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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter little if you're a political news junkie then you're probably experiencing a serious overdose consider the recent nato meeting trump's visit to the u.k. so called russia gate and the trump putin summit we discuss it all here on cross. cross talking some a trade i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also crouse he is an independent political risk analyst and we have examined him or oh he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis troutdale ok gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it eric there is to much to talk about this week as i said in my introduction that kind of overdosing on all of this here

i think what's really most important we can get some up a few days of trumps visit to nato and then to the u.k. his reception and then he is cheve very much mr trump is a bit of a loose cannon and he likes keeping people off balance he will one day give warm warm praise and the next day absolutely terrible in the u.k. . but this you've got to understand there's a method to his madness mr trump is a traveling salesman mr trump has one real interest in life which is to enhance american sales of arms and energy he wants l. the europeans to massively overspend on defense defense against whom we don't so please and also ok ok so you. that to my point here mark so it's not it's not about security guy least not from trump's point of view ok and i think the contradiction

of trump pointing out that germany is talking about russian threat while they're also cutting billion dollar gas deals with russia points out the internal contradiction on that whether trump intended it or not but i agree with eric absolutely trump is is a businessman and he doesn't think in terms of geopolitics or american hegemony he thinks in terms of pluses and minuses of a balance sheet and he sees that there's a huge trade deficit between the u.s. and the e.u. therefore he wants to correct that any way he can and. that's his but what is that happening because exactly you right after the bluster about all i mean trump called himself a stable genius which is quite remarkable for a politician to say i must say but mccrone came right out after and said what we really didn't agree to anything ok i mean again i have i have discussed this. but

i would like to underline the fact that. there is always talking about create an independent group of defense so i was whipping the moment when. my call i'm going to want to have to trump so we don't want to pay more so get back to you or you nato and we're going to bite or at least independent europe. of defense. if it's even if that were to come to pass if that were to come up to pass i tend to think would be a reassessment of threats don't you think and then they'd say well do we really need to spend this kind of money here i mean this is the wrinkle right here eric is that if you really step back and say what is a real real threat to europe then they are their defense would be commensurate. that not with the nato paradigm is today is the fundamental problem contradiction of nato it was an alliance against the warsaw pact it was meant to fight

conventional war and lies always generals were fighting the last war nothing next war it was meant to fight a conventional land war with tanks and artillery in east in eastern europe that this is about as likely as a replay of the war of the roses or the thirty years war it's not going to happen the next third world war it's going to last forty five minutes and we won't have time to get it on t.v. so basically there is no real purpose the purpose is to keep the army the military does it is ok i mean we agree that you know they the thing is the mark you know i can understand worst nato comes from there's a lot of people that work there and a lot of people don't have jobs there but the real problem here is and it can't trump this kind of right for the wrong reason is that the nato is able at least the european members are able to reimagine a defense security architecture they're satisfied with what they have now well i

think that's part of the problem is that it isn't a defense architecture at all. richard sakwa he called it a fateful geopolitical paradox that nato exists primarily to manage the risks they created by its own existence now wonderful quote that is that is if you go by the standard rationale collective security keep russia out etc nato hasn't been used that way in decades nato has become a political figure leaf tool for us military had gemini around the world jens stoltenberg pointed it out himself in response. to the head of nato pointed out exactly this week he says that if you its european part of nato military usage to the united states is in. the use of mit us military force around the world becomes much more acceptable in the i think of the rest of the

world when it's done through the filter of coal ition within nato it is a political thing i think the military can't know because only healing has been pushed aside so that you don't you have to remember that before you can do a main goal of nato if you look at the meeting in two thousand and two or two thousand and thirteen was the fight against piracy purposes yes yes that's clear isn't such a big year to run somalia right huge military and for that and i couldn't agree more that it's a political institution the media there is a sion of europe and space by putting some u.s. bases is a way to politically control space and. it's a really no more. the thing is that you know you know i'm always a big advocate of sovereignty here but you know under the nato paradigm the nato countries are surrendering a lot of their sovereignty here but the way trump is doing it it's all of hackett's

deal as we've said before and our g. tariffs and security for him it's all one thing ok and once you start fiddling with one of those three then it starts to unravel and this is what the elites in europe do not want to have happen to the corleone family we have a deal for you but it's a package deal we would you. repeat in the lead are fairly pathetic i'm sorry to say but i have seen. my french national and i have seen the deterioration of the governance of my country over the last few years which is it because of that because politics is really technocratic now i mean there's you know there's one charisma magic figure in the west right now it looks a bit odd if donald trump i mean these other people don't inspire much well it's not just that i mean we don't understand how my cane to. power the action was feet long previous to people of course it was the head of the i.m.f.

