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a night of tension and disorder police warned that loyalist paramilitaries were planning to orchestrate and participate in serious disorder in east belfast in the following hours hundreds of emergency calls came in until around one o'clock this morning men use burning cars to block roads in dundonald on the outskirts of belfast while a few miles from there a bus with passengers on board was hijacked and torched yes violence is back on both sides and our next guest knows all about the pain and misery of that violence his father pat finucane a human rights lawyer who represented ira hunger striker and member of parliament bobby sense before he was assassinated by paramilitaries linked to the party that made to raise him a u.k. prime minister his son solicitor and potential shin vein candidate for irish president johnson who can joins me now joe welcome to going underground before we get to the supreme court decision that we're all waiting for tell me about your father pat human rights lawyer tell you i mean right at the beginning your family
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was forced out of their home when the trouble started before you aboard my father was a working class catholic from west belfast the falls road he grew up with six brothers and one sister a very busy working class family and he was the first certainly the family possibly the st the area to go to university he qualified as a solicitor pay married my mother. middle class protestant and his career really exploded as the trouble to explode and he was a solicitor who ultimately was was very successful and talented and i think what he saw needed to be telling is that and i think the ironic thing is that he probably post more of a threat to the pretty steep by doing what he did. anybody else who perhaps picked up on picked up a weapon and it was his success and talent. in them and holding them to
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a kind that we know you knew all that we brought him to their attention marked a minute for assassination and then mom was wounded and your father shot dead by militants in front in front of you. and there's militants a link to the. currently keeping dres man about the we haven't sold the donor the twelth fabry nine hundred eighty nine and the front door was slammed hubbard and my father good up because he heard the noise and he was shot fourteen times and front of us all and my mother was shot once so obviously it was that was as horrific as i'm sure your viewers could imagine but from really from the outset we began asking questions because up to that point my father had been threatened and directly by the police through his clients so for example people who were arrested and brought to interrogation centers were being told you may get yourself a new solicitor finnigan isn't going to be around for long he's nothing but
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a thug and a suit we are going to dig with out a couple of weeks before he was murdered there was a minister in the house of commons douglas hawg who stood up and made a comment that there are a number of solicitors in northern ireland who are in julie sympathetic to the ira . very much we believe gave the green light for the assassins to then enter our house and tell my father so we can questions in the more questions that we asked from initial speeds the more questions that they had rudolph and once human rights organizations are supporters once people started looking into this they realized that it was a very very dirty and obviously ultimately not the army the police. other state agencies were involved this was something. really more than the killing of one but it was something that was it was a system that was in police that affected many many people so the stevens inquiry is. and did they establish that. your father was an innocent human rights
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lawyer and he was killed by british state collusion we have always come in for a public inquiry but we have a series of investigations and reviews and the subtlety of the warden is important because i'm inquiry is something that is public my family would have a right to be involved to questions to look at documents to you know really be part of a process a police investigation doesn't allow us to do that stevens investigation is important we would say that it was a stepping stone to what should be a full inquiry we had no involvement in a police investigation the way that a family wouldn't and any police investigation. looked at over a million documents he concluded that there was collusion that aids and so were involved in a plethora of crimes up to and including murder we never had any and so we were
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campaigning with tony blair and we met with tony blair i think on the least two occasions we were saying that what his government and i needed to do was to have the open inquiry. and also to. to heal the division that the coalition has brought and still brings to that it needs to be dealt with properly my mother has always used the example that it is a very deep wound in our society and how you treat a deep wound is not by putting a plaster over the top of it because if you do that up it will ultimately fail or get infected burst and you need to get deep and be able to treat it properly and is what we are asking the british government to do in our case and the international context here is by twenty five twenty six. everyone knows the u.k. government was involved in the murder of your father and the us house of representatives resolution calling on the british government for a public inquiry presumably that. gave you a degree of hope for justice we. had
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a cross party resolution and that all in dublin that was but that was bought by the then take a shock to all the parties in the south of ireland called for call for an independent quarry that was replicated in america and both houses the house of representatives and the senate as well which at the time i think was signed by obama clinton i think it was unanimous in the senate we have really received presidential support three different presidents and human rights organization that has ever focused itself on our land has called for an inquiry the united nations other important individuals who have looked at this have all looked at our kids and come to the conclusion that there needs to be an inquiry to deal with this. the obstacle to the op is very much the british government not only have they denied to our family to justice but they have been a very clear obstacle in preventing truth coming now as i said the president
