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years specially last fifteen years does it worry you or are you excited about it i'm excited about all the small progresses that we make but i also know that there's a lot of. intelligence that we believe is much more intelligent than actually is a simulation of intelligence so the. robots in an artificial intelligence are very good at doing one thing at a time our brains are very good to lots and lots of things at same time so you think that by twenty fifty eight there are going to be of all was strolling around on our streets in a city how do you picture that happening are they just going to be rabbits walking along with us going about their business i think by twenty fifty which is the challenge that where we would have robots that could do many things right now they only do one thing at a time really well by twenty fifty they should be able to do lots of things at same time another time will be more comfortable i think with robots and calling them
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robots at the moment when we have a robot that does a job very well we call it that by the job that does for example a washing machine is in all its essence a robot it's all of the criteria a robot it has sensors it does work for us that we don't want to do and so on so washing machine is a robot but we don't even consider it and anyway a robot would just it's a machine that was left for a while but in the sense that you know we the regular people perceive it in that sense what is the most advanced red light that you've created what can eat. yeah it's very easy to size robots. what i work on is specifically algorithms. and vision algorithms in particular so i teach robots have c and how to see the world and that's a very difficult task for a robot it's very easy for us when we walk into
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a room we can instantly say where we are within that room and where all of the rest of the objects are in that room and what the function of those objects are these concepts are very very difficult and it's. you could show you could teach an artificial intelligence what a chair looks like in several chairs you could never seen before right now and it could pick out and say that is a chair but if you showed things and said which of these is for sitting on that concept is too abstract right now for artificial intelligence so if you could create a dream row book what would it be a dream robot that your question. needs of the day i guess a robot when you ask it to do a function it can understand what it is that you want to do rather than having to particularly specify if you point at something and say i want that thing over there
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. for a robot that is so abstract do you understand what gesture of the point and that you're indicating to something that's in the distance so i would like a robot that you could talk to in a natural language that understands these concepts that humans right now take for granted so at that point robots stops being involved. like you put it right because with what else can a robot learn can can there be a slight chance that wall but can actually learn something about emotional intelligence not only artificial intelligence. feel something new i think even for humans that's a very difficult concept to understand so we could i'm sure. long time before robots have actual feelings if that's even possible we could certainly have robots that simulate feelings in a way that we can't tell the difference. what if you can't tell the difference then
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what is the difference so in that case could humans be falling in love with robots i'm pretty sure they could easily do that i'm pretty sure humans could form of robots whether the robots could actually fall in love with humans that's an entirely different matter does that concept scares you that humans could follow with robots do you know there's so many strange humans in the world. who instead of foam love it strange things as it is. you know i'm not going to be either change humanity or mankind because if i were you i would say that my dream robot is someone who i can take charge a lot of have ever thought of that. i don't know i don't think that would be my my concept. or my dream role but it all i think it will be just something that makes my life easier rather than something that i could love so you have artificial intelligence versus human intelligence and those are two very different things but at this point already like you can have like a walk in a bar and instead of like human trio band you can have three robots were blazing
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music band. but who would want to hear that i'm going to humans don't go to see play music if they don't you know waste their selves and emotions and sorrow and the music i am asking is that will the human still be in demand after robots will be able to do everything like humans or maybe even better. well that's that's a very interesting question and it's that right now you could go into a as you say into a bar under somebody who has programmed all his music into midi interface and he's actually not putting any he extreme to that that he's he or she is just playing this music that's pretty recorded perhaps is his or her voice is adding emotion to it i'm sure it is and can we see make up with with robots and then if if it's not just this emotional thing what else do you minds have to offer that machines can't but i think that's the crux of the question and there is. i think over
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the years technology has shown that jobs are taken away jobs that i started working out for example i was designing circuit boards that's now done by robots i was building that's been taken over by machines but then new jobs are created from that and i think there will always be a place for mankind we will find new things for us to do in science fiction it's often that we would go off to just explore and enjoy life while the machines and time have a bit more about where we have a place next to out once they start to do our jobs and we did if we outsource everything to robots well we lose an enormous amount of skills i mean for us as i said we want to realize how automated our lives are our grandparents per se they knew how to break bread you know how to make cheese we don't anymore if everyone is to drive around automate cars it means that no one will ever know how to drive
