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the very idea of a trumpeting summit was controversial from the start they met in helsinki and essentially agreed the u.s. and russia should at least engage in dialogue to start a process of mending a very damaged relationship much of the media and the foreign policy swamp reacted with an apocalyptic meltdown has the establishment lost its mind. crosstalk in the helsinki summit i'm joined by my guest michael o'hanlon in washington he's a senior fellow at the brookings institution also in washington we have daniel ferrazzi he is the director of grassroots political consulting and in london we cross to marry the chef ski she is a columnist for the independent and guardian aren't cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate mary let me go to you first in london i guess we are the most important take away impression of the of the summit in helsinki and what was accomplished two points go ahead mary.

well i think the most important thing was that it happened a tall i was one of the people who was actually quite in favor of it happening and felt the to should have happened much closer to the beginning of donald trump's presidency and i'm sorry that it wasn't as to what it to achieved i think that's probably best summed up in a phrase that president putin used in his initial statement where he talked about first steps and i think it was probably unrealistic to expect anything other than the thing more than first steps but i think at least that was a complex but of course in in the twenty four hours after the summit and after the press conference i mean what we've seen is been a complete demolition from washington i mean personally i'm just amazed looking at the u.s. response or at least probably what is better called the response of the washington

political establishment the swamp that's what i call it ok michael is that the same two points to you i mean you're the most important question you had in what was accomplished if anything go ahead michael but first peter greetings from the swamp here in washington in a second congratulations to russia and russia congratulations are an amazing world cup we all enjoy that around the world and i think it's worth emphasizing such points even on a serious political you michel because not only to bring us in the last hour we did not feel very isolated from the world ok so thank you very much it was a wonderful wonderful experience go ahead by two points on the summit go ahead yeah and then secondly i agree with mary's main point i think that it was good to have a summit i do regret that our president president trump probably did not handle the question about the twenty sixteen elections very well i understand why he doesn't want to get into that in a press conference where he's trying to sustain a positive vibe with president putin but i think he should have therefore given

a non-answer. rather than what we consider in the united states to be a wrong answer and that unfortunately did take the entire political commentary really on both sides of the political aisle here in washington in a negative direction against president trump not so much against president putin not so much against whatever substance may have been discussed privately but against that particular handling of the twenty sixteen election issue i hope we can move beyond that because i would like to view this as mary says at least baby steps towards a better relationship well you know daniel you know it seems that you know i mean trump is accused of coddling enemies in and dissing friends but you know the u.s. media sensually coddled of lattimer putin and demonized the president of the united states those questions and i saw that preview before that the press or jim acosta people like that they already had their knives out they weren't going to listen to the president they were just going to ask questions as if they were in washington d.c. they had no interest in what the two presidents had to say they went there and i'm

afraid and i'm going to agree with michael fell for it we should go ahead daniel. yet i would say washington would have woken up to a neo con nightmare no matter what happened there didn't even need to be a press conference this was all a foregone conclusion i will agree with mary as well i am pleased that this took place i'm also pleased that a great world cup was pulled off as well but you know this language today is against president trump and against putin as well all across the media you watch morning joe and it just on and on and on for at worse a across the channel spock's news is inflame c.n.n. and there's this short history in memory of president bush and vladimir putin having a good summit together trying and at that time there was the possibility of russian involvement in the european union and nato itself president obama and medvedev

their famous on camera. we're off camera cordial relationship back and forth hillary clinton the reset but because this is trump and because there is actually a chance dialogue and progressive steps being made on syria on ukraine and on other issues this is led up this town regardless of what happened and yet if it seems it has little to do with what actually happened in helsinki let me go to mary here we have former cia director john brennan quote donald trump's press conference performance in helsinki was treasonous he is wholly in the pocket of putin republican patriots where are you we have james komi wildly i mean you know lordy james komi your my goodness he says patriots need to stand up and reject the behavior of this president oh are they calling for a coup like they pulled off in ukraine in two thousand and fourteen go ahead mary. well i think they're probably calling for something

a lot short of that but i think what is behind what they said i mean aside from being a sort of need jerk reaction that they regarded what donald trump sad as being as betraying. as it were the good name and expertise of the united states now both of them are hardly friends of donald trump now so to an extent they were cheerleading or at least whatever the opposite of cheerleading is in washington against trump. but i think there is a real problem here what was donald trump supposed to do when confronted with what was going to be the question because although you know what's been sad. is well he should have given a non-answer well trump you know very often he's not diplomatic in that way he