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minority government lead it to raise a may because of a party linked to paramilitary part of the environment the trees there were accused of the murder of you you get an apology from david cameron winter is amazin government here in downing street and then what does he say to you well he again it was the coalition government between the tories and the dams there had been a degree of a status quo with regard to our inquiry they commit the pardon said but we very much want to be with us and we engage with them and we spoke with them they were as to what it would take for this to be a credible process of a calmer invited of the dardenne straight with the promise that we would be very happy with what we heard. instead of an inquiry want to see tourism is we'll know we know we did meet with trees in may we met we met with david cameron under one politician who was that they and the secretary of state for the north what they have a common. meeting very well he said. that he was
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a young man this wasn't on his watch he wanted to get to the truth of the matter. but he then went on to say that the way to do that up would be a barrister review and papers your viewers don't need to be lawyers to realize that you don't come to the truth by reading documents you know evidence needs to be talons that need to be transparent you need to compel witnesses to give evidence. of challenge in a fairly robust way especially when we're talking about state collusion that led to the murder of my father one of the citizens an officer of the court so we were very dismayed to be a very. i think my mum effectively forced him out of his own room and died in straight sets that was before the meeting came to an abrupt end that we were in a room beside the cabinet office looking over the various great buildings of whitehall and when we were challenging him on the fact that this process wouldn't be kickable of getting to the truth and be in transpired and inspiring our
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confidence he seemed to get frustrated and he gestured he gestured to the window in the buildings around and said look there's people around here who would even want me to do this they just won't let me give an inquiry and for me that was that was very telling it was foundations of music through yeah it's very much the tail wagging the dog and when the prime minister is certainly given the impression that he's not the one who ultimately calls the shots that i think is very disturbing when you're dealing with an issue where intelligency and seas were directing killers to killed those who the. desirables but the important part i think for me is that whilst once we weren't happy with the process that he was that he was putting forward he apologized for collusion he accepted that there was collusion and he did privately and then very much public details of the warning was issued up and part of the set up and i always. i i always find it streams that there is an
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apology at the outset of a process for me an apology should come if it's warranted at the end of a process the way that he did with a degree of of style and dignity at the end of the book when the bloody sunday inquiry ultimately reported and he dealt with in the way that it should have been dealt with but for us we were effectively told there is cohesion it is horrific and the government towards it is worse than anything that has come out of iraq and afghanistan as far as their own personnel are concerned we are very sorry for the book we're not going to tell you exactly what went on and i think that it's up as our way to approach things albeit that though this. was prosecuted so it doesn't exist still said that while m i five the police me they're all involved in the killing of the there was no overarching state conspiracy and presumably the supreme global say there's no overarching state conspiracy well the supreme court has
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a different question before and i don't think it's being invited to make that conclusion i would haue of with regards to silva's conclusion i would i would respectfully challenge the op i don't see how. the police the army the intelligence service can do what they did all. the people that we knew were involved were subsequently promoted decorated effectively congrats to the other by the state for the job. this is not something that you can do with the resources. be in crude there are dead bodies on the street and they are piling up over a series of years from the eighty's and the ninety's ministers with any sort of weapon responsibility should be setting up and asking questions on less they are very much aware that the system is doing exactly what the system was designed to do which is direct killers proxy killers on behalf of the british government to kill people who the intelligence services do not want to bite anymore and we have seen.
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collusion is blind at the fact that my family it's affected products and it's a fact that conflicts i have that there were personnel within the who were it's of the state who were directed to kill on behalf of the british government could include pretty soldiers that could include policemen as long as the intelligence was more worthy than the life that it was a very simple decision that was me and so i would struggle to find out that doesn't work its way up and department into the political sphere we already have douglas hall helping me it has statement and one of the reviews previous to you. by the former canadian supreme court jurist peter corry he saw papers that were marked for a couple of attention. which i think needs to be ptolemy's which needs to be heard in a public forum as this went all the way to the very top. thank you after the break songwriter and original. play is us out with
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a track from his new album good to go. again on this is generally cool been by implying. that the last of all british m.p.'s go on holiday all this and more coming up to of going underground. independent means that you're not going to take instruction from any of them and we know that in the situation of syria. the mandate that was given to us is well it's not one. broad it is focusing on identifying. the most.
