because of this emotional sensibility but what's interesting is his ex-wife terri actually told truthout that that was the whole kind of work she is of the day when a friend from richmond hill queens were going for the pre induction physical at the time and the six that's what you get for classification dave rehearsed manifesting a psychiatric problem before they went they smoked a ton of marijuana and day of practice shaking stammering so amazed if you pulled

one over yeah that's a girl all right as we go to break called rogers don't forget to let us know what you're good with properties of coverage of the good twitters your full shows that are t.v. dot com coming up short on those studies the great political war between conservatives and liberal with the darker for the workers joe mcgovern and then starbucks is going green that's low go straight to the watch will. join me every socially on the elec simon show and i'll be speaking to us of the world of politics school business i'm show business i'll see you then. across europe municipalities are taking their water supply back from private companies who've been able to move this is the simple song alone even some company elsewhere they invite private companies to take over the utilities many by the

fellows throw. a lot of trauma she goes to go with it while on the pier might be cool. by been this is. the mobile group of people brought over from where you live the oberoi the locals are ready to stand up for the basic human right of access to water it's about water but it's also over much more than water it's about the hurt and the redistribution of our lives. and their debt downwards we want are. here in the united states and in many other countries around the world liberal versus conservative as the most popular political construct of the day next to

socio economic class and race political parties and beliefs are often used as the great dividers in a society here in the united states this is most often represented geographically with the snobby over educated liberals enjoying the coastal cities while the god fearing un educated conservatives and have it the middle of the country or fly over states and never saw the two meet unless at family reunions or a political talk shows and that's where filmmaker job mcgovern comes up with this new documentary film and titled the other side a liberal democrat explores conservative america and the film mcgovern forces as liberal self to travel across the country and into the fly over states to meet and better understand the conservatives who are so. opposite his own political beliefs our own johnstone caught up with mcgovern to discuss this new film and the divides between right laugh that are tearing so many apart. from time to time we liberals try to understand the other side you know that's what we're good at you know like

empathy and understanding open mindedness open mindedness for sure. but i think we go about it wrong that at least the attempts that i've seen were always looking for what's wrong in conservatism which is fairly logical if you're a liberal you think liberalism is right so if you're going to ask the question why are people conservative then the underpinning to that question is you know why did people get it wrong and so you will end up with quick answers like you know they're duped by fox news they're their money grubbing capitalists or like obama said they cling to their guns and religion or like hillary said they're a basket a deplorable so we're never really looking for the positive reasons for being conservative so that hit me one day i was like ok there's got to be some positive reasons for being conservative so i was interested in discovering those so i drove

around the country for five months with my dog charlie interviewing people interviewing conservatives and really with the goal not common ground i do want to say i was not seeking common ground. i don't really think common ground is going to get us anywhere it's like i hate your guts but hey we both like white doilies you know like that's not going to make any real difference i don't think but if i can authentically get there's a perspective that you have that has some value and some legitimate. a legitimate perspective that i can actually appreciate now that's that's the beginning of an interesting conversation so that's what i was after i was i was looking. for the good in conservatism and. it was really hard because i would sit through hour and a half long interviews of hearing people say things that just made me boiling mad but. i just i decided beginning i was not going to argue i was going to listen

even those angers and listen even though i was angry and then i made two promises one no arguing and two when a conservative made a good point i would have to say hey that's a good point you know how i normally were like yeah but you you give me your point from your other side or so oh yeah but your side into nonexistence was as committed to not doing that i see so i'm curious because i don't consider myself either liberal or conservative i just come from a position of look for something makes sense i can you know i can argue that point and except the point of view i really don't like to put myself into either camp i think both are tend to be extremists but now we get this real extremism which is like so called all right conservatism yeah which tends to be a bit more racist a little bit more. it's not you know in some ways it would you would think like well it's sort of like they're opposed to foreign wars and which i can agree with

but the other hand there's a sort of almost not see underlying fascism natives is it a native ism and whatnot or so it's tricky but when it comes to the all right did you see this in the nature of the conservatives that you were meeting with and talking to and what became labeled as the all right later was already there with a conservatism as you experience that i didn't experience that i interviewed eighty conservatives over the five months span. i didn't experience experience. you know. illegal immigration. and. universal health care you know experience can see. servitor of ideas but i didn't really experience any of what we're seeing now and in the all right i did interview i went to well while i was passing through south carolina i heard that the klan was having a rally to protest the removal of the confederate flag from the state capitol so i

hightailed it to the capitol columbia so that i could see if i could get some footage and interview people and i ended up talking to a well first of all there were about maybe twenty three twenty four klan members. three to four thousand counter protesters they quickly and there were they were african american state. south carolina state troopers protecting the klan members as they walked up to the capitol it was it was surreal you know so but i saw the reports on the t.v. on t.v. afterwards and it made it seem like it was equal parts klan equal parts kind of like this is a huge problem yeah there are there. these are far as i was concerned i didn't see a huge claim it was very small numbers but these are the media exactly trying to rate the bogeyman if you hear of oh look at these neo nazis look at these you know

confederate klansmen that are running around and you know it's rioting in our america whereas you know as you said as you point out actually they were a tiny minority tiny compared to the had to be protected most people it was really almost almost felt sorry for the. rights so yeah my my experience was that the. that that segment see who i was as the proportion of conservatives who hold those kinds of views is very small and i didn't experience that in any of my eighty interviews now to be fair there was this was not a very scientific study you know like a statistician would be horrified at my methods you know it was not a ram. i'm sampling it was course my friends and family and the one who want to talk to me you know yeah but still i just didn't find any of that in the people that i interview right and so does that make you think that perhaps there is this tendency within the media to create a narrative basically to create

a worldview that those of us who really you know we live in big cities whether in los angeles or new york or miami or something we don't get necessarily calendar the middle states that much so they want to create a narrative of you see how crazy and backwards and scary these middle states are these southern states are they have you know the resurgence of klansman because trump is in power so the klan is on the rise then you know it's in the rise does it feel to you like sort of a constructive narrative to give us this is us versus them picture it's for sure not accurate in my experience where it comes from i think is business when news organizations become businesses they're looking for revenue they're looking for clicks they're looking for what will enemy their audience and what will almost always enemy your audience more than the good news is bad news someone they hate you look at the comment section on something that you know look

at what the other side is like in the comments section is filled with interactions some people you know look i can't believe these people exist if we people this but if you if you bring up anything positive about the other side then you won't get any it were appealing to the the base or nature of ourselves so i am not sure i even like blaming the news organizations they're just sort of doing what they do they're they're looking for interaction they're feeding the people what they want and what people seem to want right now is to be a man and outraged and it's. it doesn't give people an accurate picture of reality to just be mad all the time and to see the other. side is the. art of it i would disagree that humans prefer a news that's negative i think that people actually reacts and you see them spreading videos of you know animals and love and tenderness and sure good deeds actually those are the ones that will viral and it will love to spread actually

people love good news it's just that we've been i think the media has fed and operate so much on fear and.