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in the following hours hundreds of emergency calls came in until around one o'clock this morning men use burning cars to block roads in dundonald on the outskirts of belfast while a few miles from there a bus with passengers on board was hijacked and torched yes violence is back on both sides and our next guest knows all about the pain and misery of that violence his father pat finucane a human rights lawyer who represented ira hunger striker and member of parliament while he sends before he was assassinated by paramilitaries linked to the party that made to raise him a u.k. prime minister his son solicitor and potential shin vein candidate for irish president johnson who can joins me now joan welcome to going underground before we get to the supreme court decision that we're all waiting for tell me about your father pat human rights lawyer tell you that i mean right at the beginning your family was forced out of their home when the trouble started before you aboard my father was
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a working class catholic from west belfast the falls road he grew up with six brothers and one sister a very busy working class family he was the first certainly the family possibly the st the area to go to university he qualified solicitor pay married my mother. middle class protestant and his career really exploded as the trouble to exploded and he was a solicitor who ultimately was was very successful and talented and i think what he saw needed to be telling is that and i think the ironic thing is that he probably post more of a threat to the pretty steep by doing what he did. anybody else who perhaps picked up on picked up a weapon and it was his success and challenging them and holding them to a kind that we now know ultimately brought him to their attention and mark to market for assassination and then your mom was wounded and your father shot. by
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militants in front in front of you. and there's milledge ns a link to the. currently keeping dres man yet the we haven't sold the donor the twelth fabry nine hundred eighty nine and the front door was slammed hubbard and my father got up because he heard the noise and he was shot fourteen times and front of us all and my mother was shot once so obviously it was that was as horrific as i'm sure your viewers could imagine but from really from the outset we began asking questions because up to that point my father had been threatened and directly by the police through his clients so for example people who were arrested and brought to interrogation centers were being told you may get yourself a new solicitor finnigan isn't going to be a ride for long he's nothing but a thug and a suit we are going to dig with out a couple of weeks before he was murdered there was a minister in the house of commons douglas hawg who stood up a bit
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a comment that there are a number of solicitors in northern ireland who are in julie sympathetic to the ira . very much we believe give the green light for the assassins to then enter our house and tell my father so we can questions and the more questions that we asked from initial steeds the more questions that they had rudolph and once human rights organizations whilst our supporters once people started looking into this they realised that it was a very very dirty and obviously ultimately not the army the police. other state agencies were involved this was something about that really more than the killing of one but it was something that was it was a system that was in police that affected many many people so the stevens inquiries established and did they establish that. your father was an innocent human rights lawyer and he was killed by british state. illusion we have always campian for
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a public inquiry but we have a series of investigations and reviews. the subtlety of the word is important because i'm inquiry of something that is public my family would have a right to be involved to questions to look at documents to really be part of a process a police investigation doesn't allow us to do that the stevens investigation is important we would say that it was a stepping stone to want to be a full inquiry we had no involvement in a police investigation the way that a family wouldn't and any police investigation looked at over a million documents he concluded that there was collusion that aids and so steep were involved in a plethora of crimes up to and including murder we never had any and so we were competent and with tony blair and we met with tony blair i think least two occasions and we were saying that what his government and i needed to do was to
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have the open inquiry. and also to. to heal the division that has brought still brings to mind that it needs to be dealt with properly my mother has always used the example that it is a very deep wound in our society and how you treat a deep wound is not by putting a plaster over the top of it because if you do that up it will ultimately fail or get infected burst and you need to get deep and be able to treat it properly and that is what we are asking the british government to do in our case and the international context here is by twenty five twenty six. everyone knows the u.k. government was involved in the murder of your father and the us has a representative resolution calling on the british government for a public inquiry presumably that gave you a degree of hope for justice we. had across party resolution and that all. that was but that was backed by the then so. all the parties in the south of ireland called
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for our call for an independent that was replicated in america and both houses of the house of representatives in the senate as well which at the time i think was saying by obama clinton i think it was unanimous in the senate we have really received presidential support three different presidents and human rights organization that has ever focused itself on our land has called for an inquiry the united nations other important individuals who have looked at this have all looked at our kids and come to the conclusion that there needs to be an inquiry to deal with this. the obstacle to the up is very much the british government not only have they denied to our family access to justice but they have been a very clear obstacle in preventing troops coming now as i said the president minority government lead it to raise a may because of a policy linked to paramilitary forces environment the trees there were accused of
