that they care about most and because of that i think that's the chief issue that's driving them to the polls not to mention this is about the most conservative administration we've seen maybe since reagan and i think that it's it's an amazing situation to be in for certainly because donald trump is not someone you would think would be an evangelical voters favorite candidate so is just a aster ask john the question is do the evangelicals believe in all and all and an eleventh commandment now which says that it's ok to cheat on your wife and lie about it so long as you support the right candidate for the supreme court is that would have been joe i but because i remember going there because on the other hand when president clinton had an extramarital affair and every republican want to impeach him for it just curious as to how republicans rationalize it when the shoe is on the other foot now actually if that's revisionist history because it was actually for lying under oath nobody was impeaching the president for adultery and quite frankly i wish we'd had this conversation back in the one nine hundred ninety

s. as well because if i throw back at you you know democrats excuse the behavior and they did in droves so let's just say that's just stick with the president let's stick with the president ben jealous right now evangelicals to your argument believe that it's ok to cheat on your wife and cover up about it and lie about it so long as you support the right candidate for the supreme court and that your position. i think i think the position that you're taking is that you know it's ok for bill clinton to do it but no no i'm asking about donald trump and i think i'm asking about it's a false argument that's why you should also document it was you want to know was where was where were you a minute ago was that ok well as those was lying under oath democrats so where were you that's roundly. roundly content you want to let me a lot to answer the question democrats roundly roundly criticized clinton for that which you don't do in the case of donald trump that's point one point two is let's stick with your argument now you just your response to larry was well even jellicoe

olds and conservatives give donald trump a pass not only on the cheating of on the one on the wife not only with the with with porn stars and playboy playmates not only on all of the lies that occur on a daily basis relating to russia not only on the obstruction of justice issues not only on a long litany of issues we can go through because he supports the right guy the first supreme court as one of its focus on your argument here for a second that's the argument you're making well the question was why do evangelical voters support trump and i was taking a gander that it was on the supreme court would be the chief issue and i think what you're trying to do is you're trying to justify your favorite president bill clinton's behavior by comparing it to donald trump's look here's the deal the american idol from his was worth say let the donald trump hillary clinton lost get over it yes that's going to morrows that's another argument. reportedly it is a bipartisan push to impose new sanctions on russia it's gaining ground in the

senate you think we might see that john. yet we might i think a lot of most republicans have been pretty consistent and i would i would join in this russian interference our election is something that should be condemned defended against should be aggressively pursued investigation and otherwise and i think republicans are really interested in pursuing that i think that's different then then that the accusation that somehow donald trump colluded with the russians but i would join with the republicans that have been aggressive on this and i think they should impose additional sanctions on russia for what they did to our election the reported visit julian the visit of this to putin to the white house will not happen this fall but will happen early in twenty nineteen what do you make of that change well you've heard in the last week just dozens of republicans mccain. graham ben sasse the chairman of the foreign relations committee corker on down the

line roundly condemned the president as being and that confused. ill informed on the facts in berra saying i mean these are not words from democrats these are words from a puppet republicans have used in the last week so i think there's been a firestorm of criticism from his own party and i would point out to my friend the criticism and the sanctions are not just about the interference in the elections which is now undisputed essentially by everybody other than the president the president has different stories depending on which day of the week it is but it's also because of the annex ation of crimea it's the interference in syria and the attempt to bust buttress a dictator in syria it's what's going on in north macedonia what happened in the united kingdom it's a whole series of things that republicans have taken a starkly different position republicans and democrats alike and taken a starkly different position from this white house on john it's the most

investigation is not wrapped up before the twenty eighteen election what to think will that have do you think on the elections. you know i would agree i was watching morning joe this morning and lot of the folks on there were talking about the impact this might have an election and most of the and they're not donald trump supporting progressives on the show believe that there would not be much effect of the small investigation on the midterms i think people really are looking at the kitchen table issues and that's the republicans ought to be talking about we ought to be talking about the impact the tax cuts have had in the economy we ought to be talking about infrastructure all the things that the president has gotten done for deregulation and i think that's what people are going to be voting on julian do you think the democrats are going too far left. i think there's a danger that they could go too far left and i think they have to be cautious of that i think it's a big tent party and what i think you've seen in various races whether it's connor lamb or or the recent race in new york where the fourth one third ranking

democrat was had lost his seat i think democrats have a wide enough tent to be able to appeal on a broad based set of issues i would also say that i agree that if mahler doesn't make a move very quickly in the month of august i think it would be inappropriate for him to make any moves before the election the way jim comi did in two thousand and sixteen in terms of this point as to whether the public cares about the mall or investigation i mean i just think my friend is mistaken on that it's true that the republicans don't but independents and democrats who together make up a substantial majority of voters all support the mauler pro-ball think it's very important all think there's something significant here john i hope the democrats campaign on the investigation i hope that's all they focus on because if they do they're going to lose and i think voters are not going to be motivated to show up to vote for democrats in the fall because they're all over this investigation the

