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unique about this presidency a tall tweeting a sign is that i think serious people and not just pundits that are partisan one way or another i mean i listen to speeches particularly when he goes to the base and there's just a heck of a lot of hyperbole and it's kind of baked in for me ok i'm trying to understand the basis of what he's saying because well most of what he talks about is themself ok that's the trump way but i just have to wonder when you look at his foreign policy views i see that a lot of it is bluster because and i'm kind of agreeing with james here the bark is really there but there's not always the follow up i mean with syria. we really don't know what's going on there not very saying very much because i think there's going to be a withdrawal but i mean could we look at the bluster towards iran is this kind of bluster to keep the saudis and the israelis happy go ahead peter. yes i think it's primarily to keep the lead and the israeli lobby in the u.s.
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happy because look at it this way trump has already got a lot of enemies back home what you knew theat. he's got the security date on his back he got everybody on his back he cannot afford all of the israel lobby on his back so this combined with the fact that he has family links with israel push to thim in the direction of being an iran hawk. now this is scary and if he gets dragged down that path we may be in for a very bumpy ride indeed. but i not sure that his heart is in it. opportunistic and dictated by his standing domestically in the u.s. he can't have too many enemies at the same time you know the rich are reflective i think that's quite fascinating because we're really you know you could have all the
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bluster you want against iran but it does keep the israelis and the saudis happy and it's one it's one issue he doesn't really want to deal with right now because of the litany of trade issues nato north korea meeting with putin it's on the backburner for him policy wise not rhetorical what do you think richard. if it's not on the back burner peter he's he's got to keep on that situation in the southwest part of syria where the heat is high the rain ians have been maneuvering around too near to the golan heights for israeli comfort and that that could trigger a fight in a broader conflict which none of us needs richard which would be six razors in which country would be that which country would be the trigger who is the proactive it character you're referring to. well. israel has been
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striking using air power against what it does it is uranium targets in israel. and syria and syria that's where it could go bad but ok and you're right in syria gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break it's a hard break i have to go there after a short break we'll continue our discussion on trump's foreign policy stay with our . mask eyes are one more of my guide to financial survival this is. a device used by professional scallywags to earn money. that's right these as far as are completely non accountable and we're just getting more and more to. destabilize
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it was the home of the. people many people for the. people there was a. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter we're discussing transform policy. ok james let me go back to you in washington right before i went to the right richard pointed out a possible floss point a flashpoint in syria the iranians and the go and we have to remind our viewers that go on hikes is illegally occupied by israel and it's not israeli territory ok
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it's actually part of syria and the international community recognizes that but i'm glad that richard brought that up james i mean it again you know if you look at kind of the proactive and i don't want to use the word aggressive but proactive stance that trump has taken on so many positions around the globe again we go back to the middle east where he seems to be reactive i mean is israel determining what the united states might and might not do in the region syria is a very good example go ahead. well i think richard is right to point out southwest syria as the real most important dangerous flashpoint here and that's where it really comes down to mr trump and mr putin can they work out something that defuses that in the abbey in the aftermath of the american failure and syria that really has been a failure that we're not really in a position to broker any kind of deescalation and that area hopefully the russians
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can you know that you know this points to a serious paradox in american policy we have these so-called neo conservatives here who are the most militant interventionist especially in the middle east they're also the most militant li anti russian and are just in a complete meltdown now over the prospect of this summit coming up what's ought of course is that israel and mr netanyahu have a very good relationship with russia and mr putin so there i think there are things that can be it on the ground there for a mosque that the people here just are getting the dealt out of the picture that's a really good point let me go to peter on that i mean this is a it's widely speculated i know that the nato allies are terrified of meeting with putin because he might make a deal over their heads ok all right fine that's a topic for another day but i mean the issue of syria is very interesting and and what change says i think makes a lot of sense of something could be an arrangement let's put it that way to deal with syria but why peter would let me or putin trust donald trump after everything
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that has been said and done i mean ash carter remember when there was a cease fire agreement everybody was on board and all of us are all we accidentally attacked the syrian army opes we didn't mean it wow i mean that didn't cut any ice with me or anyone else that i know so peter even if some kind of arrangement could be made to deescalate in syria could the russians trust the americans to come through and we have to remember that trump is under a lot of enormous pressure at home because. when talking to vladimir putin in the eyes of the neoconservatives is treason go ahead peter. well i think the americans don't have much to negotiate with in syria. the boots on the ground very limited in number effectively they're just. the pro u.s.