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the murder of you you get an apology from david cameron winter is amazin government here in downing street and then what does he say to you well he again it was the coalition government between the tories and then that damns there had been a degree of a status quo with regard to our inquiry they commit departed said well we very much want to be with us and we engage with them and we spoke with them they were as to what it would take for this to be a credible process of a calmer invited of the garden state with the promise that we would be very happy with what we heard. instead of an inquiry want to see tourism is well know we did meet with trees in may we met we met with david cameron underwood pottersville who was the day and the secretary of state for the north what david cameron. the meeting very well he said that he was a young this wasn't on his watch he wanted to get to the truth of the matter all very encouraging but he then went on to say that the way to do that up would be a. barbara starr reviewed papers your viewers don't need to be lawyers to realize
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that you don't come to the truth by reading documents you know evidence needs to be talents that need to be transparent you need to compel witnesses to give evidence. of challenge in a fairly robust way especially when we're talking about state collusion that led to the murder of my father one of their own citizens an officer of the court so we were very dismayed to be a very. i think my mum effectively forced him out of his own room and died in straight sets it was before the meeting came to an abrupt end that we were in a room beside the cabinet office looking over the various great buildings of whitehall and when we were challenging him on the fact that this process wouldn't be kickable of getting to the truth and be in transpired and inspiring our confidence he seemed to get frustrated and he gestured he gestured to the window in the buildings around and said look there's people around here who would even want
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me to do this they just won't let me give an inquiry and for me that was that was very telling it was foundations of music through yeah it's very much the tail wagging the dog and when the prime minister is certainly given the impression that he's not the one who ultimately calls the shots that i think is very disturbing when you're dealing with an issue where intelligency and cs were directing killers to killed those who the. desirables but the important part i think for me is that whilst once we weren't happy with the process that he was that he was putting forward he apologized for collusion he accepted that there was collusion and he did privately and then very much public details in the warrant was issued up and part of the set up and i always find i always find it streams that there is an apology at the outset of a process for me an apology should come if it's warranted at the end of a process. the way that he did with
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a degree of of style and dignity at the end of the book when the man he dealt with in the way that it should have been dealt with but for us we were effectively told there is cohesion it is horrific and the government towards it is worse than anything that has come out of iraq and afghanistan as far as their own personnel are concerned we are very sorry for the book we're not going to tell you exactly what went on and i think that it's up as our way to approach things albeit that though this. was prosecuted so it doesn't exist still said that while m i five the police me they're all involved in the killing of the there was no overarching state conspiracy and presumably the supreme global say there's no overarching state conspiracy well the supreme court has a different question before and i don't think it's being invaded to make that conclusion i would haue of with regards to silva's conclusion i would i would
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respectfully challenge the op i don't see how. the police the army the intelligence service can do what they did all. the people that we knew were involved were subsequently promoted daiquiri added a fact if we can go out to the other by the state for the job. this is not something that you can do with the resources. be and crude there are dead bodies on the street and they are piling up over a series of years from the eighty's in the ninety's ministers with any sort of weapon responsibility should be setting up and asking questions on less they are very much aware that the system is doing exactly what the system was designed to do which is direct killers proxy killers on behalf of the british government to kill people who the intelligence services do not want to bite anymore we have seen that collusion is blind at the fact that my family it's affected products and it's affected conflicts i have no doubt that there were personnel within the irish who were it's of the state of. we were directed to kill on behalf of the british
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government could include pretty soldiers that could include policemen as long as the intelligence was life then it was a very simple decision that was me and so i would struggle to find it doesn't work its way up and department into the political sphere we already. had statement and one of the reviews previous to. by former canadian supreme court peter corry he saw papers that were marked for that attention. which i think needs to be ptolemy's which needs to be heard and in a public forum as this went all the way to the very top. thank you after the break . and original. plays us out with a track from his new album good. cool been by implying. that the. british go on holiday.
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to the. still lack to reach in the nineteen seventies. a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. the german company developed. a drug that was promoted as completely. bring the. terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. just. victims have to receive compensation. for the suffering then. i want the event. to prepare the program i had to look.
