of helsinki trump appeared to have want to have another bite at the apple and then he changed his mind we can talk about why that happened and then potent turns around and invites trump to moscow the same kind of perilous jeopardy or is a different gambit in play go ahead charles in london what i think for me for both presidents showed what is possible and what is possible once the apparatus of crecy or shall we say what trump himself might even call the deep state is pushed to one side as we know in the house think it was very much of a one on one conversation apart from the interpreters and we still don't know the full extent of what was discussed and although much of the american media and british media even have pointed to that in a very prejudicial way as if we should know everything that is discussed between leaders of course this is completely normal of course when it comes to conferences and meetings between people of course there's an awful lot of chatter that goes on behind the scenes and that's as it has to be as in any negotiation and himself

would point out few people in the planet as he would say know more about negotiation than he does but of course i think the reaction back in united states and the united kingdom. countries that of course are very much opposed to trump's policies in many ways his policies of trying to seek some kind of agreement with most countries and certainly with russia and probably behind the scenes with china and as we saw korea of course we can talk and we have talked many times in the past on this program and elsewhere about the vested interests that lie in not promoting that kind co-operative agenda there's an agenda of course of confrontation and there are too many vested interests in now and we can go into so i think from what i've expected to be a response he received and he's played that quite well he's if you like go to the media go to the deep state establishment the political establishment united states by saying hey we're inviting this arch enemy of the entire world is putin is portrayed in the media over. to the very homeland itself then when there was the

shock and awe over that and then when nobody action came. and then of course in steps always the grand chess master and exam invited him exactly exactly what your reaction because i could understand why trump backed away because i think he wants the midterms to get out of the way and we still have the miller investigation going on here but what it putin invite trump. basically putin has other things. there then the united states mr putin is russia is faced with a lot of challenges with a lot of things which need reform and there is no interest for the russian state for the russian deep state whatever to be engaged in constant warfare with one of the largest and most powerful geo political players in the globe so basically putin's line is very simple he is looking for relative the talent is willing to be

able to talk not shout already they've already met the man they've already met say i mean it seemed to me that you would need some kind of concrete step and that you know and kind of agreeing with eric here i mean ok the ice has been broken but what could the russian side expect with another meeting so close on the heels of helsinki well at least some improvement there with russian diplomatic premises in the us which are being occupied i'm sorry against that war you know russia. famous american courts are pretty slow but also let me remind you who told us that was postponing the meeting john bolton course said that let me quote him i'm there when chart is over well to hear from john bolton about we can't that is something that is going to you know you know what that tells me and tells me that john bolton loeb's power you want to. know you want to tell you it's not going to. be over

anytime soon it is the one straw that the u.s. democratic party has to let you know eighteen months after the election they're still argue with the referee look at this it's a suicide note on the table one of the things gentlemen i keep saying this and it maybe this is going to be my signature comment for the year ok try this mitt putin campaign promise kept ok check done let me go back to charles in london i think all of us took a look at this article in the spectator and there's no author attached to it trumpet trades the elites a sense that the u.s. always is a peer in democracy loving you know it's really quite interesting because the authors of this article essentially say that trump is the first post exceptional as president to be united states that's a remarkable characterization go ahead charles it's one day i won't surprise you to hear that i absolutely agree with your book it's an excellent article yeah it's very well timed and i think it hits the nail on the head and i would recommend

readers viewers to try and get a hold of that and you know to eat it myself but it's actually in line with what yourself peter myself and others two and a half years ago on this program and elsewhere we were discussing that this is likely to be what would happen in india and having it's not just as the article says that this is why the deep state dislikes trump it's why they disliked the prospect of trump so and off years ago because they predicted that this is what's going to happen trump is effectively as the article says he is a transactional personality he's a president that conducts diplomacy in terms of trying to action is another something just to say transactions in terms of business although he does do a lot of that as well and again i would say that none of what i'm saying here is in support of or against from his just seems to me to be a factual observation there he regards diplomacy as transactions and therefore of course he benefits very much from his business experience and he conducts one to one meetings and not just with putin. but around the world that is bringing some

benefits it is reducing tensions at a time when much of the world ok you use you use that term abusive term benefits that's very interesting benefit benefit thing who let me read part of it here but in crucial ways the national is bigger he trump and bodies is not necessarily one in the same with the exceptional nation meet those which has animated the self conception of the american political class for decades for his detractors in that in the think tanks in the elite media institutions this is heresy the. point is that trump has understood some of trump is an american supremacist he is not an american exceptionalism he sees that america as a conglomeration of business interests and it is his job to forward to further their interests and this is what he's seeking to do what trump has understood with a certain animal cunning is that the united states is threatened by one country and