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forces in the south are in the process of being rolled up that only leaves the north the ad libbed area to dominate it in turn to the external support by turkey not the us and i think we're also in danger of looking at the wrong flashpoint is not the goal and the goal then the approaching towards the goal then i believe is a done deal read the smoke signals coming or not coming out to jerusalem you can see that the israelis will acquiesce in a return to the status quo ante and the iranians will not move up close to the goal and there's no reason why they should they should want it to. be the real potential flashpoint is the return to a duma type situation remember just back in april we came close to world war three you know we were talking in those terms and the thame scenario could be
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reproduced at any moment but most likely it will be reproduced when the moment comes for the feature of lip which is some month down the track but perfectly for theobald the same conditions will be produced and i believe there will be another fake chemical attack which will trigger. a real really dangerous crisis you know all that and we go to richard and people that do that are actually desperate that's when people that. you that kind of thing they're on the losing side that's why they do it i want to stay with. the trump putin meeting and let's talk about syria is there is there a possible in your mind where some kind of rough outline could be agreed to where everybody could be seen as the winner without getting giving away anything i don't know if that's possible here but i think that that's something that trump would
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like to say look we're quickly resolving the issue in syria he likes to win that's how he'll look at it and of course that would be a segue because somehow start starting the russia u.s. bilateral relationship again because it pretty much deep sixed what do you think about that richard. interests or peril to american in the sense that he doesn't want to go really. very shy gree. so you have something to work with the really world kurt is the rainy and. there is a question of a strong almost for that of call of color for the article element and that sees its mission is spreading with already its influence over syria lebanon yemen to some extent and that i don't know what who. can agree
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on ok well james i mean this is the ongoing argument i've had with richard i mean again if that fanatical element and to around i mean there are only fueled by foreign policy mistakes by the former colonial powers in the united states they're the ones that help spread real or imagined iranian influence throughout the region i mean look for example the horrendous shameful. activity that's happening in yemen and the whole world watches this it's a disgrace to humanity and that's all blamed on a rant more rand wasn't there until it all started happening but timelines don't matter to these people go ahead james. you know i guess i would disagree a bit with richard although i defer to his superior knowledge in this area it just seems to me that in a world and islamic world it's thirteen percent shiite that any fanaticism from tehran would be a self correcting problem that they simply don't have that throw weight to really
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have that kind of dominance in the region as far as mr trump and mr putin go i think mr putin is well aware that donald trump does not control the apparatus of his own government whereas putin is master of his house trump really is not and he has to proceed much more carefully and can he give orders that he knows will be obeyed and lastly as far as the allies go i think the one who has the most to fear is theresa may here's somebody who's going to dissolving out from under her we've got their fingerprints on not only on the white helmets and the tackle false flag like like peter was referring to the scriptural thing and also the steel dossier let's not forget that i hope mr putin hands mr trump a real dossier about what they've been overt up to over there and the united kingdom to try to subvert american interests but you know peter one of the things i've done in number of programs on this but you know i've had experts on talking about the interests of this country versus the interests of this one and
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geopolitics and sometimes it just gets down to trump having a memory i remember how you supported hillary clinton i remember the donna ca i remember him isaacson vote meddling in the election not the russians you know it's really and then those ukrainian oligarchy that gave money to the clinton foundation i mean you could say that's a layer that that's how donald trump sees fulcrum policy that you get when he slighted he's got it written down in a back of an envelope check that person's done that person's done i'm to i'm i'm making light of this a little bit but obviously there's personal issues that. views the world here go ahead peter. young i think two keys to understanding trump one is the so called isolationism ornately the. other is. not a way of dealing feet because. depart from the or the orthodox washington
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and. then constant conflict like a goalie who is pinned down by the washington consensus by these myriad little advisers around him the only time he's really free are in the middle of the night three am when he can tweet and nobody can stop him. when he's in a thumb it when he's going to come in again one on one specially when they keep advisors out of the train these are the times when he can be donald i think donald should be more donald if anything in it you know richard it's already been brought up in this program and i think it's an important question is that you know when. the nato confound there and then when he meets with putin here i mean nato is doesn't like the public browbeating that trump has given them over spending this spending issues been on the table for a long time it's nothing really new and with that with the trump. putin meeting i
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mean when they look at it again i want to go back to the rhetorical just more words because you know they're going to think that you know this summit will pass go back to work they'll be at the summit with putin and then. trump goes back on the campaign trail going to his rallies i mean is it just more for photo ops and just bluster because i can't see that he has really the power to make a deal with putin for example. well let's say this he's showing his two interests in the middle east the. so-called peace process doing something to get the biggest deal in history between israelis and palestinians and then the price of oil so those those two issues do capture his attention what where he's going he has unfortunately weakened confidence in american leadership in the middle east problem. with drawing from the agreement the.
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agreed. he's playing with the weaker hand the nuclear agreement with iran. ok one thing is very and i'm glad we're going to wrap it up here i'm glad that richard brought up oil prices the way it's going gentlemen donald trump trying to lower oil prices he's been actually helping them to increase and the saudis how he treats them so well the saudis have not returned the favor to try to equalize the price we'll see where this is going to go here that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests and watched in new york and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. a next time and remember.
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