then kept an online diary for nine months and then was right into conflict and died now has he been convicted has he been tried what is he guilty of this we are in a fourth generation awards i actually hope your knowledge and i want to know why we don't have a solution over to philip and give him a chance to respond to that show go ahead i'm done just saying that this is somebody who doesn't understand conflict. how do you go in and arrest these people and bring them back in a nice little police car to be put in a cozy cell to then go through a judicial system there in a conflict zone and when there are clear and present danger to the safety of united kingdom because the radicalizing more people online to go out there or they're trying to stir up. attacks in the united kingdom there are threat to this country so the legitimate military targets boris johnson said first and foremost that they justify it was a legitimate military target but whenever you do you attack someone whether it be from a stickler asked whether it's a sniper or whether it or whether it's through

a drone that's coming in there they're always additional consequences that come from it and that is sending a clear message or it's really quite positive stories that killing them where you are how killing them tackles on the i am removing them as a threat stopping stopping them radicalizing other people be it sends a message to other people are out there saying we know where you are we can get you at any time so just what message you're watching you and the only causes that your money controls has been is rather to diminish and then then it shortens the length of the conflict that's or it saves lives going to be normal if you really believe that we are not only enemies. and that is that we are getting enemies on the radical islam care and the grown ups and come to hang out with these lanes or tactics an awful lot which exposes more can come under control. systems other out there and it means many of them and i really. don't want to meet people without evidence philip without evidence you have absolutely no idea about the other sorry

there are others and are in no hurry we're going to get you on the have no idea the evidence and military targeting comes in from the intelligence services that are working i've been there i've put target is there are you going to. get winter leaks or these things happen and there's an awful lot of care that's put into it and i'm sure is holding the letter to me doesn't really know what amount of damage whatsoever and the accuracy of these missions is very very good indeed so you don't know where you can and if it's only three months from atomic you're going to be on points of substance and therefore there is not a coherent argument across. some afraid i'm going to after it's all going to just very briefly because. it's just very briefly there are there are no substantive points because it's the same political system the same counterterrorist system that says there have been no civilian casualties we do not record we do no good if he runs he's b.c. of one of my friends said we do not record we do not count civilian casualties we do not count collateral damage if there is believed to be very rare on the ability

they respond no no no no no no no no no on the first series in parliament it was absolutely clear the m.p.'s came forward said we have no records we have no evidence and the reason is we do not count them if we kill somebody overseas whether it's iraq afghanistan all syria it's up to the surviving family to sue the british or american government to get us to change the code on the right in the person that they are and i didn't really understand you haven't and guess what it doesn't happen we have tens of thousand civilian casualties we don't even tell me to trust the system because the system is broken. shabir what's your opinion on the word little italy in terms of targeting brits who've gone abroad to fight for islamic state is it acceptable to be a drone strike. i just want to sort of move on to a little bit different as you know in the last few days over four hundred white helmets activist in syria has been taken out under escort by israel to

jordan and there is some expectation that they would be given british nationality or their european nationalities these white helmets were working hand in hand with ice and terrorists in syria and if someone if tells me that white elements were doing good work humanitarian work work of the nature to save human beings it's very clear from the evidence over the last six seven years in syria that white helmets have been funded supported. by the british government and by usa so at the end of the day on the one hand we're saying that terrorists should be taken out by drones then and of the sort of firepower but on and at the same time we let go of over four hundred white held miss terrorist who are operating in syria to come back to the u.k. not only. to sort of do it to be d.

radicalized but to be given nationality and to roam freely as some humanitarian workers this size find is whole of a problem with the approach that is being taken about these two individuals and what mr boris johnson has been talking about would be glad to say gentle would be given a bit more time so let's continue our conversation philip to pick up a point you made earlier and it's also touched on something that most said is that it's not always easy to know exactly who is to blame and to what extent the way that individuals who are out in syria have been portrayed by the media sometimes by governments doesn't always paint an accurate picture does not mean the need to be. individual trials for everybody concerned. no not really and actually there is a very accurate picture built up whenever you're putting targeting facts together it's time to minute to minute detail remember the accuracy of the weapons systems that are being used are such that you can choose the window that missile is going to fly through in a building you can take a room on it in