same thing happened in the one thousand nine hundred voters were turned off by the cost investigations of bill clinton we should stick to the issues and that's how we went john didn't say these things but these things just aren't true i mean you say there's no evidence of collusion and i show you there's plenty of evidence of collusion with people involved in the closers the trump family that's point one point two why do you share your data on how the investigation is driving voters share your data that you have to document their ladders or motivated independents and i'm sure you're doing ladley gladly so there's enormous amount of polling data that believes that this administration is corrupt and it's not just russia it's a whole series of other issues and that these election will be a referendum on doll front and will be in part to check the. option that has been going on on a wide range of issues and that data shows up in independents and that data show up with democrats and that may not show up with republicans but it shows up with a majority of voters so i think your data is wrong with you one more thing in john the terrorist is

a. joke there was generalize the terror vandals the trump has launched he now proposes twelve billion dollars aid package to farmers negatively affected by those tariffs what do you make of that john. yeah you know i'm in a fiscal conservatism is the hallmark of the republican party and i'm not afraid to say when i disagree with the president this is one of those areas where i do i don't think you can it's not fiscally conservative to say that i'm going to impose tariffs and then simultaneously aid packages i think the president's made a promise that he was going to impose tariffs that was what he was going to do everybody knew this going in and he's keeping that promise whether you agree with it or not this is what the american people elected period but i do think that it's you know i don't think you can do both i think i think you have to be consistent and we should be in a city if you going to do tariffs see if it works it's too early to tell but then doing an aid package sort of a bailout i think is just not consistent with you know the republican platform on

fiscal conservatism julian john thanks so much for your time today we'll call on you again very soon thanks for having thanks guys we'll have more politicking right after the break.

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shoot around a corner. back to politicking fallout donald trump's helsinki meeting with russian president vladimir putin continues saber rattling between the trump administrating and iran and global economic adjustments occurring over the presidents trade war. this william cohen former secretary of defense in the clinton administration former republican u.s. senator from maine from maine and a bestselling author and chairman of the global business consulting firm the cohen group he's an old friend it's always great to have a joyous and he does joining us from washington william you described from his

approach during the nato summit in brussels as a negotiation by you merely ation you know what do you mean basically the president trump was correct to go after our nato allies to say you really need to commit more to the. self-defense of your company or your country and the collective capability of nato i have made the same pitch as well as virtually every other secretary of defense including bob gates i think the president was right to insist that they now measure up to what they said they would. always resisted any kind of temptation to publicly try to shame a head of another country or sect or a defense of another country or a president and i always felt that you do that and in private you sit around a table say you know madam president or the chancellor. of germany.

we have a problem here you are not committing enough to the collective defense of nato membership and to go through each one of them hold a sheet and saying this is what you pledge to this is what you've done we need more and i think you can do that in part in private but i don't. think you can do it and should do it in public because it will generate hostility on the part certainly of those members the heads of state of other countries but it's also going to generate hostility on the part of their citizens where you start to insult. chancellor merkel. or the british prime minister may or go down the list and most of those people most countries can say wait a minute this is our country you're talking about this is our leader your trouble we may not agree with the prime minister may we're chancellor merkel merkel but it's our country and so i think that generates a lot of ill will now to the extent that it causes them to fulfill their or. their

two percent spending that's a good thing but i think long term it undermines admiration for the united states affection for the united states and when we have to call upon them in the future they may be less likely to want to help him with drums tweeted that he looks forward to a second meeting with putin the white house says discussions are on the way it's the next year it won't happen this year but reuters reports that moscow is indicating it's not the right time to have an invitation the two sides need just let the dust settle after helsinki what do you make of that meeting apparently now switch the next year. well i think it's always important to talk to president putin i met with him certainly when i was in office at the very end of my term but i met with. president gorbachev i met with president yeltsin so i was always eager to meet with the soviets then the russians because there are

a powerful country they have one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the world and so it's important that we meet with them and talk with them my objection to the meeting in helsinki was that there was no agenda. that they had a private two hour meeting with no one taking notes and we don't know what they discussed or what commitments may have been made either by the russian president or by president trump that's something it's really quite exceptional in our history and i think it's open to. different interpretations of what was said what was meant what was heard and how it was taken by the other person so it's i think it's always really important when you have the head of the you know of the united states and the head of russia having a record so we know exactly what was said so we can go back and say wait a minute this is what you said you agreed to but now you're backtracking etc so

that was my my bigger objection to it and i didn't think that we should be in any way praising president putin without pointing out what he's been doing he fired a sensually he fired a digital bullet into the heart of democracy and he's been disrupting elections in europe he's been threatening the baltic states he annexed crimea etc and i think we have to lay those out and say you can't get relief from these sanctions until you start behaving in a way that's consistent with international law. and then when the president said he'd like to invite him to the white house i thought well why the white house how about camp david. moral law go to the white house is special to me the white house represents something special to the people of this country and i just didn't feel that president putin at this point was entitle to be praised for the red carpet treatment given at the white house as long as there was

