they sow in moscow in russia all together so it is. said is this forty seven percent of of german populace which is unwilling to have u.s. troops on their soil it is only thirty five or thirty four which is still willing to have u.s. troops on or on german soil so if you talk to the you know regular people with even in poland. republic in france they're not scared of front of russia's kids maybe it is only the elites who those who are you know participating. profiting from from from stigmatizing russia are afraid because what they are going to do and you know who the russia business will collapse yeah you know where they are going well. find work and i know that because they will russia phobia and i russia it's a it's also a racket ok i mean you can never be you can say anything what you want about russia

and be completely wrong and you'll never be punished for it charles charles let me just jump in let me just let me just say one quick thing if you happen to have eastern european audiences and you are willing to smell russia a lot of money yeah i remember when i arrived six years ago to this country and i started to be working as a research and in the house of commons i remember and i will not tell the name of the person but i was assured that if i'm going to participate in this. if i'm going to participate only on the merit of the fact i'm coming from the eastern europe i will earn a lot of money so it tells a lot about the industrial you know it absolutely you know charles i mean i can i make looking into trump's mindset and in the there's these other issue of trade that's on the margin right now is in this conversation. is that you know trump sees

that the united states was very generous in helping rebuild europe for geopolitical reasons it wasn't just generosity ok and now you have a very rich continent sure it has a lot of problems a lot of the problems are self-induced ok and if they're not happy with the united states as a leader of nato why don't they have their own defense alliance they're not poor they have they have technology they have people oh but then again nobody wants to join the german army and i heard there's like only like twelve tanks that run i mean really this is there it's not a military alliance it's a propaganda alliance go ahead charles you know and i think it really needs to be reimagined and repurposed i mean if you look at nato it was effective from forty nine until ninety two but then after the soviet union went away you know what is what is nato really been doing and is there a need for an alliance of this group of nations to pursue missions internationally or not or should it be a different group of missions the simple fact is that rightly or wrongly united

states over time is spent a lot of money on military and has you know our military has sadly a lot of experience fighting around the world so of course you know if you're going to ally with somebody you want to think about allying with the united states military i just think this alliance is another at this point globalist bureaucracy that is not regulated properly that is not serving a clear mission and you know i don't see the strong argument for the u.s. taxpayer which is sorely in debt over twenty one trillion dollars at this point to be throwing money down globalization throw their money to building a wall that they need to go get money and build a wall gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that your break we'll continue our discussion on the trump putin summit stay with us.

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seemed wrong. to me. yet to say proud to stay active. and engaged equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back to cross like where all things are considered peter bell to remind you we're discussing the trump putin summit. ok let me go back to daniel and jackson what are you expecting from this summit because you know i've read all of the think tanks and you know the i think you do

kind of a kind of low octane journalism on everything i don't think there is can be a lot accomplished unfortunately right now primarily i'll be really honest is that i don't think considering foreign policy vision and behavior and words it's going to be more kind of another show because with his the problems back home that he has i don't think that he has he can follow up on anything he really wants to do he's going to be he's cornered in so many ways what do you think daniel. well you know peter i rarely disagree with you but in this situation i may disagree with you a bit because i think it's ignore mostly significant if only for the fact we talk about this before the show as much as as trump frustrates us and drives us crazy his detractors are so much worse yes we sometimes find ourselves feeling like we're in this corner so the fact that the neo cons are freaking out over this the

resistor is our so-called resistance types are freaking out over this a lot of the u.s. congress is completely freaking out over this i think it will be an absolute even if nothing comes out of it just the visuals of him and putin shaking hands smiling i bet that to get along on a personal level pretty well i bet it's going to send shivers down the spines of the bad guys here at home so in that case there's it's a no lose for trump and for americans and really go back to you in line and daniel is right in the sense that all of the criticism that he's going to get at this helsinki summit it's already baked in i mean i can't imagine a worse thing you can say about donald trump that hasn't been said for the last two years ok so it's already baked in i think he likes to go to them too in the media but i mean get to but first substance here i mean i hear all this talk and i get i think it's kind of low octane intelligence you know they're going to make this grand deal on syria and all that i don't i don't think that's really the case at

