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the headlines here on r.t.a. a year after islamic state is driven out of mosul the iraqi city still lies in ruins unable to recover from the devastation of the u.s. backed liberation operators. are two bodies still down there and there are food needs bodies in that house behind us is still inside the stench coming from them is very strong in the getting sick because of this. shaky cease fire is restored between hamas and israel after violence on the gaza border raises fears of a full blown conflict. and students at manchester university in england paint over a mural of a famous poem by a british writer rudyard kipling saying he was a racist who dehumanised people of color. is a man of his time. and you've got to accept that that was his time it should be
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acknowledged and it should be they're open for discussion but definitely each of these senses. you can find the full stories over on our website i'll be back with headlines again in about an hour's time in the meantime here on our team international it is going underground and if you're watching in the u.k. or ireland it's predicts that with us. time after time here we're going underground twenty four hours before u.s. secretary of state and former cia boss mike bump aoe delivers his speech on supporting it reining in voices despite recently opposing britain and threatening to crush iran with sanctions coming up in the show amidst the worst violence in northern ireland for years we talk to the possible irish presidential candidate whose father a human rights lawyer passed the new can we. killed in front of him by paramilitaries
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linked to the party that made to raise i'm a u.k. prime minister and forty two years since the sex pistols probably had an icky in the u.k. we speak to original pistol glen matlock about the trade union roots that inspired his music and playing for peace in the korean demilitarized zone well as we investigate what happened moments before the resignation speech of juries amaze foreign secretary boris johnson all of the more coming up in today's going underground but first yesterday marked twenty one years since the beginning of the end of an armed struggle that dominated u.k. civic life for decades within the last few minutes the ira have declared there will be an unequivocal restoration of the cease fire they called in one thousand nine hundred four it will start at noon tomorrow though irish republicanism as a long history of peaceful protest the ceasefire in the armed struggle would mark the end of ira bombing to reunite the island of ireland the armed campaign had been financed internationally including from the united states from pages even pounced
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on this blurry picture of doll trump attending a fundraiser for the political wing of the i ration frayne two years before the ceasefire then emerged with the trump shook the hand of gerry adams he never gave him any money today though the good friday agreement which created a new parliament in belfast faces extreme strain regardless of u.k. prime minister to raise a maze first visit to the north in the past twenty four hours there is the possibility of a post break that border between the republican the six counties worst of all for now is the fact that else does parliament stormont has long been shut down its representatives this month found guilty by a judge's of desert ng their responsibility is in fact in fame representative say their abstention ism is the failure to address so-called legacy issues and there have been plenty of legacy issues in evidence on the streets of derry this month a night of tension and disorder. police warned that loyalist paramilitaries were
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planning to orchestrate and participate in serious disorder in east belfast in the following hours hundreds of emergency calls came in until around one o'clock this morning men use burning cars to block roads in dundonald on the outskirts of belfast while a few miles from there a bus with passengers on board was hijacked and torched yes violence is back on both sides and our next guest knows all about the pain and misery of that violence his father pat finucane a human rights lawyer who represented ira hunger striker and member of parliament bobby sands before he was assassinated by paramilitaries linked to the party that made to raise him a u.k. prime minister his son solicitor and potential shin vain candidate for irish president john new can joins me now joe welcome to going underground before we get to the supreme court decision that we're all waiting for tell me about your father pat human rights lawyer tell you that i mean right at the beginning your family was
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forced out of there or home when the trouble started before you aboard my father was a working class catholic from west belfast the falls road he grew up with six brothers and one sister very busy working class family and he was the first certainly the family possibly the st the area to go to university he qualify as a solicitor pay married my mother. middle class protestant and his career really exploded as the trouble to explode and he was a solicitor who ultimately was was very successful and talented and i think what he saw needed to be telling is that i am and i think the ironic thing is that he probably post more of a threat to the pretty steep by doing what he did. anybody else who perhaps picked up picked up a weapon and it was his success and challenging them and holding them to a kind that we. you know ultimately brought him to their attention marc to mike for
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assassination and then mom was wounded and their father shot dead by militants in front in front of you. and those militants are linked to the. currently keeping dres man about the we haven't sold the donor the twelth fabry nine hundred eighty nine and the front door was slammed hubbard and my father good up because he heard the noise and he was shot fourteen times and front of us all and my mother was shot once so obviously it was that was as horrific as i'm sure your viewers could imagine but from really from the outset we asking questions because up to that point my father had been threatened and directly by the police through his clients so for example people who were arrested and brought to interrogation centers were being told you may get yourself a new solicitor finnigan isn't going to be around for long he's nothing but a thug and a suit we are going to take it without
