and ultimately help this peace process go but they could also muck up the works as we say here in the u.s. just to sort of poke back at a trumpet as an ministration for pocono. and everything else and you know it's one point you can you can give and give and give but sometimes people poke back and it might not it could end of the railing some really good things all because i hope not i hope all right sadly though i do have to go to break right now right now we're going to read court watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics we've covered as they were going for your poll shows that are t.v. dot com coming up we talk the divide between liberal and conservative as we highlight the second part of sean's films interview with filmmaker joel mcgovern about a new documentary the others will stay to watch the whole. not

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a trumpy and kind of view it is an understatement to say donald trump is an unconventional and an orthodox political figure to his critics do have a point when they say trump appears to be harsher with allies than with real or imagined enemies then there's the middle east and iran is trumped so obsessed with terrain. the red team blue elephants and donkeys grand old party squaring off against the big d.n.c. more often than not partisan politics and the us resembles a good old sports rivalry more than actual debate of ideas but our party divisions

as immovable as cable news and social media make them out to be which is a little effort it appears not more so found filmmaker and self without liberal joe mcgovern who joined johnstown earlier to discuss his latest film the other side spending many days with people he may normally be inclined to lambaste and politically denounce mcgovern came to some interesting realisations with broad implications for how right and left can interact more productively and amicably in the future. it's very rare that you'll find someone who's willing to not defend the team because it's so it's so emotional it's so tied to your identity . it's very hard it was very hard for me to again so eighty interviews hour and a half each interview it's one hundred twenty hours which is like six straight. five doing nothing has like five full days nonstop under twenty hours of listening to things that made my. blood boil but through through that exercise through doing

it through that approaching it as a challenge love a challenge in five marathons that you simply professions are going to come i'm a big give me some challenges and so when i thought about the prospect of having to hold in my anger or listening to concerns kind of a fun thing is how i saw their cars go the point of my film and sort of looking for people who are interested in that kind of challenge like we we doesn't need to be every we're always going to have people who will play you know my team is right all the time no matter what but i think there are a lot of people thirsty for some nuance thirsty for some complexity thirsty for some good conversations their super new political party thirsty for a thirst for maybe an independent you know. yeah i have to agree with him and it's fascinating when you see him come back for the like you said one hundred twenty hour and a half each person almost five days worth of sitting and listening to these interviews and things like that that's

a massive amount of time he spent listening to the other side the opposite side of his old political beliefs i mean the thing is that we all kind of think the other side opposite side of we other each other and all this is where you know ideology and cults of ideology and identity politics and all that stuff gets much together and you sort of miss the point that's where when you get away from the outrage scene of the of cable news you do get more optimism you talk to people. on a one to one level and you do feel a little more positive about and reasonable about things like third party is are nonpartisan politics and how that stuff can actually work and that it's not cool who in lumia thing something outside of these two options is doable and even right i completely agree and i don't i think the you know. i think like we need more of this kind of out of the box style coverage you know that this documentary governs documentary did and other things like we try to do that here on the show

too you know and i think we need more outlets and more media outlets doing that rather than the standard boring right left right left you know tossing aside your generic party labels it's interesting to see what actual policy differences are issues remain that truly divide america's partisans i want to take a listen to what the governor found out. how do you see the needs to build a language what is what makes a liberal what makes a conservative in the modern binoculars. the area that most clearly elucidates that for me was the area of welfare you know. when i interviewed conservatives it was is very much like you're rewarded for hard work hard work hard work hard work ben carson ben carson ben carson it was a it's always you rewarded for hard work and whereas with the liberal position is we need to we need to help people and it actually occurred to me during during the trip that. there was

a guy in the sixty's and i'm blanking on his name but he came up with this theory for human development for optimal human development people need it the right balance of challenge and support too much challenge and you fail too much support and there's no incentive to learn and grow so occurred to me while we were talking welfare that conservatives tend to emphasize the challenge part of that equation hard work personal sacrifice and then carson and liberals tend to employ emphasize the support part you know what what public programs are we have for for for underprivileged people for economically disadvantaged people but if it's true that human beings need the right balance of challenge and support and it's possible for human beings to have too much support which i'd never considered before and any time i would think of poverty in the u.s. i always thought more support more programs. so if it's true that we need the right balance of challenge and support then we need the right balance of conservative and liberal ideas in our welfare system which blew my mind whoa.

