yes absolutely so we know we old you and me and others want to use the term patrick ism to say that's the positive the the fighting for the right cause you know dimension of nationalism so you like me and i think many people in russia will make this distinction between the kind of national attachment that leads you to defend values to defend values against nazism to defend values against all sorts of of problems in the world also to be sunny day with one another to help one another i mean all of these elements of patch risen and national identity are very important the question is when you want to give a lot of. support to trump. i see where you're coming from you're saying in a way you know the americans and us in russia we share this understanding we're not like these naive kind of. europeans who want to forget about nation we understand

that making our country great again is you know the best thing in the world and you can you can say that but are you sure that you want to share with putin the idea sorry with trump the idea that this requires now therefore to build walls to put children. away from their parents to with pup you know racial politics to do all sorts of things are sure as russians you really do want to share with with a trial i have never actually bought the idea that we as russians can really say anything to the americans to the extent that they will actually you know take that as our advice i'm not a big fan of you know meddling in interference stories simply because i don't believe it's possible but i think it's also a little bit manipulative to kind of flump all those things together because you can criticize any politician or any had of stayed on one set of policies and agree with him on another why do we have. to sort of criticize or praise in such

a wholesale manner oh and i don't so you and i can completely agree with this let me give you one example nato you know trumps and i'm not sure speaking to me from moscow is the best example you would take but trying comes to europe and say hey guys you know why you are only four countries a nato spending two percent of their or judy p. or more on defense which we're bearing too much of the burden now course we could say well that serves you it's industrial military complex we could say that the germans for instance spend a lot of money you know in development and that's conflict prevention it's a kind of security you can celsus of that all sorts of things like this but you could also say that in a security alliance there should be an equal sharing of the burden so in that sense i don't like the style the way trump says it but on substance it may not be such a bad idea now of course from the russian viewpoint i'm not sure that's the example

that you prefer but on this one you know i'm happy to to say that there should be a conversation with charm well professor nicolette is a really want to have that conversation with you but in a couple of minutes we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back shortly stay tuned. everywhere in the world my guess is that probably just about everywhere women expect men to make that first move and here we are in an age where men a scared to make the first move don't know how to make the first move don't know what's right to make the first move.

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welcome back to worlds apart and you collide is director of the center for international studies at oxford university professor nickell i did just before the break we touched upon the nato issue and this is a very very sensitive issue for russia i know that many officials in moscow find it very hard to distinguish between the european union which is a political and economic activity that russia is eager to develop its relationship with and. nadir which russia sees as occasionally aggressive military alliance do you think even makes sense for russia or for that matter for the europeans to try to distinguish between these two entities but of course it does make sense as you just explained very brilliantly there are two very different entities. and indeed

the e.u. is a peaceful entity and only a defensive. and of course nato is also a defensive organization but one would include other countries than the e.u. . but you know on the other hand i would say that since you are raising the issue of nato that. while i think that russia. has. complex relationships with nato and with the e.u. it's fair enough for russia to express you know its own interest the kind of alliances that happens in happen in its. neighbors but i wonder how would you navigate this very difficult relationship because on the one hand as i said russia wants to have you know better trade ties with the european countries but when those countries are kind of from the kremlin perspective alert into the nato alliance that makes it. very difficult to

deal on the diplomatic level and i am sure you've heard we've had a number of. scandals recently the russian diplomats have been expelled from greece over the major controversy surrounding the suppose it's russia's interference in the domestic politics of greece dealing with the with its long running dispute over macedonia what is a fair game in it when it comes to europe i mean because as i said before there is trade there is diplomatic relationship and then there is another aspect to it which is security relationship well it is a complex question indeed and you raise of course the latest example of the methadone in question and indeed i'm not cheered to say whether the expulsions were grounded on what kind of information you know i'm just an academic. i don't

