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welcome to sophie and komi sophie shevardnadze while the idea of humanoid robots walking the streets is still just a dream in reality robotics is already taking over our daily lives we'll be able to create thinking robots in the future and alternately is that something we really want. to engineer while watching school work creator of the intelligent robert my guest today is going to answer all of those questions for you. the future belongs to machines robots able to do any conceivable task given below thinking and understanding language freeing up humans to pursue higher goals is this mission utopian or is humility on the verge of creating artificial intelligence and is it in danger of being made obsolete. my it song creation. pierrette money it's so

great to have you on our show today thanks for coming. let's start with artificial intelligence stephen hawking's that full artificial intelligence would spell out the and of humanity i've invested ten million dollars into artificial intelligence safety so what do you think which way would artificial intelligence threaten the human race was this three main trains of thought on our trip which intelligence and what we should do about it when it reached the consciousness of humans the first one is we never get there so why bother just carry on as are going this is that we will get there. it's the end of humanity so why bother doing anything about it and there's a third one is we don't really know what will happen when we get there so let's make some plans and put some safety measures in place so that when we do get there

at least were ready what's your take which one of these three lines of thought do you agree with i recently or in the middle of the two last ones so i think it's possible theoretically possible that we could get there somewhere and we should have some sort of measures in place when when it does eventually happen but i think it's going to be a long long long long time but i mean when we keep saying a long long long long time and there are so many technological breakthroughs and progress has become so fast in the last i don't know thirty or forty years especially last fifteen years so does it worry you or are you excited about it i'm excited about all the small progresses that we make but i also i know that there's a lot of. intelligence that we believe is much more intelligent than actually is a simulation of intelligence so that. robots and artificial intelligence are very

good at doing one thing at a time our brains are very good to lots and lots of things at same time so you think that by twenty fifty eight there are going to be a role was strolling around on our streets in a city how do you picture that happening are they just going to be rabbits walking along with us going about their business i think by twenty fifty which is the challenge that where we would have robots that could do many things right now they only do one thing at a time really well by twenty fifty they should be able to do lots of things at same time another time will be more comfortable i think with robots and calling them robots at the moment when we have a robot that does a job very well we call it that by the job that does for example a washing machine is in all its essence a robot it's all of the criteria a robot it's has sensors it does work for us that we don't want to do and so on so washing machine is a robot but we don't even consider it and anyway

a robot would just it's a machine that must be less robot in the sense that you know we regular people perceive it in that sense what is the most advanced red look that you've created what can eat do. but. yeah it's very easy to size robots. what i work on is specifically algorithms and. vision algorithms in particular so i teach robots have to see and how to see the world and that's a very difficult task for a robot it's very easy for us when we walk into a room we can instantly say where we are within that room and where all the rest of the objects are in that room and what the function of those objects are these concepts are very very difficult and it's. you could show you could teach an artificial intelligence what a chair looks like in several chairs you could never seen before right now and it

could pick out and say that is a chair but if you showed a series of things and said which of these is for sitting on that concept is too abstract right now for artificial intelligence so if you could create a dream row booked what would it be. a dream robot that your question. needs of the day i guess a robot when you ask it to do a function it can understand what it is that you want to do rather than having to particularly specify if you point at something and say i want that thing over there . for a robot that is so abstract to understand what gesture of the point and that you're indicating to something that's in the distance so i would like a robot that you could talk to in a natural language that understands these concepts that humans right now take for granted so at that point robots stops being just vaults. like you put it

right because with what else can a robot learn can can there be a slight chance that wall but can actually learn something about emotional intelligence not only artificial intelligence. feel something you know i think even for humans that's a very difficult concept to understand so we could i'm sure. long time before robots have actual feelings if that's even possible we could certainly have robots that simulate feelings in a way that we can't tell the difference. what if you can't tell the difference then what is the difference so in that case could humans be falling in love with robots i'm pretty sure they could easily do that i'm pretty sure humans could form of robots whether the robots could actually fall in love with humans that's an entirely different matter does that concept scares you that humans could follow with robots do you know there's so many strange humans in the world. who instead of

foam love it strange things as it is. you know i'm not going to be either change humanity or my own kind because if i were you i would say that my dream robot is someone who i can take charge a lot of have ever thought of that. i don't know i don't think that would be my my concept. or my dream role but of all i think it would be just something that makes my life easier rather than something that i could love so you have artificial intelligence versus human intelligence and those are two very different things but at this point already like you can have like a walk in a bar and instead of like human trio band you can have three robots lazing music band but who would want to hear that i'm going to humans don't go to see a play music if they don't you know waste their selves and emotions and sorrow and the music i am asking is that the human still be in demand after robots will be able to do everything like humans or maybe even better. well that's that's

