a day of top level diplomacy vladimir putin and donald trump wrap up their historic summit claiming great progress has been made our relationship. has never been worse. than it is now however that changed. as of about four hours ago. despite both leaders agreeing on a number of key issues the us media is up in arms over the results. or i don't know which side is the bride and which side of that is the groom anderson but it's or sort of feels like run away you have been watching perhaps one of the most disgraceful performances by an american president today's press conference in helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an american president in memory full french honor the victorious world cup team returns home to

a hero's welcome. cross stock as nax here on our national. following welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle if you're a political news junkie than you're probably experiencing a serious overdose consider the recent nato meeting trump's visit to the u.k. so called russia gate heats up and the trump putin summit we do. scratch that all

your own crossed. cross talking some a trade i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have eric krauss he is an independent political risk analyst and we have examined him or oh he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis ok gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it eric there is to much to talk about this week as i said in my introduction and we kind of overdosing on all of this here i think what's really most important we can get some up a few days of trumps visit to nato and then to the u.k. his reception and then he had achieved very much mr trump is a bit of a loose cannon and he likes keeping people off balance he will one day give warm warm praise and the next day absolutely terrible in the u.k.

. but this you've got to understand there's a method to his madness mr trump is a traveling salesman mr trump has one real interest in life which is to enhance american sales of arms and energy he wants l. the repeal ins to massively over spend on defense defense against whom you don't know ok ok so you get to my point here marc so it's not it's not about security guy least not from trump's point of view ok and i think the contradiction of trump pointing out that germany is talking about russian threat while they're also cutting billion dollar gas deals with russia points out the internal contradiction on that whether trump intended it or not but i agree with eric absolutely trump is is a businessman and he doesn't think in terms of geopolitics or american hegemony he thinks in terms of pluses and minuses of a balance sheet. and he sees that there's

a huge trade deficit between the u.s. and the e.u. therefore he wants to correct that any way he can and. that's his but what is that happening because exactly right after the bluster about all i mean trump called himself a stable genius which is quite remarkable for a politician to say i must say but mccrone came right out after what we really didn't agree to anything ok i mean again i always have i have this is just. what i would like to underline the fact that. there is always talking about create an independent group of defense so i was working the moment. of my call i'm going to answer to twelve so we don't want to pay more so get back to you or you nato and we're going to bite at least independent europe. of defense

but if it's an if that were to come to pass if that were to come up to pass i tend to think there'd be a reassessment of the threats don't you think and then they'd say well do we really need to spend this kind of money here i mean this is the wrinkle right here eric is that if you really step back and say what is a real real threat to europe then they are their defense would be commensurate to that not with the nato paradigm is today this is the fundamental problem contradiction of nato it was an alliance against the warsaw pact it was meant to fight conventional war and lies always generals were fighting the last war nothing next war it was meant to fight a conventional war with tanks and artillery in east in eastern europe that this is about as likely as a replay of the war of the roses or the thirty years war it's not going to happen the next third world war it's going to last forty five minutes and we won't have time to get on t.v. . so basically there is no real purpose the purpose is to keep the army the

military does. i mean we agree that you know they the thing is the mark you know i can understand where nato comes from there's a lot of people that work there and a lot of people that have jobs there but the real problem here is and they can't trump this kind of right for the wrong reason is that the nato is able at least the european members are able to reimagine a defense security architecture they're satisfied with what they have now well i think that's part of the problem is that it isn't a defense architecture at all. richard sakwa he called it a fateful geopolitical paradox that nato exists primarily to manage the risks created by its own existence now wonderful quote that is that is if you go by the standard rationale collective security keep russia out etc nato hasn't been used

that way in decades nato has become a political figure leaf tool for us military had gemini around the world jens stoltenberg pointed it out himself in response to his on the exactly of the head of nato pointed out exactly this week he says that if you its european part of nato the military usage to the united states is in perception that the use of met us military force around the world becomes much more acceptable in the eyes of the rest of the world when it's done through the filter of a coal ition within nato it is a political thing that. the military and i can't know because only healing has been pushed aside so that you know you have to remember that before you can do a main goal of nato if you look at the meeting in two thousand and two it was on to a teen was the fight against piracy. yes yes discouraged and that's also true of

a big you were to run some oh yeah right huge military for that and i couldn't agree more that it's a political institution the media there is a sion of europe and space by putting some space this is a way to politically control space and. you know more. the thing is is that you know you know i'm always a big advocate of sovereignty here but you know under the nato paradigm the nato countries are surrendering a lot of their sovereignty here but the way trump is doing it it's all of hackett's deal as we've said before and our g. tariffs and security for him it's all one thing ok and once you start fiddling with one of those three then it starts to unravel and this is what the elites in europe you know want to have happen to the corleone family we have a deal for you but it's a package deal we owed you. your opinion the leads are fairly pathetic i'm sorry to say that i have seen deterioration make my french national and i have seen the

