or cia officer and whistle blower john kiriakou whose patriotism and moral character forced him to sacrifice his livelihood and freedom in order to blow the whistle on the heinous acts of torture committed by the bush administration during the war on terror these three individuals are the voices who embody the very definition of watching the hawks. from the bottom. like you know that i got. the dirty little secret in all of this wonderful economy and it is really good you

have to admit i mean in the stock market you've got people's retirements you've got four a one k.'s you've got the education fund for young kids i mean families are building in the stock market if they're in it now here's the bad news with the tax cut health care costs are going up and the president the only thing he talked about in the state of the union was the mandate what's the rest of the story because interest insurance rates are going to go up dramatically in two thousand and eighteen and now the republicans own it they've done one move on health care and it hasn't been a good one so are they going to let this sit by the roadside as road kill or are they going to pick up the mantle and do something about it and so this advantage of the tax cut that these middle class families are going to get that they're talking about that's going to get wiped out by the increases in health care coverage if they decide to buy it and buy get into the market on it so that's what he didn't talk about the next phase of health care and what they're going to do for all these people that he said he was going to. die in the street on the campaign trail and

there were some other things left out but i thought that that was the most glaring greig's of it i think that for the health care we all can say. well way you know. what the one thing that that i noticed is this idea of manufacturing jobs and bringing them back and my home state of wisconsin is one of those that's been trying to get more manufacturing of some kind back into the state so the big part of core part of economic message was that he's bringing all of these jobs back and revitalizing at but more and more what we're seeing are headlines pointing out that this manufacturing companies are actually looking ahead to automating their factory floors and that has to leave myself wondering for the people of wisconsin and for other states that see these. are the art of out of work americans really getting a sweet of a deal as trump is sounding them both centers exactly the president talked about vocational training he talked about bricklayers which i found very interesting he

wants to build a lot of stuff ok i got it and those are good paying jobs because those trades are hard to find right now go try to hire a plumber for your own i mean these are now very valuable jobs much more than what they used to be because people have gotten away from the trades. as far as the manufacturing is concerned steel aluminum rubber glass electronics you know there's going to be a certain level of automation that's going to seep into that but people still have to run them people still have to be highly trained i was just amazed at some of the things that i've heard in the steel industry about how the the how they have to make sure that they mix the steel properly per ton and what they're producing in the quality of it which is far better than what the chinese are putting out right now so america does have a great story to tell and those jobs are still going to be there. they're not as

plentiful but they're still going to be there and most of the reduction in the industries that i've talked about has been because china and south korea they have done state sponsored type of formula of an economy to compete against the free market in the united states and the w t o formula for going after those trade agreements has been too slow and that was one of the things is that what china did the reason they got like the iphone was that they had spent years educating people in those trades or getting people to that point and the concern i think a lot of people have is will these days when you have companies like foxconn that are coming in are they going to get the best deal are states giving away too much in tax incentives just to get them here but then ultimately won't they have to because you said a lack of skills what they end up having to hire a lot of out of state people to cover those jobs are out of country you know you never go wrong by investing in education and i think that education in this country

is going to see. a tremendous revolution over the next twenty years there's going to be more home schooling that's going to be going on there's going to be more internet technology there's not going to be the big school centers we can't said kids in school anymore because they get shot every day i mean this is there is a game i don't want to send their kids to school but you know i really think there is going to be a real revolution in the way we teach our kids in this country but investing in education is something i don't think the country can ever get away from we're not saving in america nobody can those who can't can't and those who should be saving for the future aren't you know it's one of those things that kind of drops in both ways do you think that the democrats will ever sort of get off this it is really obstructionists at this point they're not you know they were doing half of it to make waves doing positive things on one side and the other side was obstructing it makes sense but it seems they've just given up which are narrative to the country that's what i want. yes the democrats what's your narrative to the country and i

think chuck schumer in new york and palosi in california ok the democrats are going to win those two states what are going to do with the other forty eight this is a big chunk of the middle of the country you know when the democrats were strong with dick gephardt was from missouri when tom daschle was from south dakota ok when they had leadership from the middle of the country now the republicans who they have on their leadership team the food from south dakota right ok they connect with the middle of the country that's the way the map is it's going to be hard to break into that you better start talking to these folks about jobs you better have the democrats better start talking to them about their future instead of keep pounding on these red herrings about well the best thing we can do is hope for russia investigation so we can impeach trump that's not a plan for america in a recent rolling stone article you laid the blame of this this you know the brink of world war three not on donald trump or the war hawks like john bolton but really