a very interesting question and it's that right now you could go into. as you say into a bar under somebody who has programmed all his music into midi interface and he's actually not putting any anything extreme to the out there he's he or she is just playing this music that's pretty recorded perhaps is his or her voice is adding emotion to it i'm sure it is and can we simulate that with with robots and then if if it's not just this emotional thing what else do you minds have to offer that machines can't but i think that's the crux of the question and there is. i think over the years technology has shown that jobs are taken away jobs that i started working out for example i was designing circuit boards that's now done by robots i was building that's been taken over by machines but then new jobs are created from that and i think there will always be

a place for mankind we will find new things for us to do in science fiction it's often that we would go off to just explore and enjoy life while the machines on top have a bit more about where we have a place next to out once they start to do our jobs and we did if we outsource everything to robots well we lose an enormous amount of skills i mean as i said we don't realize how automated our lives are our grandparents per se they knew how to break bread you know how to make cheese we don't anymore if everyone is to drive around automate cars it means that no one will ever know how to drive anymore right the need to. do well isn't that a bit scary when you know that you are losing a certain skill is it about need or maybe preserving. harry takes your preserving skills it's also part of the heritage of human heritage absolutely absolutely and those kind of skills i mean people don't know how to bind books

anymore it's all done by print and those skills are are quite lost but they're forgotten by most people and as you said breaking bread and making bread but then there's new skills is computer generated art is computer generated music these days is robotics there's so many new skills we've space exploration that come from that years ago when they were breaking bread they didn't know how to do a spacewalk. so you think that we shouldn't be worried about losing certain amount of skills because they're inevitably replaced by idea once it's not it's not like we're going to run out of scales because we're so lazy that we're going to let machines do everything for us yeah i think we always look for something that's the nature of humans that we're interested in solving problems and finding solutions to the difficulties and the machines are. will continue to be helping us and that and

i think even when the machines surpass our intelligence we will still be able to work with them beside them so do you think of all will even go to schools or colleges so you have like robots teach you pretty much anything you need to know. i haven't really thought about that question but i think what you have chance to think yeah i think i think. right now wiki pedia and google is use so much in our daily lives. my daughter he is when she was nine years old she said i don't need to go to school anymore if i need to know something i just google it what was your reaction to that. i was like well in some ways yes she's right she does need to know something she can do a good but there's more than that in school there's also human interaction and there's skills that you need to learn apart from knowledge so you have skills and knowledge and both are important so how do you make sure you preserve that because you've said just like two seconds ago that even when the robots surpass us in their

skills and intelligence will still be able to work with them to guarantee what if they take over as one day yeah this concept is. you know i don't believe. they will i can't believe they will find in their programming every choir mentor a need for greed or power hunger or anything that we thought i believe is an inherent human flaw rather than a machine also has flaws it can just go out of order. when you get to deal with that. this is happens to some tools and the theoretical. of three laws or fourth laws you know to preserve which i don't believe will actually can be integrated into robots but as long as we have a big off button on there i think about as long as we have access to that. close down the aisle says to that baton peter we're going to take

a short break right now where we come back we'll continue talking to peter redmond engineer of arctic squirrel creator of the intelligent robot rob watt and i'll ask him who takes the blame if something goes wrong in an automated world stay with us .

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and we're back with peter brad mont engineer robotics coral peter there is this other thing that fascinates me and that's a granted reality when you put like google glasses on you see everything in three d. or forty while they're out of the time i worry just like laying around your house and you put on your glasses and all of a sudden you're in your office and that's how you can work all day. absolutely he. told me a part of what i do in vision and robotic vision is the upside of that which is the augmented reality that you talk of the two sides of the one point and it will be very easy to put on your goggles or are just done in your virtual world and you can be somewhere else you didn't even have to be in your office you can be working and then your environment in a different part of the world in different parts of the universe how long that happens i have a problem getting up in the morning. that take. your i think

you could probably do it in the next few years you could do it very effectively this technology. is right on the cutting edge of technologies right now as these developments on the happening data changes and the algorithms that are coming out that improve that and the speed of processing which is really where the bottleneck is for these processes what do you think about how well we humans cope with that progress because progress over the last century it's been consistent but somewhat slow and what we see for the past like fifteen or twenty areas are like major major breakthroughs like twenty five years ago not everyone had a computer and now you can't even think about your life or that computer i phone or your i pad and like you said everything is so automated you can put on a glasses and you know go to work and work from your bad. can leave emotional way handle this amount of innovation in such

a rapid pace always drastically changing so fast can we cope with that and catch up with it and i think the emotional aspect of that is not my area of expertise but ok but mentally but the technology part of it i don't really see. any reason why we should be able to do that and we are as humans were very mild and we can change diversify very easily and. i think i think as generations move on. like. two year olds can know type before they can they can write but i'm sure what is your concept of progress i'm sure it's something positive. progress is something that brings good things to humanity but when i look at it it doesn't necessarily change to society's for the best i mean the fact that a little baby can type at the age of two doesn't mean that. some crazy dude from my city is one quote an execution video on internet you know what i mean so do you