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a couple of weeks before he was murdered there was a minister in the house of commons douglas hawg who stood up and made a comment that there are a number of solicitors in northern ireland who are in julie sympathetic to the ira . very much we believe gave the green light for the assassins to then enter our house and killed my father so we can questions in the more questions that we asked from initial speeds the more questions that they had rudolph and once human rights organizations are supporters once people started looking into this they realized that it was a very very dirty case and obviously ultimately not the army the police. other state agencies were involved this was something. really more than the killing of one but it was something that was it was a system that was in police that affected many many people for the stevens inquiry is and did they establish. your father was an innocent human rights
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lawyer and he was killed by british state collusion we have always campian for a public inquiry but we have a series of investigations and reviews and the subtlety of the word is important because i'm inquiry is something that is public my family would have a right to be involved to questions to look at documents to you know really be part of a process a police investigation doesn't allow us to do that the stevens investigation is important we would say that it was a stepping stone to what should be a full inquiry we had no involvement in a police investigation the way that a family wouldn't and any police investigation. looked at over a million documents he concluded that there was collusion that agency of the state that were involved in a plethora of crimes up to and including murder we never had any and so we were campian and with tony blair and we met with tony blair i think on the least two
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occasions and we were saying that what his government and i needed to do was to have the open inquiry. and also to. to heal the division that the coalition has brought and still brings to that it needs to be dealt with properly my mother has always used the example that it is a very deep wound in our society and how you treat a deep wound is not by putting the plaster over the top of it because if you do that up it will ultimately fail or get infected burst and you need to get deep india willing to treat it properly and that is what we are asking the british government to do in our case and the international context here is by twenty five twenty six. everyone knows the u.k. government was involved in the murder of your father and the us house of representatives resolution calling on the british government for a public inquiry presumably that gave you a degree of hope for justice. we had
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a cross party resolution and that all. that was but that was back by then take stock so all the parties in the south of ireland called for our call for an independent that was replicated in america and both houses of the house of representatives in the senate as well which at the time i think was saying by obama clinton i think it was unanimous in the senate we have really received presidential support through different presidents and human rights organization that has ever focused itself on art and has called for an inquiry the united nations other important individuals who have looked at this have all looked at our kids and come to the conclusion that there needs to be an inquiry to deal with this. the obstacle to the up is very much the british government not only have they denied to our family to justice but they have been a very clear obstacle in preventing truth coming now as i said the president minority government lead it to raise a may because of
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a policy linked to paramilitary forces environment the trees there were accused of the murder of you you get an apology from david cameron winter is amazin government here in downing street and then what does he say to you well he again it was the coalition government between the tories and the dams there had been a degree of a status quo with regard to our inquiry they commit departed said well we very much want to be with us and we engage with them and we spoke with them they were as to what it would take for this to be a credible process to have a calmer inviting the garden state with the promise that we would be very happy with what we heard. instead of an inquiry want to see tourism is we'll know we did meet with trees in may we met we met with david cameron underwood pottersville who was the day and the secretary of state for the north what they have a common. meeting very well he said that he was a young man this wasn't on his. he wanted to get to the truth of the matter all
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very encouraging but he then went on to say that the way to do that up would be a barrister review and papers your viewers don't need to be lawyers to realise that you don't come to the truth by reading documents you know evidence needs to be challenge that needs to be transparent you need to compel witnesses to give evidence. of challenge in a fairly robust way especially when we're talking about state collusion that led to the murder of my father one of the citizens an officer of the court so we were very dismayed to be a very. i think my mum effectively forced him out of his own room and died in straight sets it was before the meeting came to an abrupt end that we were in a room beside the cabinet office looking over the various great buildings of whitehall and when we were challenging him on the fact that this process wouldn't be kickable of getting to the truth and be in it and inspiring our confidence he
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seemed to get frustrated and he gestured excuse me he gestured to the window in the buildings around and said look there's people around here who would even want me to do this they just won't let me give an inquiry and for me that was that was very telling it was foundations of. it yeah it's very much the tail wagging the dog and when the prime minister is certainly given the impression that he's not the one who ultimately calls the shots that i think is very disturbing when you're dealing with an issue where intelligency and seas were directing colors to killed those who the . desirables but the important part i think for me is that whilst once we weren't happy with the process that he was that he was putting forward he apologized for cohesion he accepted that there was collusion and he did privately and then very much public details of the warning was issued up and part of the set up and i always find i always find it streams that there is an. at the outset of