all because i don't think because i mean the russians have been really smart ves of syria i mean they're there for a very specific purposes are not there to confront the west or you know some other grander plan no they're not ok they get out tell the iranians to get out of syria well i don't think that's going to happen either all right and then there's the issue that i think all of us would like to be resolved and it won't be as ukraine and i don't think donald trump really cares about ukraine all right so i mean again i mean and cut a kind of agreeing with daniel i mean just the meeting itself is sends a lot of signals you could just interpret whatever you want that's what we get with trump trumps a prism whatever the angle you start you'll get a different look go ahead and in london go ahead. well i do agree with dan you were saying that. donald trump the tractors are much worse but my approach is strictly geopolitical. in my opinion the meeting will be strictly orientation or

they will obviously they will present the views on the certain of the sun to around the world and as you rightly said there's a you know deadlock with regards to the ukrainian force i would say because i'm paying very close attention from the very beginning what is happening in ukraine waited and it happened last i mean yesterday it was the commemoration of the genocide involve william in east in eastern part of poland. and others were slaughtering pows and jews while my wife is happening to come in from this part of poland so we can see the poroshenko is not interested in fulfilling the me means agreements he's pursuing. right wing. fascist semitic movements supporting in his country and

even atlantic council write an article report yes obviously this is not the headline from the r.t. so we know that everything is sleep slipping from their hands with regards to ukraine because this is what we the ukraine is. we will have the same situation as we have in the middle east so it is very very warring obviously donald trump is pushed by not tell yahoo in israel and yesterday i had a very interesting conversation with my friends from israel and not on yahoo push. donald trump and today he's in moscow so he also will be pushing. with regards to iran. i assume that they will require or they will ask president putin to somehow facilitate the draw from the i mean or the iranian

units from syria yes but in my opinion what russia can agree to do is to agree to be a security broker between iran and israel and i don't think that is more and that is the role that is been playing ok and i think it's a very wise role russia can talk to everybody in the region ok charles you know again you know i saw before his european trip. he was on the campaign trail he was out talking to his base he he loves that in the base loves that i sometimes think he's saying we're going to get along with putin and so he's going to have a visual he's going to have a photo op and then when he goes back to delusion he goes see see i told you i would meet him and i did it ok i kinda think so much of this is for his base and it's domestically driven and everything he does he does for his base the appointment of the supreme court justice ok for the base ok so i mean charles is

this more really about domestic politics than geopolitics go ahead charles. no i don't think so at all i think in this case there's a clear record now as this president he always has his eye on the deal author of the art of the deal he saw the deal to be had here i think and i'm not saying that it will be concluded at this meeting the deal to drive towards is a deal where russia is more than an honest broker is an active participant united states has moved very aggressively to try to get the sunni states to reject radical islam we have limited influence in iran but the iranian economy has done very little for the average iranian since nine hundred seventy nine and it stands in tremendous it's only business. in iranian economy empathetically of the government this is not i would business if iranian government is not well for you right it is up to them charles go ahead perhaps perhaps but at the

outlines of a deal here so if one is looking to broker a lasting peace in the middle east which i do believe the trump ministration would love to do on the one hand that's a dream that we have that maybe i'm naive and foolish but it's a dream on the other hand in russia it's under sanction yes it may be doing pretty well under sanctions but it's better to be out from sanctions and understand i'm not i'm not i don't think they're not really sure i'm sort of an iran i'm not really sure i'm following your argument because. if you're talking about sanction relief well it's a principle of the russian foreign ministry russia will never ask for the end of sanctions because they don't believe they're legitimate no evidence has been proven shown to the public whatsoever of all of the allegations that have made now one shred of evidence so russia is not going to ask for the end of the saying sions all right so that's not on the table at all ok. go ahead charles. if i

could just jump back yeah so my point is it's some points with deals that i cut my background actually it's not like trump is a deal maker but doing deals at some point the arguments don't matter and i think that's where we're at it doesn't matter who asked for it doesn't matter the diplomatically niceties you know there it would be better for the sanctions to be removed and i would argue for a start but you are much better for the what is the common sort of middle east congress that does that congress has to vote to resend them you know what charles they will never resend them ok and that's big did here in moscow but no that's not going to happen all right ok let me go to daniel here daniel i think what we heard from london to new york kind of puts everything in into the mix right here the thing is is that i don't know what trump can deliver on because i don't know what he could deliver on that putin wants go ahead daniel. well i would just comment on the whole idea of the trump administration wanting to broker a middle east peace i'm not sure that is the focus i think that's much too