a building and the rooms next door are not going to be touched so you know the accuracy of the intelligence picture that's put together is is phenomenal and within that you're sitting looking at collateral damage and you do content of collateral damage that there is both from the reports that you're getting from your sources that you have that are feeding you the information the first place and your post-attack analysis that you do and you you there are a lot of resources put into doing that so you can make sure that any collateral damage is minimized and you want to know that you've got the primary target that's there that the white helmets their association with. being with isis terrorists i think that is just fundamentally wrong you don't think israel is going to extract a single who are out of isis if not on the military want sensationalism and i know many of them is only going to not have been helping them it's cable if it was fundamentally wrong. not be helping out ok got about the white the white got a. lot of out of bombed out buildings they weren't killing people thirty seconds

left most final word to you. just like i think it seems to. sure thing about phillip and many of the others on the neo conservative right seem to be living in this wee dystopian reality where is it messy where enemy combatants are clearly identifiable in uniforms when they're not where they're not housed in civilian populations where we've seen from iraq and afghanistan. that the the the actually the actually of drone strikes is two percent two percent is actually drugs try to actually of asterix is twenty percent we are down innocent people by their drug use we need a more enlightened approach and no idea that released on our crew or your letterbox and land on your lap is a load of nonsense and you should know better denial ain't just a river ok going to wrap it up there. so i know how it works and i'd like to thank my guests left to right shabbir razvi political analyst former intelligence security officer philip ingram and political social commentator mo and

so many thanks guys. thanks. ok i'm going to a very short break come back with more news in a while. this is harlan kentucky. boy you go three families. a co money city with no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the coal mines are said i'd. love to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's how it's happened.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic developments only mostly going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. fishel is in the syrian province of sway to say more than two hundred people have been killed in isolated suicide blasts it's said to be the worst violence to the area since the country's war began wednesday another group of suicide bombers

attacked the city in the south of the country two was shot dead before they could strike but several of the militants managed to set off their explosives eisel claimed response of. lity arabic correspondent wafa shall bring you reports. thought of the day that hundreds of people were left dead or injured by the bloody islamic state attack in a province last weighed out you know up there in the market this year an army with the help of the residents of this region were able to regain full control of the villages in the northeastern part of the province where i saw terrorists had taken hold. genocide as amen haasan are sitting on the rooftop of their house in the northeastern part of the province through gun sights of their rifles they are watching how do i still terrorist move around this and other villages nearby had been liberated from i saw the atmosphere was tense at local troops and civilians came to protect the place from possible new i saw attacks and they are violent get

over all of them with their upstairs on the eastern side near that house they were on twenty eisel militants near the school twenty more they came down to the village square we liquidated as many as we could then they came to the east of the village and starts to kill the hostages around sixty of our people were killed the terrorists and to the houses and set them on fire so i didn't want. to deal with the syrian air forces supporting the ground troops pushed to terrorist to retreat to words of mountains after that they continue with the airstrikes that the terrorists first big losses as a result. slaughtered locals like women the elderly children entire families were killed giovanna no measure what else we could do we have to take up arms we need to stop them before they come here what this is attacking in europe these new part of us wait a province coincided with a series of suicide bombings in psuedo security measures have been increased but

the search for potential terrorist still in progress civilian life is far from back to normal as the city remains on edge due to fears that there are many still be terrorists bombed. first hiding in the area no one from sweden marketplace we're lost for sure bruni r.t. . must protest has been held at the headquarters of the un relief and work agency for palestine refugees in gaza or it comes amid news a large number of layoffs a result of the u.s. cutting funding in a move designed to push palestinians towards peace talks with israel. so that. we have served the palestinian people with perfectionism and dedication we hope

this decision will be reversed palestinian people need. dozens of employees receive gigi's sentence thousands of students from. polish toy companies come under fire for making replicas of german world war two combat vehicles the tanks were marketed as fun merchandise as they also feature in a computer game but many complained they contained nazi references the toys have in the meantime been removed from sale. i.

the term is used to make a sensation. we reached out to the makers of the toys they told us no offense was meant the tanks were simply built part of a larger historical replica range coby toys also rejected the claim nazi symbols were displayed on its products. going to take

another short break. everywhere in the world my guess is that probably just about every women expect men to make that first move and here we are in an age where men are scared to make the first move don't know how to make the first move don't know what's right to make the first. four men are sitting in a car when the flips get shot in the head. for a different version of what. one of them is on the death row.