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a process for me an apology should come if it's warranted at the end of a process the way that he did with a degree of of style and dignity at the end of the block when the bloody sunday inquiry all to be reported and he dealt with in the way that it should have been dealt with but for us we were effectively told there is cohesion it is horrific and the government towards it is worse than anything that has come out of iraq and afghanistan as far as their own personnel are concerned we are very sorry for that but we're not going to tell you exactly what went on and i think that's a bizarre way to approach things albeit that though this. was prosecuted so it doesn't exist still said that while m i five the police me they're all involved in the killing of the there was no overarching state conspiracy and presumably the supreme global say there's no overarching state conspiracy oh well the supreme court has a different question before and i don't think it's being invited to make that
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conclusion i would haue of with regards to silva's conclusion i would i would respectfully tell him stop i don't see how. the police the army the intelligence service can do what they did all murder when the people that we knew were involved were subsequently promoted decorated effectively congratulated by the state for the job well done this is not something that you can do with the resources. be in crude there are dead bodies on the street and they are piling up over a series of years from the eighty's in the ninety's ministers with any sort of weapon responsibility should be setting up and asking questions on less they are very much aware that the system is doing exactly what the system was designed to do which is direct killers proxy killers on behalf of the british government to kill people who the intelligence services do not want to bite anymore and we have seen that collusion is blind at the fact that my. it's affected it's affected conflicts
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i have no doubt that there were personnel within the who were it's of the who were directed to kill of behalf of the british government could include pretty soldiers that could include policemen as long as the intelligence was more worthy than the life that it was a very simple decision that was me and so i would struggle to find it doesn't work its way up and department into the political sphere we already have douglas hall copy me it has statement and one of the reviews previous. by former canadian supreme court jurist peter corry he saw papers that were marked for that attention. which i think needs to be challenge which needs to be robustly in a public forum as doubt this went all the way to the very top. thank you after the break think a songwriter and original. plays us out with a track from his new album good to go. again jeremy cool been by implying.
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that the. british go on holiday. coming up. after the war. was still active branch in the nineteen seventies as the chair of a man convicted of mass murder and slavery as a german company developed. a drug that was promoted as completely even during pregnancy. terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. he's just. victims received compensation they never apologized for the suffering that. not only want the money i want the revenge.
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welcome back british politics is in virtual meltdown as brecht said threatens the premiership of minority u.k. government needed to raise a may two of some of her latest resigned ministers spoke up at prime minister's questions before the foreign secretary gave his resignation speech first was may's former brecht and secretary david davis he asked about making public work carried out in his department on alleged the e.u. trade deal double standards as the prime minister's aware the department for its to the european union carried out a study of all of the previous free trade deals the european union done in order to create a free trade deal draft free trade deal which was based soley on european precedents
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the department was until i left at least was carrying out a legal text of creating a legal text of such a draft treaty as a as one fallback option in the event of the current negotiation which she agreed to publish that text when it's complete tourism a would commit to no to undertaking to make it public then another m.b. was resigned from her administration in the past few days when asked about contingency plans to threaten the e.u. with a no deal breaks it. right on the bill friends please give instructions that every communication related to no deal serves to poster on negotiating position by reinforcing the credibility of the feasibility of those contingency plans yes said the pm the european union need to be in no doubt that we are making those preparations and ensuring that should that be the outcome that we on the path resignations threats of no confidence threats against the e.u. . he has jeremy corbin who is arguably been welcoming blairite resignations on his
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own benches you know leads in opinion polls to replace theresa may with a majority labor government after two years negotiating with themselves they then wanted to shut down parliament five days. they've even given up on negotiating with each other it isn't the case that the government is failing to negotiate breaks it . finding to meet the needs of the country because they are too busy or too busy fighting each other to raise it may replied by implying that corbin was an anti semite. when i was to go to see and see a future security relationship with europe he was renegotiating the definition of ninety seven but attempts to tell the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement with anti semitism opinion ought to be succeeding even mainstream media appears to suggest that the conservatives lack of governance suggest
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a kind of an icky in the u.k. well one man who's arguably well placed to judge is our next guest that math blog is no original member of the sex pistols and his new solo album good to go is out next month he joins me now glenn welcome back to going underground so on this day nine hundred seventy six the world woke up to. the off to math i think in the u.k. being premiered in manchester it was a deed it was but. it wasn't why has it become such an important record so many years later just because it was. i think i think because it was jodi could actually think that lots of things that all came for governor point and so on possibly but not song and that's from the cold reporting still reverberates around the world that i did this many decades later. but we must hit on something right ok the production on our album as compared to your new album so so different why does the