strategic a focus for the chump administration which i think is really sort of bob bogged down in tactical approaches to the world and i think that's the reason why he likes to break through and have a personal meeting with kim and now a personal meeting with trump which of course terrifies his advisors you know there was a codel there was a group of u.s. senators who went to russia recently yes and just going to showing to prove that the worst thing to get information is on a codel because it's sort of a great exercise in groupthink and bubble mentality they all came back and showed they had absolutely nothing from their time in russia i think it was shall be from alabama that said that well trump better study stalin if he wants to understand how to deal with it and you know i mean it's just he's absurdities lindsey graham is out there tweeting this little thing goes off about how we've got to stay in syria forever and and trump better stand up to ten but here's the thing that's interesting all of the retreats all of the comments they're all from the left they're all from the resister people and you touched on it earlier peter when trump

talks about getting along with russia his base still does cheer yeah you do have a part of the right wing that has this enemy mentality so you do have this sort of problem but his base likes that he was elected on it his numbers are high because of it so he has the most important vote of confidence going into this meeting which is that people that will vote for him if you run for reelection are not going to be bothered at all it's a great visual of two tough guys let's be honest yeah shaking hands smiling so it's a win win again as i said earlier for and if you look at the putin's base and you look at trump space both like that picture ok exactly now i did daniel here i mean i gan i mean even c.n.n. i notice the last few days they even admitted they even admitted that. the american people on the whole. all are not interested in russia gate at all they they don't know much about it they don't follow it and they just kind of kind of push it out

of their mind because it doesn't mean much to them it certainly does to the resistance people let's go back to london last word is going to be a thumbs up or a thumbs down of the summit twenty seconds. of the finger. down but we can all agree the relations maybe not relationship. between two great powers to improve how to improve because we are very dangerous situation. there believe neither of both sides want to you know have this conflict you know. so we have to. be ok i want all the time we have gentlemen but one thing is we are sure it'll be a great photo op no but no doubt about that that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in new york london and in lake jackson and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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special. across the world this. names you know me well welcome to the program our top story. the u.s. justice department has charged a dozen russians with hacking offenses linked to the twenty sixteen presidential election. indictment charges twelve russian military officers by name for conspiring to interfere with the twentieth sixteen presidential election. eleven of the defendants are charged with conspiring to hack into computers steal documents and release those documents with the intent to interfere in the election well i have the document here in my hands and as you can see it's pretty long twenty nine

pages to be precise so let me read to you exactly what it says while russian intelligence officers knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other and with persons known and unknown to the grand jury to gain an authorized access to hack into the computers of u.s. persons an entity's involved in the twenty sixteenth us presidential election still documents from those computers and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the twenty sixteen u.s. presidential election but regardless of what this says the department of justice found out that this so-called conspiracy didn't affect the vote count or the election result there's no allegation that the conspiracy changed the phone count or affected any election result well the announcement came during trump's meeting with the queen at windsor castle and just days before he's scheduled to meet with president putin so we'll just have to see if this trigger some sort of

a domestic resistance to the russian foreign ministry has given its reaction moscow's say yes the timing of the announcement shows that its purpose was to negatively affect the trump putin summit with more on the hocking indictments now here's shit on the ice for new information i mean the military man himself they would never reveal their sources all that we know that they've been questioning a lot of people as he has a few men in his at his disposal so their capacities are quite limited and everything in this investigation when it comes. the hacking of the democratic party it devolves around the d.n.c. server so we don't know as i've said where moolah got his information from but what we do know is where he didn't get it from apparently and that is the f.b.i. as they themselves have numerously admitted to fail to in the server themselves have a listen when the d n c provide access for to the f.b.i.