out of balance of political ideas and thoughts taking the best ideas from all the sides and trying. all my goodness blows the boy nonsense. i never heard of such a thing and it sounds like one of those dangerous isms that i'm supposed to reify about but i mean not something it's we have this idea of the there is one way it's one way or the other way or one way is better everything is in balance right that's . why two parties. they're awful as a lot of tough because there is no balance still there's no it's you know there's a lot of opportunities for people to look at things in a different way and like i think that is it's really cool the idea that he has about you know taking that is there too much for. welfare to just look at it one way or the other when really it is i mean it could

be a huge bipartisan issue because the truth is social security every wants or social security that is a welfare program and so the idea is that if we look at those in different ways that certain things if you work hard but everybody get certain things and look i mean you ever want to you know. welfare is a great example of something where you could have bipartisan you know work like you said you know challenge people but take care of people right that balance would actually create the perfect kind of well system right. and you know when people yell about socialism it's always funny to me too because we actually operate the biggest employer in the world is the u.s. military carex which is completely socialist socialized medicine so let's everything you can loosely you there everything is done within one group and there is a rule of the. is socialism out of spite or don't operate and you know how soldier gets fed and housed remember that's socialism and. and that's what's interesting

but i think at the end of the day we're fighting against a whole lot of stereotypes yeah that's the real problem you know when you i think we're in this point now where despite the fact that it was starting to show the two party system was starting to lose its shine kind of in the eighty's even during reagan that you realize something was off this was a guy who was a republican but he also huge immigration reform in a way that said immigrants are important emigrants should be respected all of that and then now we're looking at this really different situation where. who's the typical republican and who is the typical democrat and do any of those things actually carry water and i think. what we talked about but what sean and i just talked about is really interesting let's take a lot of stuff political historically it was considered that you know liberals were sort of college educated coming from major you know basically living in big cities whereas conservatives for more. you know high school or less in terms of education

more based in the land either as farmers or small business owners and whatnot did you find anything any commonality of demographics in terms of your research you're pretty accurate about. general generally speaking or there's always people who break the mold like i interviewed this is going to jason in berkeley who's a conservative in berkeley i call him conservative in berkeley you know so and there are you know there's a college professor that i interview who is conservative two college students who are the president and treasurer of the college republicans while there's college students who happen to be conservative i'm shocked shocked you'd never realize that watching television today i think it's very funny the stereotypes that we have though because they they shift in weird ways over over time you see here and say

this idea that conservatives were an agitator they have you know farms and liberals really been what's very funny is growing up in wisconsin and roll wisconsin meat we used to joke that we were democrats because we didn't make enough money to be republican it's true because we made it is that republicans were rich and that was the deal it's like i'm a demagogue like i'm not make enough money to be a republican and now look at that shifted that idea is that republicans are an educated you know whatever and don't have a real idea of what's going on in the world it's interesting that's a really agree. point that you bring up because i remember that too growing up we all you always assume that republicans who lived in the cities and drove the fancy cars work down the wall street that whole bit all republican money money money money money and then i think when that kind of event jello cool and religious grabs a hold of the party and kind of steered the party along with the tea party steer the party away from you know what they kind of were in the eighty's. even in the seventy's that's where suddenly it was like none other working class blue collar

americans across the country which used to be the democrat stronghold yes they used to represent the unions but then when you saw unions and all that go out the window then and then the democrats suddenly with bill clinton in the gang suddenly say no we need to be more republican like then you suddenly have the democrats or the rich elitist types that's fascinating which. are essentially. there's very little difference between them except they both hate each other they both them understand what it's really like in real life they both are completely out of touch with they are out of touch with real life most people aren't running around out each other's ankles over this stuff you have a civilized conversation but maybe giving voice to some of those less stereotypical party faction less you know encourage more of an actual policy discussion rather than you know. bigger better park but i couldn't i couldn't agree more i mean.

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hits the turn of england on croatia in the twenty eighteen world cup semifinal the winner will face france on july the fifteenth in moscow's nikki stadium to see who will be crowned world champion. already placed in the final with. belgium fans dejected and disappointed. in other news this hour donald trump and nato allies gather for a summit in brussels the us president's demanding more money and says germany's

virtually a financial hostage of russia over gas supplies. from this wednesday july the eleven phone call and. other headline news a little bit later on football first though crunch time for england. played out in six hours from now for the other place in the world cup final looking ahead here's neil harvey and peter schmeichel. good morning beautiful. it's nice to see it in the morning for michael alongside me so it's the game that will croatia all of england and. i think if you look ahead to go until kickoff lots to talk about i was hoping maybe