who got to court is set up in new york city. and then was to follow was removed by a sudden scandal would somebody pulled out. who is it who knows where all the skeletons are hidden in europe who is spending tens or hundreds of billions they are aware of but then everything that presupposes that it does it doesn't matter who's president of france stuff that matters to who is the prime minister of the u.k. i don't think so no any more you know. the most important thing is something so as to forget its ideology right there is pro western ideology which isn't here to talk about and so in my point it's just the product and you know it's a product of this idea is to make the system and then probably it's a front of you know is a chance for elites live well in france. or

we call it zip codes ok where you never you never see the immigrants you never see drugs in the. speaking of the variation of european union officials at this nato summit in brussels john clarke vent juncker walking around. this might could have been go ahead i know you would be toasted off his butt or if you believe the official version he has that problem sorry i. just can't you want to watch repeated videos again and again of the joke i mean we had he's the president of the european commission and i think he's a perfect metaphor for the european union today back in the day they used to mock. geriatric leaders of the soviet union rationale for dropouts for having to be propped up yeltsin. minutes up in this block and i want to ask you is

the is the western north atlantic alliance it's changing is it forever changed mark i mean there's no going back to the status quo absolutely there is a europe just intends to wait trumbo whether it's two years or four years or it might look at all you know you bring up another no no the soviet analogy stagnate means events are going to go there they believe they can just. act i think it's changing. it's it's clear that statement. no independent policy of defense was a need to so it can do it time can say what you want it would win on so he thinks he can pull out for us i would of nato all by himself and i don't know maybe you can. mental story here which is that we're living in a period of accelerated transition we had in

a single empire which was highly successful which in one thousand nine hundred forty five controlled almost fifty percent of the global g.d.p. currently controls about eighteen percent is now the world's second largest economy let that sink in china by in p.p.p. terms of course you can world bank is the world's largest there is a shift in the center of gravity and what we're seeing and what we're talking about are symptoms the the wheel driving force is the the general in the change and the change of the dominant empire and from a russian standpoint the ideal situation for russia was to do a balancing act between east and west. west has rendered impossible so russian orientation is now going to become much closer much more time yes that's correct well kate i'm going to jump in here this is a very nice. segue to what i want to talk about in the second half of the program after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with our. i've

been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten thousand dollars fine stamping each day. eighty five percent of the global wealth you long for the old rich eight point six percent market saw thirty percent rise last year from some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and it going rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one billion dollar a i industrial form but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need remember of one one business so you can afford to miss the one and only boom bust.

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nose and the woman who was looking for more people for walks up to. the system in the middle of the street as someone reaches back in their back or they waistband the cop is not going to sit there and give them the benefit of the doubt because people should be reaching in their waistband with cops having guns trained on them sample the stormont. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. ok eric i want to go to you before we talk about the summit in helsinki you want to make a point. basically i was sort of looking at the american media coverage of this and

i was seeing an article in the in the new yorker which used to be a liberal relatively pacifist yes one. east coast publication and it has now gone full on propagandistic and if you look at the american media you now basically have it's far as i can see three factions you have the d.n.c. which are the democratic national committee group which is still arguing with the referee eighteen eighteen months after the final whistle was blown they're still arguing they lost the election you've got to get out and try to fight the next one you've got fox news with all that represents and always has represented that hasn't changed very much. that's right and then you've got the military industrial complex which is making a lot so that's c.n.n. and them i miss him. and there is no there is no in the pendants of any of them and the problem is that they want to score points against

trump what ever course what i don't mean i'm really glad you brought this up this is about susan b. glasser and it's the the amateur boxer up against muhammad ali washington fears trump will be no match for putin in helsinki now this is a very interesting i'm glad you made it we made me aware of it mark but this is a perfect example of a low octane intelligence getting you know it's certainly i mean she's no sharp sharp knife in the drawer ok not by any standard but this is the swamp this is a swamp article ok and it really is and eric's right it's against if it's against wrong from then it's perfectly fine but it has nothing to do with the geopolitical interests of the united states eighteen years ago the same it made us explaining where expanding that to put in is just to create. the noise mummy daddy that's not always mohamed ali right exactly it's interesting the title that she took you know

that trump is an amateur boxer fighting mohamad ugly is supposedly a quote from an anonymous for her own story or. you know the huge wall. street the blog to stay coming back what this article shows us and it's a good one to read and there's a good one you want if you if you flip through the new yorker's articles this week it is it is just one among many in a similar vein they're terrified of the summit because they and we it must be said do not know what trump will do at this summit there is no agreed upon reason for the summit other than to have a summit you know the idea of starting to talk but usually when there's a summit between the leaders of the u.s. and russia there are months of preparatory. more low level officials on various issues go back and forth they debate the issues that will cause a lot of policy in this place right no no but what i said that i think they're

going to i think there's i think there is a method to this madness here and i think no i think really what it is is that trump wants to make sure he's going to have the summit he wants and not what john bolton was not what pompei own wants not one always confused nikki haley wants he's going to have his own they're in they're terrified when he goes into that room with just interpreters and his deep state handlers not their you know to handle him the way he can't do he he what he might do we don't know what he might do but they're terrified of that possibility at him threatening you know threatening that germany that there are eight captives of russia right when the opposite is actually far closer to truth or threatening to pull out of nato right just in the last week they were in the united kingdom where he's having a discussion with the prime minister and saying that boris johnson bojo when you