essentially on all of us why it why did they are many purposely blind or just naive to the dangers and reality of what actual world war is. it's odd i don't know it's some of it must be a generational thing i mean obviously my generation grew up with the day after and ninety nine love loons you know the whole idea of in the know whether it's fake extra real legs we all grew up with this idea of you know nuclear war could end and humanity at any second and i think in the sort of posts. you know end of history of. nine eleven era most people in the next generation grew up without a real fear of nuclear war so it's really not in everybody's minds but it should be on the minds of people who are old enough to be u.s. senate. to be members of congress and again idly enough the one thing about donald

trump as a candidate that was not entirely negative and terrifying was the fact that he was he had a relatively ambivalent idea about interventionism in a war i mean he would have been perfectly fine with withdrawing from syria and it was planning on doing so as recently as two weeks ago and yet he was encouraged in exactly the opposite direction by members of both parties which again makes absolutely no sense to me on any level it really doesn't it just blows my mind seeing like these people who tell us that we have to be so afraid of this man that he's going to do you know run us off the edge of the cliff and that he's evil incarnate but yet i don't know it's ok when he bombs people you know. one of the interesting things to. me is our good buddy james komi recently you covered him. you talked about wrote about his his new book a former f.b.i. director james going to book

a higher loyalty truth lies and leadership so let me ask you matt just where does james komi as higher loyalties lie i'm afraid i didn't read the book and i don't know if i'm going to read it over the summer right i'm on the fence well i'm going to have to get me not not not to be crude about it but i'm going to guess it's first loyalty is probably to the two million dollar advance that he got for the book. but that's probably not fair but honestly it's a very strange book. it. is not a book that feels. open and it feels like it is its intent was to disclose a lot about either the sort of pre-election controversies that he was involved with or the trump white house in his interactions with it he mostly stuck to information that had already been disclosed that was already out there in the press with a few minor and glaring exceptions in the book felt very calculated. not respect

that he only wanted to have a few big talking points and everything else was going to sort of remain secret very very strange he sort of offhandedly mentions that the f.b.i. received classified material suggesting that there was an improper relationship between. attorney general level loretta lynch and the clinton campaign during during the campaign which seemed like a big bombshell revelation that is sort of skins over but it's very oddly written the whole the whole book is very strange yeah it was almost as strange as donna brazile bug and i wonder have comey is going to end up the same place that donna brazil sort of ended up which is does anyone know where donna brazil is now i think is where coming is probably going to end up which leads me to all these people sort of writing books and everybody gets a big you know million dollar advances but your sort of doing something now a little bit different direction on april twenty fourth you began publishing on what's called sub stack dot com a new serialized novel titled the business secrets

of drug dealing adventures of the identified blackmail tell us a little about the book and why you chose to publish it on sub's dot in this way. so some time ago i ran into someone who known for a long time who sort of came out in the. he had a double life. and had been a high level drug dealer in his past and he wanted to sort of tell the story of what it's like to live on the other side of the law and it was a fascinating story in my anonymous co-author who is still anonymous has a really distinct and interesting voice. and we sort of came up with a fictionalized version of a lot of the adventures that i did experienced. and it's a fascinating story about sort of the inanity of our. drug laws the racism that he

went through and the extraordinary measures that we would that we our government goes to to keep people from trading in a drug that is now illegal in a lot of states so it was a it's a really fun bizarre interesting suspenseful story that i couldn't figure out how to tell except this fiction which is sort of a new thing for me as we're going to break our quadrant don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics we've covered our facebook and twitter and see our poll shows that our teeth dot com coming up we intercept the intercept handling of whistleblowers with former cia analyst john kiriakou and then journalist max woman ball dissects the journalism of cnn's jake tapper so you better stay tuned to watching the hawks.