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anymore right and moving me to. well isn't that a bit scary when you know that you are losing a certain skill is it about need or maybe preserving. harry takes your preserving skills is also part of the heritage of human heritage absolutely absolutely and those kind of skills i mean people don't know how to bind books anymore it's all done by print and those skills are are quite lost but they're forgotten by most people and as you said breaking bread and making bread but then there's new skills is computer it generation art is computer generated music these days is robotics there's so many new skills we've space exploration that come from that years ago when they were breaking bread they didn't know how to do a spacewalk. so you think that we shouldn't be worried about losing certain amount of skills because they're inevitably replaced by idea once it's not it's not like
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we're going to run out of scales because we're so lazy that we're going to let machines do everything for us yeah i think we always look for something that's the nature of humans that we're interested in solving problems and finding solutions to the difficulties and the machines are and will continue to be helping us and that and i think even when the machines surpass our intelligence we would still be able to work with them beside them so do you think of the will even go to schools or colleges so you have like robots teacher pretty much anything you need to know. i haven't really thought about that question but i think what you have just i think yeah i think think i. you know right now wiki pedia and google is use so much in our daily lives. my daughter when she was nine years old she said i don't need to go to school anymore i think if i need to know something i just google it what was your reaction to that. i was like well in some ways yes she's right she does need
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to know something she kind of good but there's more than that in school there's also humans direction and there's skills that you need to learn apart from knowledge so you have skills and knowledge and both are important so how do you make sure you preserve that because you've said just like two seconds ago that enabling was the robot surpass us in their skills and intelligence will still be able to work with them to guarantee what if they take over as one day. concept as. i don't believe. they will i can't believe they will find in their programming a requirement or a need for greed or power hunger or anything that. i thought i believe is an inherent human flaw rather than a machine but machine also has flaws it can just go out of order. where you get to deal with that. and this is the happens to some tools and. theoretical.
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of three laws or fourth laws are you know to preserve which i don't believe will actually can be integrated into robots but as long as we have a big off button on there i think about as long as we have access to it i would stone close down the ices to that bottom feeder we're going take a short break right now where we come back we'll continue talking to peter rabbit and engineer about exclude a creator of the intelligent robot grob want i'll ask him who takes the blame if something goes wrong in an automated world stay with us.
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put on your glasses and all of a sudden you're in your office and that's how you can work all day. absolutely he. told me a part of what i do envision robotic vision is the upside of that which is the augmented reality that you talk of the two sides of the one coin and it will be very easy to put on your goggles or are just done in your virtual world and you can be somewhere else he doesn't even have to be in your office you can be working on in any environment in a different part of the world in different parts of the universe how long that happens i have a problem going up and i want to. take. you there i think you could probably do it in the next few years you could do it very effectively this technology this is right on the cutting edge of technologies right now is these developments and it's happening daily to new changes in the algorithms that are coming out that improve up on the speed of processing which is really where the
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bottleneck is for these processes what do you think about how well we humans cope with that progress because progress over the last century is being consistent but somewhat slow and what we see for the past like fifteen or twenty years are like major major breakthroughs like twenty five years ago not everyone had a computer and now you can't even think about your life or that computer i phone or your i pad and like you said everything is so automated you can put area glasses and you know go to work and work from your bad. can leave emotional way handle this amount of innovation in such a rapid pace always drastically changing so fast can we cope with that and catch up with it and i think the emotional aspect of that is not my area of expertise but ok but mentally and but the technology part of it i don't really see. any reason why we should be able to do that and we are as humans were very mild and we can change
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diversify very easily and. i think i think as generations move on. as two year olds can know type before they can they can write but i'm sure what is your concept of progress i don't know i'm sure it's something positive . progress is something that brings good things to humanity but when i look at it it doesn't necessary change to society is for the best i mean the fact that a little baby can type at the age of two doesn't mean that. some crazy dude from iceland is what put an execution video on internet you know what i mean so do you feel like progress is somehow changing human as humans or changing aside for the better or those are two parallel things progress is progress and humans will just never change society will say the same i have to say that progress is progress