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new album good to go sound. a bit buoy nine hundred seventy three zero i'm going to sound a bit tired not just of the three but as an element of. the spiders from mars of them are they going to take the lion liberated by the sort of. powers everything with the case that it's all over the way to get a guitarist to imitate that i did oh you did that but i do know that even if i do you have a house like plays overlaid by a plays it's weirdly because i don't play the simple bit in qana come on lads it goes well this kind of thing but i mean. punk presumably was a reaction not only politically against that kind of glam rock you know it was able to resist oh no it wasn't it was it was it might be a reaction against some of the more of a blog. post a program khana by and say i have not traveled and that went from hopefully no one remembers actually does some of it on reflection be blitzing is quite good you know
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so to climb rock stuff this part of. by the way he wrote the music i've. got a little girls on the ground give it the sound on this album is more room and it's sort of some elements of pro group you know it's been my not get out of acknowledgement that also you're coming to a bit of a little bit about the heart of my life and i find this punk music and it's a different thing out the naacp and on our blog is because i've been doing most of the two stitch i was running over to. a comic can opener by and to give them on a. over the bar and so the songs could breathe a little bit more non-small might surrender and find some reply most of the drum and album. if they be out for their own any day than it's common to lend it a bit more of a swing it's more of a symbolic on the sound of much on a skiffle an oddly rockabilly and stuff always i've done he suggested and i was like in on tonight a new and modern and before still kind of time to govern for album come out.
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hopefully it's hoped for more than the sum of the parts of the paper involved but you have been playing the souls of the t.c. you need for a new deal for work is that if they get out of madame pretty well and thank you very much you come from a trade union but i did my diet was in front going general workers in and always remember when i was a lad and late sixty's you come on for me and. it was a bit annoyed us and he said hold a plug for both of the advance of me shops to honestly i would like it much from one of our thirty but not going to trouble in about a month like i was redundant in my life before the shop steward of that kind of struck a bit with a cold with many of the people trying to stand up for their rights even though the eye is away somebody is trying to pull the rug from underneath a little. injury good father i know maybe not jewish but i
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mean do you trust your week. because you also when you were at school been labeled lud yeah far more than other tours. because at that particular concert and way play the mainstream media was saying there's a publicist to give into it because quite rare for an activist gatherings and they said it was a complete failure are sometimes rubbish nothing else but i want to say i lived on my couch as the note of god any people that understood it in terms of paper tickets and i think by them sign that paper actually went out and bought more tickets for the first time they'd ever done anything like that and i thought it was kind of quite a cool thing to be involved in so there's a lot of right wing person this country and they particularly because obviously lots of the blairites went is it because nobody's alysia because he's. not in their interest. i felt comfortable with his musician and press and travel around the vested interests to come across a. common come acquire power more than if you were going well i get
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a lot of people when it comes to visit interests the korean war which killed maybe a fifth of the entire country britain career and maybe twenty percent of the temple relation. no one can say that you were playing for any vested interests you played at the demilitarized yeah i'm amongst a bunch of of a. gun our very best musician to transfer some solidarity and so on his cousins are going to come out and and i think the whole thing had become a bit of a cork thing the guy in the north of himself you know despicable with his boss thing he found himself painted into a corner not really understand the mind i think anything that can be done to rope in the toe of a chain you know k'naan about how it was this before would signal be used as a thing the so before everything happened with the media as you've sold instantly.
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and there was a whole bunch of paper involved. just trying to bring some awareness to it i want to find out for myself i've never been to korea before and consequently so i didn't know the. merest soul who's hoping to become the next president may come up on the try interns to visit them to zed's on the d.m.z. zone and they both signed how they met him at the station and how he hopes in a couple of years time if everything goes all right it will become international stars from what i was going to work out and some of the light needs to go to work i must go on on the boat and maybe one die it will even come for so long to come because i can't imagine that there from this is with north korea and the border stopped. but the need now to thank you before we go again is going to pass out with a song from his new album good to go will be back on monday to go on the ground in afghanistan where to raise a maze just sent four hundred forty troops to support nato's longest war till then
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keep in touch via social media we'll see you on monday fifty seven years to the day of the founding of the sandinista movement in nicaragua which would defeat cia backed contra death squads in the one nine hundred eighty s. paid for by u.s. taxpayers he has got matlock with his new song who can you. bowl. a way that they. tell you. coming. back even if. you want to.
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