one country only and that country is not russia so to push russia into the arms of china is is madness it's already happened we'll talk about this i'm going to have to talk about polls and i think much of his strategy because his character may sometimes seem a bit wild and woolly and unpredictable but that does not mean that there is not a well thought out strategy no i think so i think there is trying to do he's going to be a strategy and the strategy is to minimize threats to american exaggerates redeemer where's democracy promotion you know. where is you know with me a liberal agenda in all it's not the garrets not part of that's the whole point it's not there and there's a stop to it that's what makes them so angry that you were there the globalists and i lived in this article they say you know that trump is not an american nationalist transsexual list but the people who go to america involved in all of these wars in

libya in iraq are they really american nationalists did they really just serve american national interest i love the recent presentation by tucker carlson who said that i'm quoting him people who know it's your strawman of being a russian puppet happened to be the same people who had been mismanaging all foreign policy for the past few decades who invaded iraq who killed more market for no obvious reason and who played along the horrible syrian civil war these people made america. we and poor and said and no they are american nationalist and exceptionally has iraq but i'm going to go back to charles before we go to the break here charles i mean that there is that one word in that paragraph that i read it really stands out this is heresy that's exactly how trump is being treated he's a heretic in the in the minds in the eyes of the think tanks in of the liberal

media go ahead charles. yes that's exactly right and it's as we predicted two and a half years ago i get back to that point because the. let's use a reset extended deep status extends beyond america that includes for example much of the british establishment the british intelligence services and so on we talked endlessly and i'm glad we did because it's all pretty largely correct that they were seeking to discredit and undermine any possible even impeach trump even as he was paid inaugurated and their worst fears have come true he has had to play a careful game and i think after two years he's learning to play that game but he's learning to handle a deep state know where he has to give a little pound of flesh here and there where behind the scenes he can continue with what he wants to do as you say fulfill his promises in respect of russia and otherwise but there's still two years to go and we'll have to wait and see if he can survive those four years it may be possible he can actually fully turn around american foreign policy it's

a big gamble that he's taken but he's learned to do it in small stages yes the big big question will be november elections here last thirty seconds for this part go ahead erick. the point is people and he was talking about civil wars and you've got to realize that there is a low intensity civil war underway in the united states right now where if you look at the media everything is now defined in terms of black and white you cannot there was no analysis of trump's strategy because when you're talking about the devil in medieval theology you don't ask what are the devil's motives he's evil because he is a demon trump is by definition evil so you don't they don't think about they don't try to analyze what he was going to do it in a way to go to a short break here and we have to keep in mind that donald trump. public opinion numbers are going up down after a short break we'll continue our discussion on trump's agenda stay with our team.

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welcome back to crossfire were all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let me turn to d.m.a. here we still continue to get articles out again you know health sinking is an interesting program is that henry kissinger is giving advice to president trump that and kissinger actually comes to i think he's been to russia seventeen times and he's going to hear and that the united states has to somehow come to an agreement with russia against china of course an echo of what kissinger engineered during the nixon administration nixon went to china i still think that train has

left the station a long time ago i think it is going to disagree with me a little bit well i agree with you because it was basically president obama who i think was the most disastrous president in u.s. history primarily because he destroyed institutions you know he made people does believe in the elections for the first time in many years. to use foreign policy disaster the main foreign policy disaster was that he managed to make russia and china elyse you know when russia became basically for the united states because of the ukrainian adventure of mr obama and mrs new one right. push and pull and they meet into china and what did obama do he visited all of china's competitors you know philippines he reassured that will against china and the chinese gave us a great surprise that we have been asking from them for ten years maybe more so china and they became you know unwittingly probably russia's their way and it's not

going to change in the near future because mr obama. may be about to change but the point is that this is an on. russia russia has interests are been arguing for the last fifteen years that russia's interests were to turn towards china but that does not mean that it was to be totally beholden to china russia's best interests are to be able to balance the world is going to break up into two competing poles you've got the western pole and you've got the greater china pole and russia would be very well to be able to move back and forth between them play them off against each other where possible and i don't want to sound. stolen this from one thousand nine hundred three didn't bring blatter what i mean just tore also had it had a point basically in this triangle the soviet union now russia china the united states because always been like that every paul wanted the other two poles to

quarrel. but everyone's been the main really diplomacy cold relations with both of them to met you next is it a yes in that science i'll know was and they need nixon went to be gin and managed to have good relations with china have normal relations with britain there and china and the soviet union of our mortal fall said ok i made it not only did the office it let me go to charles here the thing is that in looking at this gambit of you know three major polls the thing is what does the west now have to offer to russia because russia since one thousand nine hundred one and i would say that china during its modernization remarkable marden modernization russia and china have one very important thing in.