cyprus discussions of the un security council we investigate opposition to the air strips from where to resume launched attacks around the region all the support coming up in today's edition of going underground but first to our top story meets with vladimir putin today trump said it would be easier than meeting with nato and visiting a britain in turmoil over brics it but what attitude is he going to have to strike to change relations between the usa and russia because this was the way things were when his predecessor threatened the largest country on earth the two leaders clashed over syria and ukraine president obama and putin sharply disagree over how to deal with isis and syria's embattled president in separate addresses to the u.n. general assembly obama's vice president joe biden even issued a potentially apocalyptic threat to russia's president. says. we have the capacity to do. yes you'll know if you know the time

or jews in. the circumstances that have the greatest impact for potence party appears to hearken back to general eisenhower's assessment of the actual power of any president of the united states now and then to your. new president and so shows that you mistake it. this into a political it's political but i'm a novelist got pretty what your piece but only on three hundred thirty medium you came up with quickly just keeps me going to show it to you. from your question mcnaughton can discuss them got a comment sure enough. when you. got all that if you thought of doing it. well joining me via skype for his take on today's health think he summit is virginia state senator dick black senator welcome to going underground before we get to the health commentators were horrified by trump's performance in the nato

summit in brussels. well you know i look at it as a success because he applied a great deal of pressure are to nato. you know it's an unusual thing i don't think he has a great deal of love for nato but he is determined to reduce the trade deficit around the world and if he can do it by selling arms were choose to be done with saudi arabia now he's doing it with nato then he's going to do it. i would rather that we sell other things but i think that really is his objective he thinks as a businessman and he wants to reduce the trade deficit filmy is a back there was talk of russia joining nato you think trump is going to invite putin to for the russian federation to join the to well i don't think nato mack's any sense i think when the cold war ended they should have held

a big parade and dispersed it just as the warsaw pact was was was abandoned. right now you've got all of these bureaucrats in nato whose livelihood depends on having an animate and of course russia is the convenient one if it wasn't russia would be somewhere else but that's how they make their money that's how they make their incomes nato is an anachronism and it's a very dangerous anachronism both the only he said of the g seven meeting he thought that russia should be no readmitted to the g seven i mean just a brief historic interlude how far did relations between washington and moscow deteriorate under the obama obama administration. as he was he was not an expert on foreign policy he basically gave it all over to hillary clinton hillary clinton

why it is you know her objective was to make a lot of money while she was secretary of state she made two billion dollars and voluntary contributions from different countries that wanted us to move military force here and there. i don't think that i think putin had a degree of contempt towards obama he didn't see him as as being a stronger man lend vidual i really see you know with president trump personalities being a great deal and i think he has an admiration for president putin so so i remember after after russia and when the third attempt to find a way conquered grozny. president putin he impressed me tremendously because he flew in where i'm jogging clothes and he jogging around the main

square of grass' in a where he was clearly vulnerable to two snipers and so forth but he just show it was a gutsy move and showed that he was a man of courage who was willing to put his own life on the line just as he had required russian troops to put their lives on the line this is the kind of individual that president trump respects and i think they're going to have very good chemistry between the two of them and of course clinton would deny that a main objective is to make money to go with the clinton foundation perhaps that's get on to syria though because they did say they're going to be talking about syria the british government appeared to want to bomb syria the british government certainly said that the assad should not be. we there are no the syrian government flag flies over. in damascus province what do you think trump and putin will be

talking about with respect to syria well at this point syria has won the war the rebels hold one major pocket in the province and then about thirty percent of syria is occupied by the united states and by turkey and i think i think the president putin will talk about the mechanics of how do we how do we get the united states and turkey to withdraw so that syria can reestablish its borders that they don't need any help and defeating isis the syrian army is is enormously powerful and well led if we will get out of the way and stop supplying the terrorists there the war and and the refugees will begin to return so i know they'll be discussions about it i will be surprised if they walk

out and make some major announcement a policy i think most of what will happen will happen behind the scenes and i think that. i think it will be positive i think it will further move us towards peace in syria is fairly clear to me that behind the scenes president trump has issued orders that have weakened the terrorists he ended. the cia's program temper sycamore which back in two thousand and eleven when hillary clinton was around was designed to flow weapons to terrorists including al qaida and isis that when that came to light president trump killed the. rogue ram and wild weapons still flow they certainly are not flowing at

quite the rate that they were before he ended that program isn't the no the problem between trump and putin the very different perspective on iran and in that way in that the to me putin says concern similar to those of london and paris and berlin yes i would say there are really three things on syria i think there are some common ground. on ukraine i think there is perhaps some common ground on iran's president trump has made it fairly clear that we are headed towards a conflict of some sort i hope it short of a conflict i hope at some sort of a diplomatic arrangement president trump will be looking for. russia to draw back its support from iran perhaps forcing them to leave