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it's hard to imagine but decades after the war a nazi doctor was still active rich in a not in seventies critter had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery at ash was a german company grown until developed solidified a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy and it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby is anything paul. she said he's just cut short arms minix a little mind victims i have to this day received no compensation and never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. welcome back british politics is in virtual meltdown as brecht said threatens the premiership of minority u.k. government needed to raise a may two of some of her latest resigned ministers spoke up at prime minister's
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questions before the foreign secretary gave his resignation speech first was may's former british secretary david davis he asked about making public work carried out in his department on alleged the e.u. trade deal double standards as the prime minister's aware the department for its to the european union carried out a study of all of the previous create trade deals the european union has done in order to create a free trade deal draft free trade deal which was based soley on european precedents the department was until i left at least was carrying out a legal text of creating a legal text of such a draft treaty as a as one fallback option in the event of the current negotiation which she agreed to publish that text when it's complete tourism a would commit to no to undertaking to make it public then another m.b. was resigned from her administration in the past few days ask about contingency plans to threaten the e.u.
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with a no deal breaks it from iraq on the boyfriend please give instructions that every communication related to no deal serves to poster on negotiating position and right by reinforcing the credibility of the feasibility of those contingency plans yes said the pm but the european union need to be in no doubt that we are making those preparations and ensuring that should that be the outcome we are prepared resignations threats of no confidence threats against the e.u. he has jeremy corbyn who is arguably been welcoming blairite resignations on his own bed just he now leads in opinion polls to replace stories in may with a majority labor government after two years negotiating with themselves they then wanted to shut down parliament fire. they've even given up on negotiating with each other isn't it a case that the government is failing to negotiate breaks it. finding to meet the needs of the country because they are too busy or too busy fighting each other
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to raise it may replied by implying the cool bin was an anti semite. was because he didn't see a future security relationship with europe he was renegotiating the definition of ninety seven but attempts to tell the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement with anti semitism opinion not to be succeeding even mainstream media appears to suggest that the conservatives lack of governance suggest a kind of an icky in the u.k. well one man who's arguably well placed to judge is our next guest that math blog is no original member of the sex pistols and his new solo album good to go is out next month he joins me now glenn welcome back to going underground so on this day nine hundred seventy six the world woke up to the off to math i think in the u.k. being premiered in manchester it will indeed it was but. we won it why has it become such an important record so many years later just because it was sent
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. on things i think because it was jodi could actually think so lots of things that all came for governor point and song possibly but a song and it's from a cold reporting still reverberates around the world that i did this many decades later. but it's me must hit on something right ok the production on our album as compared to your new album so so different why does the new album good to go sound. a bit bowie nine hundred seventy three. sounds a bit boring on to something free but as a woman. this part is from our album are they going to text well. i sort of. powers everything with the case that it's all over but if you get a guitarist to imitate that i did it oh you did that but i don't let it leak like it's like yeah but i was slick plays overlayed but a part is it's weirdly but i don't play the simple bit of qana come on lads this
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kind of thing but i mean. punk presumably was a reaction not only politically against that kind of glam rock you know it was able to read a star no it wasn't it was a it was it might be a reaction against some of the more of a blog. post the program con about and say i did not travel can that well probably hopefully no one remembers actually does some of it on reflection be blitzing is quite good you know so i climb rock stuff this part of. a. new little girl's underground get the sound on this album is more room and it's sort of some elements of pro group you know it's been my not get out of it no actually in general i think it's coming to a bit of a little bit about the heart of my life and i find this punk music and it's a different thing out the naacp and my been outlawed is because i've been doing most of the to stitch others around the world that's what the. comic can buy and to
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give them on a beach over the bar and so the songs could breathe a little bit more non-small might surrender and find some five months to do drum and album. if they'd be out for their own any day than it's common to lend it a bit more of a swing it's more of a symbolic on the sound of my on a skiffle and i leave rockabilly and stuff always i've done he suggested and i was like in on tonight a new and modern and before the full kind of kind of govern record album come out hopefully it's hope for more than the sum of the parts of the people involved but you have been playing these songs of the t.c. you need. for a new deal for work is how did they get out of the dump. well and thank you very much you come from a trade union but i did my dad was in the front row in general workers in. always remember when i was a lad and white sixtieth you come on for me and. it was a bit annoyed us and he said hold