deterioration of the governance of my country over the last few years which it would get done because politics is really technocratic now i mean there's you know there's one charisma figure in the west right now it looks a bit odd because donald trump i mean these other people don't inspire much well it's not just that i mean we don't understand how my cane to power the lection was feet long previous to feet no of course it was the head of the i.m.f. who got. set up in new york city. and then mr philo was removed by a sudden scandal would somebody pulled out. who is it who knows where all the skeletons are hidden in europe spending tens or hundreds of billions they are aware but then everything that presupposes that it doesn't do. does it matter who's

president of france now that matters to who is the prime minister of the u.k. i don't think so no any more you know. the most important thing is something to forget it's. right there is a pro western ideology which isn't here to talk about and so in my point it's just the product and. it's a product of this is to make the system and then probably it's a front to go by you know these are the elites. well in france. we call it zip codes ok where you never you never see the immigrants you never see drugs on the ground and also speaking of the variation of european union officials at this nato summit in brussels john then jonker walking around. that might could have been go ahead i mean it would be

toasted off his butt or if you believe the official version he has that problem sorry i. just can't you want to watch repeated videos again and again of the joke i mean we had he's the president of the european commission and i think he's a perfect metaphor for the european union today back in the day they used to mock that geriatric leaders of the soviet union branch in effect drop out for having to be propped up yeltsin i. mean it's up in this block and i want to ask you is. is the western north atlantic alliance it's changing is it forever changed mark i mean there's no going back to the status quo absolutely there is there it's . just intense to wait trumped up whether it's two years or four years or it might ok well now we can bring up another no not. so now it's a stag near me. i think it's changing.

it's clear that statement. no independent policy of defense was a need to so it can do time can say what you want it will win so he thinks he can pull out for us. all by himself and i don't know maybe you can see the mental story here which is that we are living in a period of accelerated transition we have in a single empire which was highly successful in one thousand nine hundred forty five controlled almost fifty percent of the group g.d.p. currently controls about eighteen percent is now the world's second largest economy let that sink in china by in p.p.p. terms of course you the world bank is the world's largest there is a shift in the center of gravity and what we're seeing and what we're talking about are symptoms the the real driving force is the the the general the change and the

change of the dominant empire and from a russian standpoint the ideal situation for russia was to do a balancing act between east and west. west has rendered impossible so russian orientation is now going to become much closer much more. yes that's correct well kate i'm going to jump in here this is a very nice segue to what i want to talk about in the second half of the program after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stayed with our. i think this catastrophe of falling in britain the past fifteen years or so was its connection to the e.u. and the ability to have its own currency and yet have passed right into the e.u. you take those away and you have this actually greece on steroids and all those banks and the e.u. and america. i'm going to attack the us

a plane and drive into bankruptcy. the new global economic war is unfolding in the realm of education the right to education has been supplanted by the right to access education low its high education is becoming just another product that can be bullish and sold but it's not just about education anymore it's also about running a business where you good. luck with this also the kind of fellow we couldn't be. more is the place of students in this business model before college i was born now i'm running stream or higher education the new global economic wall. shows seem wrong. but old rules just don't hold. any new belief yet to shape out this day becomes to etiquette and engage with equals

betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. choose to look for common ground. welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok eric i want to go to you before we talk about the summit in helsinki you want to make a point. basically i was sort of looking at the american media coverage of this and i was seeing an article in the in the new yorker which used to be a liberal relatively pacifist yes one. east coast publication and it has now gone full on propaganda stick and if you look at

the american media you now basically have as far as i can see three factions you have the d.n.c. which the democratic national committee group which is still arguing with the referee eighteen eighteen months after the final whistle was blown they're still arguing they lost the election you've got to get out and try to fight the next one you've got fox news with all that represents and always has represented that hasn't changed very much. and that's right and then you've got the military industrial complex which is making a lot so that's c.n.n. and them. and there is no there is no independence of any of them and the problem is that they want to score points against trump whatever it costs. me i'm really glad you brought this up because it's about susan b. glasser and it's the the amateur boxer up against muhammad ali washington fears trump will be no match for putin in helsinki now this is

a very interesting i'm glad you made it you made me aware of it mark but this is a perfect example of a low octane intelligence getting you know it's certainly i mean she's no sharp sharp knife in the drawer ok but not by any standards but this is the swamp this is a spy. article ok and it really is and eric's right it's against if it's against wrong from then it's perfectly fine but it has nothing to do with the geopolitical interest of the united states eighteen years ago the same it made us explaining where expanding that to putting it is to create a. noise mummy daddy that's not always mohamed ali right exactly it's interesting the title that she took you know that trump is an amateur boxer fighting muhammad and lee is supposedly a quote from an anonymous for her own store or to the core of his i don't. know the usual but not in that sort of threads from the blog that stated i mean back what

this article shows us and it's a good one to read and it's a good one to go if you if you flip through the new yorker's articles this week it is it is just one among many in a similar vein they're terrified of the summit because they and we it must be said do not know what trump will do at this summit there is no agreed upon reason for the summit other than to have a summit you know the idea of starting to talk but usually when there's a summit between the leaders of the u.s. and russia there are months of preparatory work low level officials on various issues go back and forth they detain the issues that roll call our policy it is playing right no no but what i said that i think you know i think there's the i think there is a method to this madness here i think no i think really what it is is that trump wants to make sure he's going to have the summit he wants and not what john bolton was not what pomp aoe wants not what always confuse nikki haley wants he's going to