syria but of course even russia only has so much so much clout over iran does trump would he not have been told that iran was on the same side as the united states and syria. you know that's a very good question he receives his intelligence from the cia from the national security agency and from the state department. information that he receives is heavily censored and and very unbalanced and so it's amazing if you listen to the to the mainstream media in the united states you would think that iran is on the side of isis and in fact they have lost perhaps thousands of troops fighting isis and they have been a very decisive factor in the defeat of isis al qaida all of the terrorist groups that the united states purports to oppose have been have been opposed

by iran i mean here and across western europe the the tool is no appeasement of love to be a putin what he has done in crimea despite the polls showing the crimean book relation if they want to be part of russia this is the reason ukraine is one of the major reasons why they cannot be in the peaceful ditto into with the mosco. well in the ukraine is simply an excuse frankly to look at the ukraine is it is unstable it is financially bankrupt it's run by a seven oligarchs it's utterly corrupt. if it were not a convenient tool for nato nobody would care about the ukraine frankly the crimea has always been russian it was given away through a quirk by nikita krushchev but as

a practical matter it is it is a and historically part of russia but do you think as for think donald trump will recognize crimea as russian that the health think he talks. i don't i would be very surprised if he makes that a recognition at that point because you know he's always got a counterbalance against this this media claim that somehow he's he's a tool of putin which is certainly not what i think he i think he believes sincerely that the crimea belongs to russia it does belong to russia it always says so as a big black thank you for the break children fleeing nato wars being separated from their parents when they reach the u.k. we speak to bail for immigration detainees about the victims of teresa mayes hostile environment and does cyprus get any say when u.k.

leaders decide to bomb countries from its. base we speak to cyprus as main opposition leader. told us of all coming to him going underground. would hold his hands do something to do. put themselves on the line they did accept or reject. so when you want to be president. or some want to be. the two going to be the person this is what will before three of them or can't be good. i'm interested always in the ones in the. first.

oh and yes. that. was. a good. welcome back now to one flashpoint issue that may come up when donald trump speaks to vladimir putin today in finland when britain tried to help destroy the government of syria as it did in iraq it did it from westminster. base in cyprus let's show you some pictures first released by the ministry of defense of the preparations that went on akrotiri last night just before the jets took off you can see that on the ground the engineers working out storm shot a missile that was eventually used yes sorry if akrotiri in cyprus is

a place of choice for the british government when it tries to threaten any country from iraq to syria to russia as regards russia we should engage but they where we are where is the activity that russia has undertaken the illegal antics a show of crimea it's continued activity in the ukraine also the action that it's taking in relation to to see information but is all well on the island of cyprus because even as britain's royal air force celebrated one hundred years of operations to a breathless sort of you become blood you gave media more demonstrations against the r.a.f. and. we are protesting here and i gained imperialist. return from this and of course there was the united states of america i gained through. the no controlling event of the people of these countries well joining me now from nicosia is the leader of cyprus as a main opposition party the progressive party of working people and draws kyprianos

just welcome to going underground just before we get to the issues of akrotiri for our audience just explain how it is that two hundred fifty four square kilometers of your island of cyprus is under british control as part of the terms of independence in one hundred sixty. you know sat there to be a point to return to learn sixty and. not understand i don't you know i'm going to get. a lot of negotiation. i have. to. leave the country. people on the. basis of forgive since. they are the main opposition what did your party think when tourism a launched the ash strikes on syria from the base at cherry.

from the very beginning and into the presence of their military bases. should not be used you know. maybe it's we don't know that. or. we in syria. we can look at. what are you going to read into the rest of. the enormous international no distinction of the united church going to the united nations. so we were and. we should. demonstrate to you against russia. and just to make it clear syria is maybe one hundred miles away from the island of cyprus and russia has a base in the taqiyya so this our a.f.

base used by nato is a kind of front line between nato and russia or arguably. a city to. understand. through here the military bases where you know that several minutes of what nato and of course the united states and britain because the information we receive is that businesses are also whether you heard of this. before america so. we have to get out and we have. to ask the british government nor you kind of basis or out of the ground because. it may happen that. we're going to be censor or minutes or. when they turn launches attacks from your ireland does your government have

a debate in parliament about it the way you can speak can you vote on it or does nato just use your island as an airstrip no unfortunately. the government of president considering a look at it and. saying that they're better than the military. so the government kind of your own kind of being and even my own. reading ordinary use of the basis. we didn't want that public before we got around to express its position publicly. they did not do so if you become the next leader of cyprus of the next elections and shut down the base what about people who say there are thousands of british soldiers that they help the economy of cyprus and because the r.a.f. is their own the areas of the most beautiful areas. so they could be used for two

degrees or so believe me and we. used to read these areas to the point where you of course let me say that one of them for us it's his i want to be open and see everything for us and the i'm going to go. and do it if you've got to have another thrown open i mean. protection. prediction about the president's order and. basis when we add up so we have decided to leave for all of this issues to be discussed off the dissolution of the sectors government ironic of course just. considering interlake nature based on the use of u.s. planes there and of course there's a turkish side to the question about yes you are right you are right we