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a lot of material listened to a lot of material and also read a lot of material that. it was appalling. and not only that when you get these images into your head and of course the images that i was you were far more graphic than anything i could include in a in a television. camera . roughly once they showed some of these for them. to. suit your own cool videos and so on with the broccoli string. down more on string i don't rightly don't t.v. . welcome back british politics is in virtual meltdown as brecht said threatens the premiership of minority u.k. government needed to raise a may two of some of her latest resigned ministers spoke up at prime minister's
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questions before the foreign secretary gave his resignation speech first was may's former british secretary david davis he asked about making public work carried out in his department on alleged the e.u. trade deal double standards as the prime minister's aware the department for its to the european union carried out a study of all of the previous free trade deals the european union has done in order to create a free trade deal draw free trade deal which was based soley on european precedent the department was until i left at least was carrying out a legal text of creating a legal text of such a draft treaty as a as one fallback option in the event of the current negotiation which she agreed to publish that text when it's complete tourism a would commit to no to undertaking to make it public then another m.b. was resigned from her administration in the past few days ask about contingency plans. to threaten the e.u.
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with a no deal breaks it tomorrow on the bill friends please give instructions that every communication related to no deal serves to poster on negotiating position and right by reinforcing the credibility of the feasibility of those contingency plans yes said the pm but the european union need to be in no doubt that we are making those preparations and ensuring that should be the outcome will be on the path resignations threats of no confidence threats against the e.u. he has jeremy corbyn who is arguably been welcoming blairite resignations on his own benches he now leads in opinion polls to replace theresa may with a majority labor government after two years negotiating with themselves they then wanted to shut down parliament five days. they've even given up on negotiating with each other it isn't the case that the government is failing to negotiate breaks it . trying to meet the needs of the country because they are too busy far too
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busy fighting each other to raise it may replied by implying that corbin was an anti seem right. when i was because he didn't see our future security relationship with europe he was renegotiating the definition of anti semitism but attempts to tell the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement with anti semitism appear not to be succeeding even mainstream media appears to suggest that the conservatives lack of governance suggests a kind of an icky in the u.k. well one man who's arguably well placed to judge is our next guest that matlock is no original member of the sex pistols and his new solo album good to go is out next month he joins me now len welcome back to going underground so on this day in one hundred seventy six the world woke up to. the aftermath of anarchy in the u.k. being premiered in manchester it was it was but. why has it become such. important to record so many years later just because it was.
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not something that i think is it we could actually think the looks of things that all came for governor point in fun possibly but a song i miss from a colder paper that still reverberates around the world to die but this many decades later. that i must hit on something right ok the production on i got album as compared to your new album so so different why does the new album good to go sound. a bit buoy nine hundred seventy three oh i'm gonna sound a bit probably not a seventy three but is an element of. the spiders from mars album are they going to text me like the brain sort of. powers everything with the acoustic it's all over but if you get a guitarist to imitate that i did it oh you did that but i do know that it looks like it's not yeah but hell slick plays overlayed but he plays it's weirdly bets
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and i play the simple bit and kind of come on isaac as this kind of thing but i mean. punk presumably was a reaction not only politically against that kind of glam rock you know it was able to resist it wasn't it was a it was it might be a direction to get some of the more out of applause. was to program con about and say i have not traveled and that went from hopefully no one remembers actually does some of it on reflection be blitzing is quite good you know and so i climb rock stuff this part of. a. new little old underground give it the sound on this album is more room and it's sort of some elements of pro group you know it's been my not get out of acknowledging well i think it's going to go a bit of a little bit about the heart of my life and i find this of punk music and it's a different thing out the naacp and might and i love this because i've been to most of the two stitch i was around the world with. a comma can opener by and forgiven
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for about them on a. over the bar and so the songs could breathe a little bit more non-small might surrender and find some reply most of the drum on the album. if ab out for than anything they've been it's common to lend it a bit more of a swing it's more of a symbolic on a sound on on a skiffle an oddly rockabilly and stuff always i've done he suggested and i was slick in on the no union movement before so kind of kind of govern i haven't come out. hopefully it's hoped for more than the sum of the parts of the paper involved but you have been playing the souls of the t.c. you need. for a new deal for work is that if they're good at them and done pretty well on thank you very much you come from a trade union but i did my dad was in front of the internal workers in it and always remember when i was a lad and late sixty's he come on for me and he would have it was