have his you know they're in they're terrified when he goes into that room with just interpreters and his deep state handlers not there you know to handle him the way he can't do he he what he might do we don't know what he might do but there. terrified of that possibility ad him threatening threatening that germany that there are a captive of russia right when the opposite is actually closer to the truth or threatening to pull out of nato right just in the last week they were in the united kingdom where he's having a discussion with the prime minister and saying that boris johnson bojo anyway could put it in there to me but i don't see what. what either side can give to the other i don't see anything ok because there's a lot maybe because there's no preparation for it but i don't i don't see. how i don't. have good results but this was it we were no november election

what need no. meeting was put in for. election americans through care about foreign policy and a certain but we do know be careful we have indications that his base would like to see better relations with russia that's one of pushing it only because. we go full circle here everything he says he says for his base it's not about security it's not about economics it's not about anything except for himself and his base eric go on. at this point is that mr trump tomorrow announced that he had a meeting lined up with the holy ghost within twenty four hours that new york times would be the kremlin has ordered the the holy trinity their work there if they don't care and this is a very desolate god to temptation that i guess it's

a very dangerous situation for any country when the domestic political players are more interested in harming each other than for furthering the national interest this is when you get civil wars it looks with the indictment of the alleged twelve russian intelligence officials here i mean i think all of us think that the timing of that is quite peculiar to say well i mean it's obviously it's a political message right it comes right on the heels of the struct hearings in congress and their statement that it was ok but it's obviously a political attempt to derail the. you know one of the things i think is really important i'm glad you brought that up because we can and i watched the talking heads dissect that testimony from peter. struck it was one of the most amazing things i've ever seen in my life. beyond the optics too but what was interesting and i think this is we've talked about on this program many times of crisis of institutions this really is that really at the crux of all of this here is

the separation of powers is that the f.b.i. and the d.o.j. are defining congress this is not trivial this is not trivial at all and i think this is where it's coming in struck still being an employee of the f.b.i. gets the shield of the protection of the f.b.i. once he's out we'll see what happens to him his girlfriend. lisa paige looks like she's going to be ok ok we'll see that next week but there's an institutional crisis here. i mean france you are talking about. is this i mean is a seven speed the. permanence of. the. u.s. through these crises because it's of course if. no matter what it said during this summit. trumps likely to get any credit for it i mean it doesn't matter the outcome

even if there is no outcome and you said it he's going to get. basically it's going to like with kim he's going to come out is going to announce a major victory great step forward for american security they'll come up with some sort of my guess and it's only a guess and marco probably disagree is that putin will give something about iran. well see i think you agree that why would he do that why would he do that and then number two eric why should the russian political trust donald trump doesn't have to trust him he's not giving away the keys to the kremlin i grew up. so. how do you guys how do you know what you actually want to do i think they're discussing that could be you're fired. it bill is a deal in syria we know trump wants to pull out of syria his own military has been preventing him out one of the areas in particular is this all top of base in the south basically it's

a desert area there's very few rebels left there most of them have been transferred trained in transferred to it's going to be a token case i joke that important it's a highway there so part of the idea what the americans are so furious about now is is the president is meeting the israelis and the saudis are furious about now why the american dog is that the iranians are in syria while they don't want the iranians in syria and why did you go back why don't you try to overthrow thirty one flavors of jihad and sixteen hours right and that's exactly why the iranians in syria it's a lesson they already learned from iraq is trying to preserve relationship with israel to somebody and so do you really have the yes and that sort of but this is diplomacy so the idea is that they might offer that putin gets iran into a box a back down out of there miles iraqi others and in return the u.s. gives up a military base that it has syria that it has you know he was not let's not forget that there is a legitimate government in syria they have to be on the horn to also. have to do is

promise oh sure the iranians will be gone the americans give up the military base and then next week the iranians can be wherever they want is having you know you're an expert on ukraine is ukraine going to play any role in this summit do you think in my opinion first as a beatle against ukraine. and we know we saw what it did was about trucks or it was not love the regime inc yes yeah you know it's very interesting the question of how much money by the ukrainian all of our excuse to the trump campaign i don't think any ok and i think they did a lot with the you know what they're going to do to give an interview on a newspaper and. discussed with some discussions with from and from very well. i understand the criminal position on ukraine but it doesn't understand what kids really want as police put the politically speaking so first trump has appeal against the kim government and going to be we don't have to forget that russia is

not a competitor for us germany he's of course and so i truly do live in. trading between rich and united states still the g.d.p. for both sides so it's almost it's almost nothing so. it really is you surprised to . make america agree to industrial country again so just only interest to find an agreement means business owner might be just for him to make him great the history of this is they want to first let's see after november we know what are your words with because there is some actually very serious discussion between the u.s. and the russian part but again in my opinion we want any official result. you know going to people every ten seconds more immediately it will be very interesting language trump says russia is a competitor to john mccain rises from his deathbed to say that no russia is an

enemy that going to the end of a. spokesman says no i think quite trolling no trump is our partner ok. that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk roads. i played for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside guides. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the

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