a meeting i didn't have any problem of that but i just think that it diminishes the significance of what it means to meet the present united states in washington at the white house trump insists that he's been tougher on russia than any previous american president hugo. well i think he has been tougher in some sense don't forget the sanctions were imposed initially under the obama administration for the invasion into ukraine the annexation of crimea crimea i think he has been tougher in the sense that he has at least committed additional weaponry to the ukrainians which the obama administration refused to do so in that sense yes but i haven't seen much beyond that i haven't seen really i think after the attack upon the united states and the revelation that this was done not by the five

hundred pound guy sitting on his bed with a laptop but we identified specifically those members of the g.r.u. their intelligence service when they did what they did with whom they communicated to so i would expect any president to say in view of this i'm not accepting your denial i'm accepting my intelligence community's verification that you and your team your intelligence team attacked us unexceptable it's going to require more sanctions so that's what i want to see a reaffirmation of our intelligence community not some kind of apple those are two . to the president who says he gave a very strong denial well did you expect him to say yes i did it i thought i was being helpful to you but apparently you're not grateful no i think that you don't accept president putin you accept your own intelligence unanimous assessment and that russia tried to influence and in intruded into our electoral system but your

party you served under a democratic president your public and moderate from maine why of so few republicans even when he does some things way out there not criticize the president well i think they're acting out of fear. i think they understand that the president trump has a core level of support that is unshakable and to the extent that they speak up and are critical they may find themselves in a primary contest which they won't be able to win and i think oh the only people who are speaking up are those who are not running all of those who are retiring or saying hey you made a mistake here you shouldn't have done this etc so part of the large part of it is fear of having to run in a campaign in which the trump supporters would come out with

a great deal of financial support and the attack would be relentless so i think that's the reason why i'm not sure that'll change it would depend upon what evidence if any is forthcoming in terms of obstruction of justice or the russian influence in putin's ability to extort more compliancy from from the president i don't know what that evidence is it may not amount to any but we'll have to wait and see what do you make of this latest back and forth with iran. well . i worry about it in the sense that. i don't think we can just threaten another war like we did with north korea i was very much opposed to the notion that we could have a kind of a decapitation strike against the north korean leadership and not have mendis casualties hundreds of thousands of casualties in south korea so i was glad the

sectary madis was there. a caution in the war on the north korean peninsula or on the korean peninsula would be devastating and consequence i'm glad that they be able to lower the temperature with respect to iran we have a different situation at this point they don't have nuclear weapons but they do have the revolutionary guard they do they are constitute a real threat a terrorist threat they have been gauging terrorist activities not only in the east but around the world so i think the notion that we're going to be able to just level the strike iran and prevent them from ever getting them into weapons is a bit optimistic and i think that we've got to be careful if there's a new deal that can be struck great but i don't know that by threatening that we're going to have fired fury is going to bring them to the table and hope it does but i think we'll just have to wait and see whether or not they're going to bend or whether or not the threats are going to harden the support for the clerical regime

what's your reaction to where we are right now with north korea. well i'm still waiting for him to hear from the north koreans you may recall that the language that was used we're going to insist upon a comprehensive. verifiable irreversible denuclearization. that was our position that was the bottom line we're going to sister poland you don't hear that language anymore now it's much more ambiguous much more amorphous. they may make some. effort to show some progress but in the meantime we stopped our training exercises in the meantime we suggested we may want to reduce or remove american soldiers from the korean peninsula and to suggest that up front really reduces your leverage because the north koreans will pocket that and by the way it sends a signal to others in the region that we're retrenching and we're pulling out and

that means they start to fear for their future if the united states is not going to be quote their guardian shield they better make deals with other countries including china and so when you make statements or you make a specific deal i think this is where the problem i look at it from the view i look at it. that if everything is transactional you don't really have a comprehensive approach and i sort of liken it to you playing pool and you want to get that ball in the pocket and you just slam it in and you didn't take into account that the ball that you have to use the cue ball is at the other end of the table now and you're far away from what you knew need to achieve so what you want to do is always play position you always want to make sure that you have the entire table in mind and so when we negotiate with the south koreans for example we have to be very careful what one statement or what one action will mean for japan and if

we declare that we're going prepared to remove our troops themselves korea which of the japanese think well i thought our troops in japan were helping to reinforce the need for support in south korea should there be a conflict and so they will have to start saying what does this mean for us then you go down the list of the the so-called aussie on countries southeast asian countries each one of them is under pressure from china and when you send a signal that you may very well reduce your presence in a pin or premature way they're going to start calculating where their interests really lie so you know the president may have a. all my act mapped out to me i've always tried to take a comprehensive look to see if i make this move if i make a chess move shouldn't i make sure i know where i'm going and what the impact will be on the rest of the board and if you feel everything is just a straight transaction a straight shot then i think it reduces your ability to have that kind of

flexibility this is secretary as always thanks so much for your time today and good talking with you william larry thank you it's always a pleasure to be on the show william cohen a great american thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me of kings things don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. be a. well

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