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a book for both of the events of me shop steward. i will get out much i'm going to vote early but not going to trouble in about a month like i was redundant in my life before the shop steward so that kind of struck a bit of a cold with me of people trying to stand up for their rights even though the eye is a way somebody is trying to pull the rug from underneath. him to be good father. maybe not jewish but i mean do you trust your week. because you also when you were at school been labeled lud yeah far more than other tours. because at that particular quotes and way play the mainstream media was saying there's a publisher to give in to it which is quite rare for. activist gatherings and they said it was a complete failure are sometimes rubbish nothing else but i want to cite i think from my count as the new revenue god any people that understood it in terms of paper tickets and i think by them sign that paper actually went out and bought more
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tickets for the first time they'd ever done anything like that and i thought it was comical are cool thing to be involved in so there's a lot of right wing person this country and they particularly because obviously lots of the blairites went is it because nobody's elysium because he's. not in their interest. i feel comfortable with his musician and the press and farve around the vested interest to come across a. company come acquire power more than if you were there and well i did but obviously when it comes to vested interests the korean war which killed maybe a fifth of the entire country britain both in korea and maybe twenty percent of the temple relation. no one can say that you were playing for any vested interests you played at the demilitarized yeah i'm among a bunch of overpaid was all business going to govern our very best musician to transfer some solidarity and so on and his cousins are evidence icon island and i
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think the whole thing had become a bit of course they're not gonna know for himself you know this because his boss think he found himself painted into a corner not really understand the mind i think anything that can be done to open a door or a chain you know k'naan about how it was this before would signal be used. before everything happened with the media as you've sold yeah and there's a whole bunch of paper involved. just trying to bring some awareness to what i want to find out for myself i've never been sick or before and consequently so i didn't know the. merest soul who's hoping to become the next president they come up on the try interns to visit them to zed's on the d.m.z. zone a neighbor's sign how they met him at the station and how he hoped that in a couple of years time if everything goes all right it will become international
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star from what i was going to work out and some of the light needs to go to work i must go on on the boat and maybe one die it will even come to her so long to come because i can't manage their fences with north korea in the pota stopped running gun. but then even i. thank you before we go late is going to pass out with a song from his new album good to go will be back on monday to go on the ground in afghanistan where to raise amaze just sent four hundred forty troops to support nato's longest war till then keep in touch by subtle media will see on monday fifty seven years to the day of the founding of the sandinista movement in nicaragua which would defeat cia backed contra death squads in the one nine hundred eighty s. paid for by u.s. taxpayers he has been matlock with his new song who can you. gold.
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a way that they. tell you. come. back even. though you want to. come don't. matter what they. don't matter like. a game a. game to say. i'm going to go to. going to go to santa no.
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seeing him a long way in no way shape this is the same way. no matter what to say. no matter what. they may have a joey. told. selling so cold in a. cold cold. cold. cold and shut case.
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the you doing evil economic war is unfolding in the realm of education the right to education is being supplanted by the right to access education loans higher education is becoming just another product that can be born and sold under snot just about education anymore it's also about running a business and what you're good at the moment. what is the place of students in this business model for college now and i'm
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extremely high education the new global economic war. financial but i don't buy a i pod on a futures. friday that's the last time i buy it from the future. watch guys. i'm good to see.
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you. a year after islamic state is driven out of mosul be a rocky city remains in ruins we hear from a local resident about life after liberation. down there and there are four bodies in that house behind us is still inside the stench coming from them this very strong totally getting sick because of this a shaky cease fire is restored between hamas militants and israel after a violent clashes on the gal's a border using fears of a full blown conflict in the region. one student at a university in the interim moves a famous poem by british writer rude yard kipling from a campus wall claiming he was a racist who stood against the right yeah.

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