make a great point in there to me but i don't see what. what either side can give to the other i don't see anything ok because there's a lot maybe because there's no preparation for it but i don't i don't see. how i don't think there is in my opinion good results but this was where we know those in november election what need know. after meeting was put in for. election americans through care about foreign policy and a certain but we do know be careful we have indications that his base would like to see better relations with russia but one of washing it over because if. we go full circle here everything he says he says for his base it's not about security it's not about economics it's not about anything except for himself and his base eric go in there at this point mr trump tomorrow announce that he had

a meeting lined up with the holy ghost within twenty four hours that new york times would be the kremlin has ordered the the holy trinity their work. they don't care and this is a very. very dangerous situation for any country when the domestic political players are more interested in harming each other than for the national interest this is when you get civil war it looks with the indictment of the alleged twelve russian intelligence officials here i mean i think all of us think that the timing of that is quite peculiar to say well i mean it's obvious it's a political message right it comes right on the heels of the stroke hearings in congress entertainment that was ok for the summit it's obviously a political attempt to derail the summit you know one of the things i think is really important i'm glad you brought that up because we can and i watched the

talking heads dissect that testimony from peterson. it was among the most amazing things i've ever seen in my life. beyond the optics too but what was interesting and i think this is we've talked about on this program many times of crisis of institutions this really is that really at the crux of all of this here is the separation of powers is that the f.b.i. and the d.o.j. are defining congress this is not trivial this is not trivial at all and i think this is where it's coming in struck still being an employee of the f.b.i. gets the shield of the protection of the f.b.i. once he's out we'll see what happens to him this girlfriend. lisa paige looks like she's going to be ok ok we'll see that next week but there's an institutional crisis here. i mean france you are talking about. is this i mean is a seven spain the. permanence of.

the u.s. through these crises because it's of course if. no matter what is said during this summit. trumps likely to get any credit for it i mean it doesn't matter the outcome even if there is no outcome and you said it he's going to get his base basically is going to like with kid he's going to come out is going to announce a major victory great step forward for american security they'll come up with some sort of my guess and it's only a guess and marco probably disagree is that putin will give something about iran in this say well see i think you agree that why why would he do that why would he do that and then number two eric why should the russian political trust donald trump doesn't have to trust him he's not giving away the keys to the kremlin i grew up. so. how do you go how do you know what you actually want to do i think they're

discussing you're fired. bill is a deal in syria we know trump wants to pull out of syria his own military has been preventing him one of the areas in particular is this all top of base in the south basically it's a desert area there's very few rebels left there most of them have been transferred trained and transferred to it's only a token case i should talk that important it's a highway there so part of the idea what the americans are so furious about now is is the present is it meaning the israelis and the saudis are furious about now where the american dog is that the iranians are in syria well if they don't want the iranians in syria then why did you go back why don't you try to overthrow thirty one flavors of jihad and sixteen hours right and that's exactly why the iranians sincere it's a lesson they already learned from iraq is trying to preserve relationship with israel to somebody and so do you really have the yes and that sort of but this is diplomacy so the idea is that they might offer that putin gets iran into

a box a backdown out of there miles iraqi others and in return the u.s. gives up a military base that it has a syria that it has no they will not work let's not forget that there is a legitimate government in syria they have to be on the horn to all and syria have to do is promise oh sure the iranians will be gone the americans give up the military base and then next week the iranians can be wherever they want is having you know usually an expert on ukraine is ukraine going to play any role in the summit do you think in my opinion first as a beatle against ukraine. and we know we saw what it did was about truck so it was not love the regime inc yes yeah you know it's very interesting the question of how much money by the ukrainian all agog skip to the trump campaign i don't think any ok and i think they did a lot with you because you're here to give an interview on a newspaper and. discussed with some discussions with from and from very well.

understand the kremlin position on ukraine but it doesn't understand what kids really want as police put the politically speaking so first trump has appeal against the kim government and the city we don't have to forget that russia is not a competitor for us germany he's of course and so i totally. trading between russia and units that still hold to g.d.p. for both sides so it's almost it's almost nothing so. it really is you surprise me to go. make america agree to industrial country again so just only interest to find an agreement means business owner might be just for him to make him great the history of this is that on a first let's see after november we know what. your words were because there was some actually very serious discussion between the us and the russian part but again

in my opinion we want any official result. you know we're going to have people every ten seconds more immediately it'll be very interesting language trump says russia is a competitor to john mccain rises from his deathbed to say that no russia is an enemy that going to the end of the putin spokesman says no i think quite trolling no trump is our partner ok. i didn't have all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk was. seventy four design issues. stem cells killings.

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yeah. i'd like to welcome the viewers and subscribers of our team today were talking to dmitry peskov spokesman for the russian president and this interview is special because mr peskov agreed to meet with us on the eve of one of the most important events in global politics this year i'm referring of course to the summit between vladimir putin and donald trump and the capital of finland thank you mr pascoe of thank you first let me ask you does it make any sense to talk to a person who can break his promises when we talk about global politics for example the principle of america first one of the promise to stop wars all over the world and not to start new ones of him eroding in the tonight nor with the parents or the parents who.