have inside information but we what we do know is that a russian businessman or did support pay whatever people who belong to the extremes you know on both sides in grief and in north macedonia people who have rejected an agreement that we have taken the press back greenman between the two countries we've taken twenty five years to get where we are it's an amazing agreement so there are modern agreements it's an agreement of deep reconciliation between two countries of course over the name that becomes north methadone over the sharing of identity between two countries but also lots of other elements of of cooperation and so when you say well you used the word country into nato in asking me about this and i would say very strongly knowing all my friends in scope in north macedonia that they wouldn't all of those who signed the agreement under prime

minute. i would not consider that they have been lured they would consider that indeed this agreement this is the great price of the great reward for their country to both and turn nato and to start negotiations with the european language be fair here because i think it's clear from the public opinion polls in macedonia that the public is quite divided on this issue and we had previous examples in other balkan countries of people sort of being i wouldn't say pressured the alert as the term i used before but kind of prodded towards. that military alliance and that obviously comes on the back of many other far more fraught issues one of them is the issue of ukraine and the other one is a show of georgia the fourth one the major one was there an issue off nader interference and regime change in libya which absolutely appalled not only russia but i think ultimately led to the major immigration crisis in. europe so you

know. this is definitely again this is a formal structure and people who belong to nato they they they talk about the peaceful nature of that alliance but when push comes to shove this alliance das act very approach mystically and sometimes i think russia would argue acts against the best interest of humanity as was the case in in libya so is it really such a surprise that russia would feel so apprehensive about this alliance moving ever closer to its borders. well i understand that is a question that is very important in russia and it's one can hear that but in your question you raise so many different issues it is very hard to respond with a general question so if you're asking me whether the intervention of nato in libya was a great success i'm with you not really i mean it may be in the very short term to avoid. mini death in benghazi it wasn't a bad idea but it was a very mismanaged and we have a bit of

a mess in libya right now and indeed you're completely right that this has contributed to the so-called refugee crisis that's a different issue from nato in the eastern neighborhood or rather the what i would call the shared and disputed and contested neighborhood between russia on one hand and the european union on the other and within that again. i ask you shouldn't we distinguish between the former soviet space the georgia has and ukraine of this world where yes we could have a whole conversation about who wanted nato and ukraine itself was divided and all of that we can have that conversation that's again different from southeast europe from the balkans who were never a soviet space which historic even under tito were always in between which of course since the end of the cold war have themselves expressed in many different ways their wanting to be part of the european union and which of course themselves

are complicated when you're serbia it's not the serbs hour or bows now are not the same story as albania montenegro are indeed north macedonia so we would need to have a complex conversation i simply do not believe in these fears of influence i believe in each country's right to self-determination but i think that concept is being abused way too often and one thing that unites all there is profiles all those cases. that i mentioned before for russia is the mode of decision making beef because if you go back to libya and if you actually analyze how the decision to overstep the un mandate was made it was made because of two individuals it was made because of the colors are crazy and david cameron and those two individuals were able to override all the institutional save gars that europe was so proud about so that decision to ruin the country and. cause a great havoc to the rest of the continent was made by very very close very very

narrow group of people and there is no guarantee for russia that the same group of people or different people of a similar mentality will not make similar decisions when it comes to russia ukraine or any other country in the russia's neighborhood that will in turn destabilize this country do you understand what i'm trying to say well absolutely and indeed first of all it's important to stress that lived was not an action but as you said british and french but in any case you are very right in using aside the historical interpretation of what happened leaving aside the fact that of course we need to learn very deep lessons about how the un functions about how intervention is managed collectively all of this is right but at the vet but i'm not sure i would agree with you that therefore as we look at the libya story we should obsess including the media by saying oh well it's atavistic you know the west has it in

its blood that they will do the same in russia in ukraine or wherever i think the west first of all has learned its lesson with afghanistan and iraq and indeed libya i think in in a way sadly because in syria i'm not sure that the west has necessarily done the right thing or any of the external intervenors but indeed you can see in syria that when it comes to intervening in another country when it comes to overriding sovereignty you know russia helps itself to so. it's a very widely shared problem if it is a problem and we all know that under certain circumstances it may be right to intervene that's why the international community came up with this notion of r t r two p. responsibility to protect i am not saying that r two p. is a reason to intervene anywhere specifically but i'm just saying that this debate about intervention about what you call you know in russia sovereign democracy and all of these issues is a difficult one it's not black and white yes we should refrain from intervening and