feel like progress is somehow changing human as humans or changing aside for the better or those are two parallel things progress is progress and humans will just never change society will say anything i have to say that progress is progress and humans are humans and. we reinvented teenty for making holes in mountains for transco through and of course the name the use it for destructive purposes and bombs and. that's human nature it's not it's not the fault of the technology or the progress it's it's the misuse of the technology that's the issue so it's always conception to thing that progress breeds a better society well i think that it would be really wrong to hold progress back because humans are are bought and i think i think that would be the counter-argument toward you suggesting. well already witnessed robotic and drone

warfare becoming a reality and. in korea for example they already have robots that kill what do you think about well what can kill you decide how can a robot decide. i'm totally against machines that can kill and machines making decisions even even when there's a human in the in the system which is that the excuse that a lot of these use it's very disjointed with the playstation. game sort of generation that's grown up playing battlefield in games like this where it's so easy to press a button and the little shadow figure in the distance drops and to do that in real life it's so destroying to the emotion as you have mentioned it several times before is there's not there is no feeling it's just a few pixels on a screen that you're interacting with my i think creating machines like thought that that are automatic or even semi automatic with a human in the loop is just is a misuse of technology do you think do you think this whole drone and robotics

warfare will which makes war certainly safer at least where they armies. breed more wars will we see more wars because they're just much more comfortable to fight at this point. i'm not sure whether it'll make more wars but i do i would argue that doesn't make them safer it just. means that you just need more of these technologies to attack the other side and probably never has the heisman technology which has been the way wars have been fought for for centuries. the invention of swords bow and arrows guns tanks and so on and now you have drones. as a man who actually. sees this whole artificial intelligence thing as i think that it's inevitable you know better be safe and ready for it what security measures would you come up with so that you know that someone who was responsible for it

should take the blame like normal says that if you do something you go to court and you go to jail right you can't just be like oh machine is wrong let's blow up the world but it's nobody's fault because something went wrong with the machine so what do you do with that because that's scary to. there must be a scare factor know like you can't just be like oh my fault sorry machine did it well you can't blame the machine these are issues that even if we look back before robots or anything like that for example had a simple device like your hair dryer and your drawing her and it exploded in your hands this could happen. who's to blame here well you usually see the kompany and they pay a lot of money you know what happens when a robot blows up half of the world who is responsible for that well what would you like for if you found the person who's responsible i would like to hear from you.

pros and writes my future which is at least not my choice anymore because it's an irreversible process and i like to hear that you know along with invention it will make sure that it's so safe that if something goes wrong there's certainly going to be someone who's going to take that way. and. i think the technology shouldn't be used in any way that's going to be unsafe and that would include a machine that can blow up the half the world. and anybody who puts a machine that can can possibly of all powerful world are even a small piece of it or even a few people. there are those people who have put that machine in that position obstinately wrong to do that i also believe that there should be so many safety functions on anything i've worked on autopilot systems for aircraft and those

aircraft autopilot systems are so many fail safes. redundant systems so that if something does fail there's a backup of the backup of the backup to make sure that doesn't it doesn't fail but still fails and whose fault is that is that the manufacturer like you say we want we find we sue the company who made the plane or who put the people on the plane or we sue the person who made the third one that broke down in the chain. is going to go with the flow and whatever happens happens then on to something that we said that we make sure that we have safety systems in there but we don't purposely make machines that cause harm i don't think you want to fly to space do you feel like. but could flight another galaxy. absolutely. a robot could certainly fly to the galaxy. i mean robots can we could program a robot to do it right now we could send a robot to another galaxy and we also think that he could be or she could be i

don't know i am saying he or she is a robot can be bots could be the first ones to act with. other forms are life aliens ok. sure i certainly believe in this huge universe that we live in but it would be. there's more out there i don't i would be hesitant to say that they've already visited us i just think that somewhere out there may not be any kind of maybe bacterial life and may not be anything teligent but i think it's probably there is some intelligent life out there and certainly from now we could we could send off a robot to interact with some other species out there of course it takes such a long time with current technologies to get anywhere that by the time it got there . we would probably meet halfway in the middle somewhere because life would

probably have developed in a similar pace to ours maybe not using robots could be colonizing mars instead of humans was already robots on mars so before humans to robots are living on mars if you want to call it living colonizing. and have a colony i guess you'd have to have some sort of reproduction system and that would mean that robots would have to go there and be able to create new robots for to build a colony rather than us just sending up teams of robots i just tell you something that would never ever be possible right i think it would be possible i certainly would. ok under this worrisome no. sorry user and i am not going away i thank you for this interview pierrette and thanks right thing that you are doing on good luck with everything thanks for talking to me it's a. when

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