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a lot of toxic garbage that is ending up is a guaranteed bill because at the end of the day a lot of these pension accounts not be cut back people who think that they had a pension are being told there's been running out you're out of touch any more you're now flat broke you have to go out to the street and beg for money go get addicted to heroin we don't want you anymore drop dead. kentucky. we've all the employees you go three families or you know you're. a comin he said she was no coal mines left. the job to go all the ones that said. that it was love to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened

to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's how it's happened. and now here is former cia analyst and torture was a lower john kerry and our own tyrell banter and discussing the intercepts recent failures to properly protect not one but two whistleblowers from government persecution after leaking information to the famed news organization and. i think that the intercept probably means well i do but they go about it in a very amateurish and ham handed way they encourage people on their website to send them classified documents they have in christian keyes posted so you couldn't you can. encrypt your data and send it to them the problem is once they receive that

data they handle it in a way that is really irresponsible for example what they do is in the case of of all barry the f.b.i. agent in minneapolis they took the documents that he allegedly sent and then wrote a freedom of information act request asking for exactly those same documents and actually and actually listing the titles of those documents so all the f.b.i. had to do was to go through its databases to see who had printed all of those documents they identified him and maybe two other people then they went back to their own internal surveillance video and they saw him taking a photograph of his computer screen and they got him and he immediately confessed and apparently has already taken a deal let me say something before i move on to the next example say something about his case the information that he is alleged to have given to the intercept

just a few years ago was not classified or interest rate this was unclassified information that just recently the f.b.i. has decided to retroactively classify so i would say that had he been willing to fight this thing he may have had a case where about it that's interesting that no one what qualities are barkers whether it be you know something like that or an individual reporter what markers should a whistleblower look for in a journalist or organization the ok i know i can trust these people i know. dot their i's and cross their t.'s and i know i'm i'm i'm safe first with what they look for. the technology has gotten so good that the government has weapons that they didn't have even two years ago and so really the only safe way to do it is to send it to wiki leaks now if you if you want to give it to a specific journalist here. the united states you're taking a risk in

a couple of different ways we know for example that reality when or when she allegedly sent a document to the intercept what the intercept did was they made a copy of the document send it back to n.s.a. and said is this a real n.s.a. document not realizing that when you print a document and you're an intelligence community employee there's identifying information embedded in the document it may be in the dot of an eye or in a period but it's got your name and your employee number well if you're a national security journalist or you profess to be a national security journalist you want to know those things so reality winner was arrested only two hours after the intercept had published the story based on her documents so it's just not safe anymore and you either have to use no documents at all and the journalist frankly is going to have to take your word for it or you go

to wiki leaks well you know it's interesting when you look at the culture in d.c. because i've always seen it's feels like there's an unspoken numbers or understanding in government that there are good leaders and bad leaders sure you know and you know well first you explain the difference between them because you and i get to see it in a lot of people might not understand that but it's like when i see newspapers and stories all the time anonymous source told me or this person told me no one ever seems to get prosecuted for that and you know that is rushing a certain agenda but reality women or other people like yourself suddenly all are going to go full bore at this but what's the difference between a good leader and a bad leader in d.c. there are there's one kind of good leaker and two kinds of bad leakers and the good leaker is a whistle blower and there's actually a legal definition of whistle blowing it's bringing to light any evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality or threats to the public health or public safety the american people only that information even if it's classified. american people own

it and if it reveals a crime or waste fraud and abuse then the american people have a right to see it that's a whistleblower now there are two other kinds of leakers there's the official leaker that's the anonymous source that we're always seeing in the washington post in the new york times and elsewhere oftentimes that is what's euphemistically called an official leak and what what the white house will do or the pentagon they're really the two most prolific leakers is the leaks some information that sensitive just to see how the public reacts and if there's no reaction or a positive reaction they'll attack that policy if there's a negative reaction then they'll withdraw the policy that's sort of how they gauge public opinion now the other badly is when somebody leaks just for their own benefit or because it's exciting to them or they like to see the excitement of the new story and know that they were the source or they like to impress a journalist which happens more often than you might suspect and finally it's

a very let us bring you an added bonus to this up a sold author journalist and documentary filmmaker max blumenthal discussing the corporate access journalism trainwreck that is. tapper i watched a lot more tapper than any human being should be subjected i'm sorry about that but i mean it's like if it had been inside the chamber and bob graham it would have been appropriate but you know i why i've been watching tapper ever since the trump era began and he's really ramped up kind of a narrative of regime change but this actually started maybe towards the end of the obama era and i just noticed that even rarely misses a show without promoting regime change against one of the non-compliant nations you know venezuela iran north korea there's the russian interference narrative and syria is a special place for jake tapper's really cheer lead for war and i wrote about history. shady sources which have not been scrutinized by c.n.n.