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and humans are humans and. we reinvented teenty for making holes and mountains for transco through and of course the name the use it for destructive purposes and bombs and. that's human nature it's not it's not the fault of the technology or the progress it's it's the misuse of the technology that's the issue so it's always conception to thing that progress breeds a better society well i think that would be really wrong to hold progress back because humans are are bad and i think i think that would be the counter-argument toward you suggesting. we're already witnessed robotic and drone warfare becoming a reality and. in korea for example they already have robots that kill what do you think about well what can kill you decide how can a robot decide. i'm totally against machines that can kill and machines making decisions even even when there's a human in the in the system which is that the excuse that
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a lot of these use it's still very disjointed and with the playstation. really a game sort of generation that's grown up playing battlefield in games like this where it's so easy to press a button and the little shadow figure in the distance drops and to do that in real life it's so this jointed the emotion as you have mentioned it several times before is there's not there is no feeling it's just a few pixels on a screen that you're interacting with my i think creating machines like thought that that are automatic or even semi automatic with a human in the loop is just is a misuse of technology do you think do you think this whole drone robotics warfare will which makes war certainly safer at least where they armies. breed more wars will we see more was because they're just much more comfortable to fight at this point. i'm not sure whether it'll make more wars but i do i would argue that doesn't make them safer bet it just. means that you just need
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more of these technologies to attack the other side and probably never has the heisman technology which has been the way wars have been fought for for centuries. sores bow and arrows guns tanks and so on and now you have drones. as a man who actually. this whole artificial intelligence thing is i think that it's inevitable but you know better be safe and ready for it what security measures would you come up with so that you know that someone who was responsible for it should take the blame like normal society is if you do something you go to court and you go to jail right you can't just be like oh machine is wrong let's blow up the world but it's nobody's fault because something went wrong with the machine so what do you do with that because that that's scary to. there must be
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a scare factor or no like you can't just be like oh my fault sorry machine did it you know. these are issues that even if we look back before robots or anything like that for example had a simple device like your hair dryer and your drawing or another exploded in terms this could happen. who's to blame here well you usually see the kompany and they pay a lot of money you know what happens when a robot blows up half of the world who is responsible for that i will what would you like for if you found the person who's responsible i would like to hear from you. rose and writes my future which is at least not my choice anymore because it's an irreversible process and i like to hear that you know along with invention it will make sure that it's so safe that if something goes wrong there's certainly going to be someone who's going to take the blame. and
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. i think the technology shouldn't be used in any way that's going to be unsafe and that would include a machine that can blow up the half the world. and anybody who puts a machine that can can possibly ball path world or even a small piece of it or even a few people. there those people who have put that machine in that position obstinately wrong to do that i also believe that there should be so many safety functions on anything i've worked on autopilot systems for aircraft and on those aircraft autopilot system there's so many fail safes. redundant systems so that if something does fail there's a backup of the backup of the backup to make sure that doesn't it doesn't fail still fails and whose fault is that is that the manufacturer like you say we want refined we sue the company who made the plane or who put the people on the plane or
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we sue the person who made the third one that broke down in the chain. is going to go with the flow and whatever happens happens then on to something that we said that we make sure that we have safety systems in there but we don't purposely make machines that cause harm i don't think you want to fly to space do you feel like robot could flight another galaxy. absolutely. a robot could certainly fly to the galaxy. i mean robots can we could program a robot to do it right now we could send a robot to another galaxy and we also think that he could be oh she could be i don't know i am saying he or she. can be bots could be the first ones to chameleon rat you know with other forms of life and ok. sure i certainly believe in this huge universe that we live in but it would be.
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there's more out there i don't i would be hesitant to say that they've already visited us i just think that somewhere out there may not be any kind of maybe bacteria life may not be anything intelligent but i think it's probably there is some intelligent life out there and certainly from now we could we could send off a robot to interact with some other species out there of course it takes such a long time with current technologies to get anywhere by the time we got there. we would probably meet halfway in the middle somewhere because life would probably have developed in a similar pace to ours maybe not using robots could be colonizing mars instead of humans was already robots on mars so before humans robots are living on mars if you want to call it living colonizing. and
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have a colony i guess you'd have to have some sort of reproduction system and that would mean that robots would have to go there and be able to create new robots for the colony rather than us just sending up teams of robots i just tell you something that would never ever be possible right i think it would be possible it's certainly . ok under this worrisome no. i'm sorry user and i am not going away i thank you for this interview pierrette and thanks right thing that you are doing on good luck with the red thanks for talking to and say. you know world big partisan law and construe. it's time to wake up
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