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a bit annoyed us and he said hold a plug for both of the events of me shops to on the credit i will get out much i'm going to vote or he might not it's going to be trouble in about a month like i was redundant in my life before the shop steward kind of struck a bit with a cold with me of people trying to stand up for their rights even though the eye is a way somebody is trying to pull the rug from underneath it with. your father. maybe not jewish but i mean do you trust your week. because you also when you were at school been labeled lud yeah far more than other tours. because at that particular concert and way play the mainstream media was saying there's a publisher to give in to it which is quite rare for. activists gatherings and they said it was a complete failure are sometimes rubbish nothing else but i want to cite i think from my count as the new revenue god any people then understand in terms of paper
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tickets and i think bottom sign that paper actually went out and bought more tickets for the first time they've ever done anything like that and i thought it was kind of quite a cool thing to be involved in so there's a lot of right wing person this country and they particularly because obviously lots of the blairites went is it because nobody's elysium because he's. not in their interest. i felt comfortable with his musician and the press and travel around the vested interests you come across a. company come acquire power more than if you want then why do you believe when it comes to vested interests the korean war which killed maybe a fifth of the entire country britain career in maybe twenty percent of the temple relation. no one can say that you were playing for any vested interests you played at the demilitarized yeah i'm among a bunch of other people's obvious just going to govern our very best musician to transfer some solidarity through our anger and cousins i didn't like on island and
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i think the whole thing had become a bit of a cork thing the guy no prove himself you know this because his boss think he found himself painted into a corner not really understanding why nothing anything that can be done top in the door of a chain you know k'naan about how it was this before would signal be used as the thing was before everything happened with the media as you've sold. yeah and there's a whole bunch of paper involved. just trying to bring small when to i want to find out for myself i've never been to korea before and consequently so i didn't know the. merest soul who's hoping to become the next president may come up on the tri interns to visit them to zed's on the d.m.z. zone i need to sign how i met him at the station and how he hoped that in a couple of years time if everything goes all right it will become international
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stars from what i was kind of work to live used to go to work the most on the bowl and maybe one buy it will even come to her so long to come because i mean that there francis with north korea in the pota stop the sun and even out thank you before we go again is going to pass out with a song from his new album good to go will be back on monday to go on the ground in afghanistan where to raise amaze just sent four hundred forty troops to support nato's longest war till then keep in touch via social media we'll see you on monday fifty seven years to the day of the founding of the sandinista movement in nicaragua which would defeat cia backed contra death squads in the one nine hundred eighty s. paid for by u.s. taxpayers he has been matlock with his new song who can you.
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bowl. a way that they. tell you. come. back even. if. you want to. come don't. say. no matter what. they. may come. to say. oh. i'm going to go to. going to go it's a. no. brainer. ciena
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a long way and no way this is the same way. no matter what just say. no matter what. a player. told. you so cold a. cold. cold. cold and shut case.
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the new global economic war is unfolding in the realm of education the right to education has been supplanted by the right to access education. higher education is becoming just another product that can be pooled and sold so there's not just about education anymore it's also about running a business where you good. luck with the. kind of really couldn't you. want is the place of students in this business model before college i was born now i'm an extremely more higher education the new global economic war. plus my comparison to the u.k. versus the u.s. policies versus trade so go to the global trading environment with the
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ability to leverage america's got a leverage in that economy and you can reshape the global economy they eat you can a went against the e.u. with no leverage they have a zero leverage against the e.u. therefore they've lost tragically against you and their colleagues being marginalized and isolated as a result of it they completely misstated our misunderstood there in the equation between the u.k. and the e.u. when it comes to business and trade. system we do. want to still. nothing. now you could. do it a little. let me go to the
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it's really you know it's. a little first let's only about the looking the other couldn't fulfill one of the mighty well columns on the wall. you'll. never get. to see if you look at it.
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a year after islamic state is run out of the iraqi city of mosul it still remains in ruins we hear from a local resident about life after liberation but your body still down there on their feet bodies in that house behind us just still inside the stench coming from them these very strong children are getting sick because of this. a shaky cease fire is restored between hamas militants and israel after violent clashes on the gaza border raising fears of a full blown conflict in the region. and students at a university in england remove a famous poem by british writer rudyard kipling from the campus wall claiming he was a racist who stood against their ideals we asked people in london what they thought about.

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