editors. but you know i also went back into jake tapper's past you know this is someone who has crafted for himself an image as the consummate centrist in the beltway and it's almost like he's planned his path to the top of cable news he used to write at salon dot com which is sort of a progressive magazine one of the first online publications that had a progressive brand i also wrote for them and so i worked with david talbot who was the founder of salon and i went back to david talbot and said what do you think of what jake tapper is doing and he said you know it's absolutely abominable but it's it's exactly what i expected not only was he a centrist he was a john mccain groupie and so i looked at some of the things mccain tapper was saying back in two thousand when mccain was running for president he compared himself a verbally to mccain's hostage he said i'm patty hearst and you know there's no way that you won't come under mccain's spell in fact he likes to call me tanya this was when he was a white house correspondent who was covering mccain and he's continued to be

mccain's groupie to the president if we remember last week john mccain went on jake tapper and said you know north korea needs to be extinguished it needs to be we need to see the extinction of that regime and jake tapper just not it along and then he said you know how's your family doing house cindy house. you know. you know if. it's thrown out there there's that kind of you know allusions to bethen destruction just kind of thrown out there on the show and other shows on c.n.n. and other moves and it's kind of like oh cool how are you doing you know is everything ok you're right and there's something about it being with jake tapper especially. i remember the first time i ever experienced his work was when he wrote an article years and years and years ago about going on a date with monica lewinsky. and i was at it you know pretty horrified and as a as a young woman under the age of eighteen that this was like. it was horrifying to me

that someone would do that and it calls back when i was unemployed for a while in fact watch c.n.n. all day and i now and looked at jake tapper as being this like well yes he's fighting for the middle ok that's what kind of people thought and that's that's what i ask because that praise is that jake tapper is easy even handed he is neutral he's all of that but one of the things you talk about and one of the things that's really important to look at is how that even handedness that guy is that neutrality is actually pretty morally dishonest can you kind of walk us through that idea yeah i mean first of all we could do goes on a date with one woman and then writes a whole article about it so like that's bizarre like you just ok that's just weird i don't even know what else to say. to the article really tell her that yeah you know but well i mean the reason he writes it after lewinsky becomes this at the center of a scandal right perfect for his you know social climbing in washington and so is his centrism and he'll go wherever the center is and as we know the center is

constantly moving to the right especially on foreign policy so toppers affected this image is trump's greatest untag and it's in mainstream media is his ratings have gone up something like fifty eight percent since trump has been elected and then he tries to convey an image of objectivity but as we know in washington objectivity is just a guy's for deep seated establishment terry and conservatism which jake tapper often takes out on the left on particularly in social media and he chooses his targets carefully he likes to show that he's attacking the left and the far right equally meanwhile his guests consist pretty much of neo con marionettes whether it's adam kinzinger from illinois who just never met a war he did like except maybe with north korea because they have to turn a capacity john mccain adam schiff who's kind of the adam kinzinger of the democratic party and loves bombing countries and jake tapper has personally for a military strike on syria which would have been. you know we turned

a country in the heart of the middle east into libya and afghanistan. and that is our show for you today remember everyone in this world we are not told that we are loved so i tell you all i love you i am tyrrel but for and i'm happy for wallace keep watching those hawks and of a great day and night everybody. right we're all set to start in five guys in the studio has a signal. he's not going to talk about. just maybe right after the mars explorers one who would have their. record. to say well you know.

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how was. the u.s. president postpones a second summit with president putin while the u.s. secretary of state is grilled over donald trump standings with the russian leader. and donald trump and john called younkers strike a deal to avert a trade war between the u.s. and the new. and islamic state claims responsibility for a wave of terror in southern syria which has reportedly claimed the lives of at least two hundred fifteen people. thank you for watching the news had.