doesn't really specialize in. no. and so i think there's a real problem was he supposed to say from his perspective was he supposed to say oh no you know now i believe all these all these claims that russia are into fantasy our election and colluded with my team to get me elected or was he going to say it which has been his position on that he actually rejects these claims even though a section not all but a section of u.s. intelligence actually says he supports them you know you know michel the thing is that. i agree with mary but you know obviously trump is not a man of nuance ok i think all of us would agree with that and everyone watching this program you know but what kind of answer was he supposed to demand from putin i mean he could say i listened to what he had to say but we have to move on because i mean it's a bit rich michael when the united states for the last seventy some years have been

throwing a lections undermining democracy installing governments i mean all over the world and so the russian military or counterintelligence they kind of poked around i mean it's part of their job they would be remiss if they didn't do it ok i don't understand this kind of moral outrage that someone might do what we do to the whole world all the time go ahead michael. i think you have accurately explained the way that for example president putin probably looks at this problem whatever he may have authorized in two thousand and sixteen and i believe he did authorize meddling in the u.s. and we have no evidence that there's a spear we have no evidence of that right but right we have no evidence that i just told you what i think ok i think we have pretty good evidence but i'd rather not i rather just accept your point that what you're doing is describing a worldview which has some basis of history behind it because you're right historically i don't believe this happens in this way anymore but historically the united states like the soviet union during the cold war both engineered. a number

of changes of government and certainly we're very interested in shaping the politics of a lot of countries around the world and we still do that although i think by more overt transparent means even today president putin thinks he's just recent break a thing i genuinely believe that's how he looks at the problem but what i would have suggested that president trump say is i'm not here to talk about twenty sixteen but we do have to harden our democracy against any effort by foreign interference from any source or maybe eighteen or maybe that one or maybe your family or maybe predicted in the democratic national committee to be predicted to be america's democracy that way it is will only make the let me go to be good at what i did i will not do you know what i mean well i mean i mean if there was anything rigged in the two thousand and sixteen election talk to bertie sanders about it all right daniel let me get a go to you will be finishing up this one part of the program go ahead. i would say that this will continue of course our tension and russia phobia there's a refusal from the foundation of this to accept russia as the soviet union down to

even the language they don't talk today about president trump and putin being like medvedev and obama and bush and putin and it's all in the terms of kennedy and nixon and these grand soviet meetings the world cup is another way of i mean how dare we say that you guys are in the twenty first century the second part of it being you know on the summit like kate said the press conference could happen or not and this would have ended up in the same level of tension and the irony is the point that you made peter we meddle and in fact everyone saying today trump should have said if you meddle in eighteen or twenty you know our relationships over well hell bent right here at the national prayer breakfast only a few months ago in washington d.c. there was a fundraiser held for putin's opposition right at the same conference where president trump was speaking so we meddle in interfere all over the world and this

is. big large powers do but i mean president it could have been brought right back from putin to trump about how overt you know raising money and giving a forum to his opposition candidate how much more blatant of interference can you get than that ok well we get we're going to go to a break here but you know the interesting thing is that i don't think it actually has much to do with russia anymore it has to do with impeachment and that's what it looks like to me all right i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the health summit state with a. new global economic war is unfolding in the realm of education the right to education being supplanted by the right to access education loans higher education is

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watching the hawks. welcome back across like we're all things are considered on petero we're discussing the helsinki summit. ok let me go back to mary in london finished the first half of the program here it's seems to me and i'm going to express my opinion is that no collusion is been proven actually the last indictment actually should make that clear rod rosenstein why he announced to the public is a mystery to me i don't think he should have done that but nonetheless so collusion is kind of off the table ok obstruction of justice that's pretty dicey too but

russia treason and this is what we're getting treason when you when a political culture starts using that term very loosely you know you're in trouble here this is something from the atlantic james fallows and this is where it's going this is the moment of truth for republicans the g.o.p. can either defend the united states or serve in the damaged and defective man who is now its president and this is their going into the midterms the election this is what they want to do they want to start picking off moderate republicans as they go into the election here it's because donald trump is a traitor that's their new message here i think that's disgusting ok when you start questioning other people's patriotism you know you're in a bad place go ahead mary.