won't know what i have to be limited to or we've seen with the military's ation a piano with us all this illusion of a separate sad reality becoming. what its inhabitants of course or all of them. will be meeting. underscore piano thank you. well while nato nation media today bizarrely targets trump for talking peace with it has been rightly appalled by images of american children in cages separated from their parents before his u. turn jumps seemingly brutal attitudes to human migration were universally condemned but why was barack obama not condemned for deporting more people than any other u.s. president in history and why was britain's cerys amaze slamming drugs policy on child's abrasion and deportation britain has apparently been doing it for years joining me

now to see the clogged director of the charity bail for immigration detainees cd before we get on to what your regio does tell you about one particular case that's been concerning you and that has resulted in compensation and that many appears to sound like something we've been watching over television screens from the mexican border yes well this case of a.g.s. who's been given anonymity by the courts the order was agreed to by the court yesterday. and. it's very shocking for those people who don't actually work in this field. a man who was the primary carer for his daughter. although the home office knew that the best interests of the child lay with being reunited with this far with her father nonetheless ignored the professional advice of the local authority and indeed the family courts that they

should be reunited and by the time they were reunited. that child was about three days away from being adopted adopt an adopted as they've been separated by the british government for it in fact lay had been observed to present and tense and at the end of his prison sentence instead of being released he was detained under immigration powers which incidentally. it's quite common practice there are currently about three hundred fifty eight people who are being detained in britain's prisons and immigration powers said they're not serving criminal sentences that tamed under immigration powers so instead of being reunited with his child as was the plan by those who are. authorized professionally capable of deciding what's in the interests of the children office ignored the professional advice and detained him under immigration powers and then when they moved him from the prison because initially he was detained in the prison and immigration powers

they moved him to a detention center but they moved him to a detention center two hundred fifty miles away from his daughter which meant that they could have no contact so. i mean overseas these policies we very much to do with our longest serving could use their prime minister who will we try to keep families together wherever possible when considering returns put the need to save good and promote the welfare of children at the center of any decision in this case we exist that we did not comply with the published policies as you say so i mean this is far from being an demick within a system that is indorsed by the executive as it has been up until recently but all true yet what they say that it's a one off and they were clearly not admitting any wider systemic problem here. but unfortunately it isn't a one off what people have to remember is that the home office has a statutory duty a legal duty to safeguard and promote the welfare of children and that means it has

to take all its decisions having regard to whether those decisions are actually in the best interests of the child they're supposed to make pro-active inquiries as to what is in the best interests of the children and there is an internal department within the office called the office of the children's champion which is supposed to advise on those matters. so far as caseworkers on those matters now we actually support anything between one hundred forty and one hundred seventy parents a year who have been separated from their children by detention and if it wasn't a systemic problem we wouldn't have a project that had to do that so. it is right in saying that they do have to safeguard and promote the welfare of children but as this particular case showed and as the home office admitted they were in breach of their own policies on this occasion is what they admit however if you think about

it if that is the case if it is a one off wouldn't you expect them to be launching an investigation into what went wrong and finding out what happened and rectify whatever it was that went wrong and ensure that it would never happen again we haven't heard anything there's nothing to substantiate your allegation it's casual cruelty. well what else would you call it if you if detention is not essential detention is optional detention is supposed to be used as a last resort. why would you know the juries. but in what way is it fun. but how if the child's best interest is with the parent which for most children it is unless there are suggestions that are somehow cruelty or neglect which that is very different not the case they are separating the parent

from their child for immigration reasons and for immigration reasons alone now there is nothing to stop people. having reporting conditions and for the most part most people do report regularly to the home office they don't need to be detained and in many of our cases i'm talking about hundreds of cases a year many of our cases people are completely compliant with their reporting conditions and on many occasions they go to report and they're detained from that reporting event and their children don't even know that they're going to be taken away you know you can imagine the trauma that puts a child through we've even had cases where the home office will come to the family home and detain someone from the family home i mean for this case that we started off talking about for example we provided the court with evidence of our caseload and we provided them with details of eight particular cases now in one case the

mother with two british minor children was actually taken into detention from the family home with absolutely no reason in front of the children one of the children had a severe health problem and was subsequently hospitalized immediately after that event for me very briefly what's it like if you're in do you have to deal with these cases and how do they get how do people get to yes well i mean i'm i'm lucky actually in the sense that are not on the coalface for my staff it's terrible i mean we have incidents where a father of four children was arrested on reporting and his four children had to be taken into care because the mother wasn't in the country home office was told by our staff member that there was no one to care for those children and actually it's against home office policy to do that if the only alternative is the children would be taken into care they're not allowed to do it under their own policies you know for my stuff it's very hard to see families suffer in that way and you know it's.

it takes its toll on people i think and they're just you know they're just trying to do their best to support people but i guess that's also why we're trying to raise awareness on this country and that we need to stop thank you. that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when nelson mandela will be one hundred to speak to former labor cabinet minister and activist go to haiti and about his new book mandela is essential life till then socially you will see on wednesday eight years of the david fashion would be backed by the united states and britain began to overthrow the socialist government of spain in the lead up to. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the

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