imposing our will on other countries but in certain specific cases then it's certain specific very restrictive cases we could also defend the intervention professor nickell it is it could be very easily argued on the kremlin side that libya was that specific case when russia actually did not use its veto power when it trusted that was that the west was going after the good thing but it just couldn't help itself you know you know the rest is history now you said something before that the rest actually learned its lessons if it indeed learned its lessons why do you think it needs to push with the later expansion further and further wouldn't it be you know wiser it's you you know. call it quick hold on that and allowed the trust to be established within the continent and proceed from there and who knows maybe that trust would be enough to proceed with r t p later on why do you think that issue with macedonia and keep pushing for the expansion of nato is

so present earlier on oksana you spoke about where countries should do what they want and you know in terms of institution think about it as supply and demand nato supplies itself and whatever service it gives and countries demand ask for membership or not and would you agree that in all of these stories we need to start from the countries themselves even if we're talking about ukraine or whatever countries but in the balkans and specific in macedonia today we have countries who maybe they're wrong you know i don't know but they themselves their government and majorities of their population would like to be part of these institutions there is this kind of attraction whether it's the e.u. in the money in the markets that it represents and perhaps the values whether it's nato with the sense that it will bring some kind of security and like mindedness they demanded they asked for it you know macedonian friends are north madisonian

friends the reason that they change their own name to north macedonia and this is not an easy thing to do they have a huge pushback domestically they have extremists who are saying no no no we don't want a concession with greece but they think they think the public opinion and the government that the promise of nato membership in e.u. membership is the right thing they're the ones who are asking for it they may be asking for it and yet it is after the parliament to ratify that decision and i think the whole case of russian interference was based on allegations that supposedly that well connected businessman was agitating against or it's a fixation so probably if he was indeed doing that there was some space for turning that opinion. one way or another anyway president gladys we have to leave it there i really appreciate the spirited discussion that you're treated us to today thank you very much for being with us and i encourage our viewers to keep this book conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place

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thing is undeniable mainstream politics in both parties for under pressure to evolve and become more accountable. top stories here on r.t. human rights organizations round on camera after a video emerges showing the execution of two women and the two infants so legibly by the west african nations forces. it is indeed one of the most shocking and despicable ever watched entire year career these brutal execution. systematic abuse is going to be. very old a case on this team documented. syrian president bashar assad if he was an ultimatum to members of the self-proclaimed rescue group the white helmets which he accuses of shielding militant.

border separating. the situation. on this friday july twenty seventh. welcome to you and yours. well the u.n. human rights chief has the west african nation of. alleged abuses in the country. and comes after video emerged of what appears to be the execution of two women. a number of rights groups that the military was responsible for the atrocity

a warning you may find the following video obtained by the news organization the intercept distressing. the moral compass of old is. me he said. it. was all me does. now these shocking images show soldiers from cameroon executing women and children now a uniformed demand is narrating their actions he says that the women and children are part of the boko haram terrorist group after the first round of bullets one of the men wearing military fatigues acknowledges that one of the children is still alive so he shoots again first the government claims that the video was fake news but now it's been reported that four soldiers have been detained keep in mind that cameroon is a key ally of the united states in the war on terror cameroon is advice to partner

in the fight against boko haram isis which suffered another violent extremist organizations in the lake chad basin region a relationship with cameroon is designed to promote stability and security within the region now cameroon hosts hundreds of u.s. troops and a u.s. drone base and at this point the usa continues to supply cameroon with military planes and other assistance even though it's been pointed out by the ambassador to the country that the military has been involved in targeted killings there is going to start the government there is to be summary executions the security detainees people who. chose to go years to their families even to this is for you right now the u.s. state department has expressed concerns over the video that seems to show one of its key allies committing a savage act of brutality we call on the government of cameroon to investigate thoroughly and transparently the events depicted in the video make its findings