for your technical folks to review what happened. we never got direct access to the machines themselves it's all up begs the question doesn't it if the f.b.i. had no access to d.n.c. servers who hurt in this exact case we don't know exactly but we know that previously all the information about this server came from a company named kraut strike it's a company that was hired by the d.n.c. received money for the from the d.n.c. for maintaining in taking care of their servers and so they were the ones who provided the f.b.i. with all the logs and all the information and although strike itself says that the information they gave it's a carbon copy of it's like the exact same thing as what was on the actual server there's no way real way of proving that. you know very fine that because they have tampered with this quite

a bit they have already restructured it back in twenty sixteen in this whole server so that's did raise some questions as well you did see never turn the server over to law enforcement if you're investigating either from a law enforcement or from an intelligence standpoint that hacking by foreign hostile government would you want the server would net help you number one identify who the attacker was if they had turned the server over to either you or director call me maybe we would have no more so i guess what i'm asking you is why would the victim of a crime not turn over a server to the intelligence community or to law enforcement and this question is what many many people are asking because think of it from a following standpoint say there was a crime in some apartment the police show at the door and then the victim's roommate shows up and says look i live in the same room i saw everything happened

here's your forensics like fingerprints you know traces of hair d.n.a. pictures from the crime scene you're all good. and the police they say oh then fine then we won't examine the actual crime scene since which was showing to us is the exact copy and the account of events of what happened this is pretty much what the f.b.i. did so that's that's why this raises so many questions as to the situation we have though as it stands we've got twelve russian agents so-called agents indicted what happens now is there a trial well naturally yes this is what mueller is pursuing but there is a catch because look at who he's indicted is indicted several intelligence officers of russia and obviously the reserve. base in russia of course and if there is a trial it is said to happen on the u.s. soil no one in their right mind would be sending intelligence officers to

a foreign country i mean it doesn't really matter whether or not the are accused of anything whether or not they're guilty or not it just it's intelligence officers they have like information clearances and everything the some of them may not be allowed to travel abroad at all so miller has found is finding himself with this indictment in a very comfortable position because of the trial happens it will be a trial in absentia which means the chances are nobody will represent these intelligence officers which pretty much guarantees a guilty verdict. let's go a bit deeper into this and go live to a done deal make albums executive director of the ron paul institute for peace prosperity done you're always welcome first of all something that really looked like a glaring aspect of this why do you think it was that the f.b.i. was not given a excess to the d.n.c. as physical servers. well i think it is a very good question as your reporter pointed out if you're the victim of

a crime why would you not want to hand the evidence over to the police the fact of the matter is the company they had doing their security is a politically biased company that was involved involved in all sorts of things to steal the say and other things so it is a it is a big question but the other big question really is the timing and union and that once again we have an indictment on a friday before a weekend but not just any weekend as you also pointed out in your segment this is the weekend before the much anticipated trump who can summit the political implications of dropping the indictments on a day like today only of only if it's someone who's completely on another plane that would not get what the point is it's the poison the waters it is vance of the trumpet and some of this is clearly the work of the u.s. deep state do you think it could have an impact on it i think it already has an impact on it if you turn to c.n.n. or any of the other u.s. mainstream media sources right now you'll find bill kristol you'll find all of the

neo cons absolutely in glee john mccain just tweeted out the trumpet better be tough with when you meet someone monday with all of this in mind this is and that's absolute sop to them your neo-con absolute sop to the anti russia crowd in the u.s. after fourteen months that shows today of all days to drop an indictment against twelve people who will never never appear in the united states more has not given any evidence and he will never have to give any evidence only has the indictments that may well be made up out of whole cloth nobody knows just about the summit. there's an aspect of just as you as you've been looking at the reaction to it i have as well and you could some heavy hitters in the democratic party calling for the meeting that summit on monday to be canceled altogether because of this do you see any chance of that happening. well i think if president from did that he would he would make a very foolish mistake i think he has his base with them and there are some people

in his inner circle people like giuliani who don't get it who are too thick headed to get it that this whole thing is a made up farce if you will to silence those people he would find that he has his base along with him if he's forceful as a leader and he talks to the people who voted for him and will vote for him next time if you run and it's very clear with them that this is a farce look this is a political ploy by my enemies to undermine me trying to make peace and to really make america great again i think it's come up a little glee on top these people will do anything to prevent this from taking place because they don't want the world to see these two men shaking hands the appearance of peace breaking out between the two countries thanks for your time this hour demi mcgann's executive director at the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity. living on ny british police say they have fun the source of a nerve agent that killed a.