we could talk about. so many great place. a lot of attention but there's more than just into it. he's a world class player he's been playing fantastically for for real madrid we know that three consecutive champions and he's been instrumental in winning. this guy is a world class player and he's he's one of those players we know that. you think he's only just about the football you know when he has the ball into the passing through the dribble he's also a really strong compare. it's of fighting and running midfield player and you've got someone like harry cain up front who is it at this point a scored six goals is leading by two goals in the in the golden boot competition when you've got someone like him who at any time at any point without any warning in a game of football can score a goal then you always have this incredible threat so i think. southgate's

thinking is as long as we can keep it tight as long as we can keep in under control as long as we don't take don't take too many chances we always have that and so far it's worked fortunately jason moran who isn't on the line live to counter your your comments on the contributions of money just when he did three record this this assessment a prediction of thing try to match fourth of a list. england is fresher. has younger players had easy group face. we're deeply to easy matches and the match against belgium changed every player so the players that are playing the they all had one less than croatia to play because they didn't play against belgium and the majority of the players. feets players when i look to the team i sing actually

young. three years old just today or yesterday something like that and part of that the players are all very young and and between england and croatia i think croatia has written and i think. for me to play to control the game in the possession of the game. is a happy team rub against a very strong and well supported in team that's been a lot of fans in rough and it's just have a look at how they have been enjoying their time. i. was. in europe and the. whole. team from croatia can win this game. we have more experience our southgate has been commenting probably not given too much away

in terms of preparations for the match i think we already know he's line up pretty much but he's been speaking quite complementary i think about the experience that the team of had in russia that you never know you're going to a strange country you know strange food strange culture bodies being quite positive and have a listen to in fantastic every city we've played in of course in our base in particular but everywhere we've played we've had a really warm welcome and the organization of the tournament has been absolutely first class. the nicest guy. he was saying nothing bad about anyone about anything but he would not lie so you know he's just like that he's taken the big risk sometimes you have to respect to win big it's all been coming off so far not the only one taking chances though. pretty much will do anything to get to moscow for this. sometimes have to go backwards to go forwards and that's what

they've done literally summoning the fans as part of their journey of flying back to lisbon slightly that's what a two hour journey is a five hour plus flight out to moscow but that's the way to do it if you can't get direct tickets so many turn thousand in the fans making this journey for england. alone last minute travel plans being put together having been in that situation when you've had to cobble together a journey at the last moment to do anything to get there anything but luckily the vans we're talking about won't have to take to the pitch but you know they have to contribute in the stands we managed to catch up with travelling via lisbon to get to moscow adding several hours this is what it's like for them. for the screams of you to see what seems to be a good. idea to use these because it makes. it

a bit sweeter. when the weight of the story is. good for you. if you can get funding for it to something. that. if you can make it. it's going to be. awful lot of england supporters convinced that they are going to win they're coming out in greater numbers now are they right time will tell in terms of the winner. the confidence england's not lacking that and that pretty much so far enjoying the trip to russia that's what they said about it. well i think the. only way. i. play i may just in time is one mad rush and the

people absolutely love field. in some bad press for example talk about here you can see russia from the top of the english. the poisoning getting the well so what were the things that you were hearing about russia before game here i'm saying. like it's like ten it's like stereotypes really got some in my space ever got friendly and you know it's true let's get back pressure it was staunch really fit but once people realized hey this is not because they were out there with we're going up because we want to go vanna welding the joy of the world and i was i thought he should i know she's i want to come over.

but you know we speak to pretty much every day if you see them up to the games as well you remember the case with. eidetic world when united by members of his family not to come to russia because a possible racism like that having been here we are going to have anything to say about it but yeah i mean if it is going to whatever we said before is completely denies the role by my experience here this week we have you know probably no trouble. people have been fantastic the food has been. but there's been great you know. what's coming back in the nuts on the russian spy possibly. you still got time england fans coming to russia coming out and coming. yeah he says it's coming home some people go further they think it's coming home because. well it's you know the

original lyrics you know this year and ninety six it first came about this song and they sing about thirty years ahead now it's fifty years if you have to change the number of years after every patron from age children so let's hear how it sounds these days. your god. it is probably the best of a football song i have to say that it is a song that's been written by but at the on the skin a. song by those two and the lightning seeds now see that was that was for the european championships in one thousand nine hundred six so the football football was coming back home to england for that tournament and he was and this is only the trophy that was coming home. since that song was written and.