public and if cameroonian military personnel were involved. in this atrocity hold them accountable this is hardly the first time that cameroon has raised the concerns of human rights groups and amnesty international report documented over one hundred cases of murder torture and abuse we used witness testimony and photographs from the social media accounts of this soldier is to digitally moto the site and locate incidents within it the arms and legs of this detainee abound in a stress position known as the position detainees report being held in this way for days at a time and at first there were reports that the u.s. state department had temporarily suspended aid to the country but the pentagon was quick to dispel those rumors there has been no change the assistance the department of defense provides to cameroon as a direct result of violence in the engle friend regions of cameroon the united

states constantly tells us that its foreign policies are about defending freedom it accuses geo political rivals of violating human rights but it looks like cameroon past friend of the pentagon has anything but a clean record label mop and r.t. washington d c a lot of the other quotes you ever saw the international who's examined to come a rooney on military abuses says that the human rights violations are systematic and to go unpunished. it is indeed one of the most shocking and despicable videos that i've ever watched in my own entire career we spent a lot of time at amnesty to analyze d.d.r. we have collected an testimony seven from for our sources hundred ground and we have compounded these testimonies with the analysis of our experts including military experts we are very surprised and shocked by the fact that the minister of communication s dismissed the d.d.s. fake news even before launching an investigation on the case and recorded

systematic torture extrajudicial executions. arbitrary arrests cases of enforced disappearances and all these cases never been dealt with. now we have asked the cameroonian prime minister's office for comment. syrian president bashar assad has issued an ultimatum to the activist group known as the white helmets branding them a quote mask for terrorists he says they are currently operating an ied leave the last rebel stronghold in syria which are surrounded by government forces. the fate of the white helmets will be the same is that any terrorist they have to pass on to lay down their arms and take advantage of the amnesty or be wiped out like other terrorists well the syrian president bashar al assad has reiterated his position on

the white house it's being a controversial group now in the past he's regarded the white house mrs agents of western powers that have links to jihad this groups and he said that the world has been warned of the group's dangers now this comes as the syrian government has condemned the evacuation of the white house minutes from the south of the country and damascus has described the move as a criminal operation by israel and its tools but the israel defense forces said that they were acting on a request by the u.s. the u.k. and other european nations as well but the evacuees were taken to jordan by the i.d.f. on washington's request and it's thought that the plan was to evacuate around eight hundred white helmets and that family is but the number now seems to be about hoffa's that and the number of them are expected to resettle in western countries such as canada germany and france tells a bit more about this evacuation was needed well at the moment the syrian army is currently advancing on one of the last rebel centers in syria but this aside for

a year is the white house myth groups have advertise themselves as a volunteer force and they get a huge funding from western countries and the groups also being praised by the west as well they've even received an offer for a documentary but the group's been repeatedly accused of cooperated closely with the hardest groups and effectively serving as that media branch as well stage and rescue operations the social media as well so that all this all adds up to the controversy surrounding the group. get me at all you so with no they would bring cameras and explosives something to destroy for example this building here that find people in the streets and promised the money or food to say whatever they needed.

to syrian first responders who risk their lives to save others in war torn aleppo the face of unrelenting brutality heroes have emerged. i have to tell you whenever food aid was brought into east aleppo the white helmets and the rebels would take it all for themselves they give us nothing not even bread . they have all chosen to risk their lives to save others. when you see that all the children when we go out to buy food we see them if there was a collapsed building off tourist shelling they cooled off the area and favorable fire to people they cared about they would leave the civilians same happened not far from here a building was destroyed in shelling and they came just to pull their own out as

usual they lift civilians. we've been able to get these brave people and their families out of syria after the extraordinary work they've done saving lives why helmets nice people to help the rebels only did in save civilians the locals out for rebels. in the war activists can stone says western powers who support the white helmets off fully aware of the threat and agenda of the group. i don't think they're naïve the people in the establishment they know exactly what they're doing the establishment knows full well that this group is part of the arsenal of weaponry that is being used against illegally against the government of syria and they continue to be.