care. crisis is unbelievable it's the cuts in social has the most devastating half of all those other social workers he's a ton of for half an hour at the person's house once a week just to check the handful of those jobs i got mails in wales and another being delivered. to me. and the really odd thing about it is that the biggest effect has been on people in their eighty's and late seventy's and this group will be majority middle class to live that long majority and probably voted conservative in seventy nine and eighty three in eighty seven and the bulk of the premature deaths that happen to date is at least one hundred twenty five thousand their sport for it has actually elderly people who had swallowed during their middle age the idea that you vote for the market and laissez faire would never be good and they're the ones dying earlier and dying earlier than people elsewhere in europe and it's not just the poor who are being affected by this this is affecting

everybody the in the in from the whole population is now going up five years ago it was just for babies with mums who were from working class now it's everybody and this is what happens at the peak. there were things i used to complain about five years ago and say this is terrible. elderly women were losing five and a half weeks of life expectancy and i came out that you can't believe this has not been nothing compared to what's happening today just just finally you say you can hear the new labor blairite in tory policies do if they were a medical trial they'd be drawn on ethical grounds you compare inequality policies to terrorism since you've got to be mentioning death. well in your thought experiments that at the end of the book in the fourth or in the last section of the book. tries to look back to day for imagining a hundred years in the future because if you're swept up in it if you're in it now it's. nothing can change much you know which will hold on to what they've got if

you look back at nineteen eighteen and look at just how much change so quickly from one hundred years ago you can see that change is actually normal change is what we should expect what you have to ask is what will people look at in the future the where during now and say they didn't realize how in human that was and i'm not really trying to guess the future because you can do that i mean is an example of a countries that are ahead of us in time if you like and they get better results but also their children are happy and mental health happier and i also get to look at what we're doing now which i suspect will be seen as as ridiculous in future and at the heights of inequality countries do the most ridiculous things and his well being i mean the big rise in inequality in germany was in the nineteen thirty s. . inequality rises are not necessarily good news they can relate to fascist governments

but any other kind of bad news is after the peak in normally takes twenty years before you even notice things getting better it's not a sudden ivana you know it is just you're no longer seeing the rich taking more and more don't suddenly see life improve for everybody it's the bad news is it's a very slow process going down the slope again president i don't thank you. after the break. food banks for kids as children in the u.k. begin this summer holidays we speak through in geo feeding britain about one year the hoff a million emergency food parcels went to children in less fear and homicide rates higher than new york we are reform getting there but how do you hold seemingly spiraling increases in the life crime rate for the wood on the streets of england and wales well the simple coming up in today's going on the ground.

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is an oxymoron there there's no more wealth to acquire the ecosystem is collapsing . the economy is flooded with worthless feel paper and the species is migrating over to the digital sphere feasibly these networks and platforms people are uploading their minds into cyberspace and hope to become immortal so every dollar spent on defense every dollar spent by the pentagon is a wasted dollar that's a no. one thousand eight hundred seventeen sixteenth century mindset it's completely antiquated and as i've only worked. welcome back in the first half we heard from oxford professor danny dorling about inequality leading to the earlier hundred thirty thousand children being homeless last christmas but how have british children now on summer holiday been affected by years of austerity brought on by bailing out the city of london's bank because joining me now is rodeo girls she is the national director of the group feeding

britain rosie thanks for coming on the show so nothing more welcome to children and summer holidays but your organization telling a different story that summer is not going to be fun for maybe millions in britain millions of children so course the summer holiday should be a really positive time it should be a time that children in their families look back on with very happy memories but unfortunately for a lot of children in the u.k. that isn't the case the school holidays can be a time that's but a lot of pressure on families financially children who get their free school meals during the term time suddenly that support falls away and families are faced finding anywhere between thirty and forty pounds a week extra they didn't have to before so it can be a time of real hardship and worry for families as well but the good news is that lots of community groups around the country supporting children running activity sessions and meals and last week the government announced that they are funding two million pounds this summer to support those clubs which is

a really positive move two million pounds across england and wales across the united kingdom steering abounds across england and it's a pilot fate is the price of a woman bedroom flat in central and we could always always asking for more but it's a really positive start in the first time there has been national government funding for holiday provision and it's a pilot program so they'll be looking at what comes out of the summer what can we learn about the evidence and what works and hopefully using that as the basis for larger scale funding in the future and when do we clear. it's called feeding britain you just mentioned lifeline we're talking about the fact that children would start of if you were. not able to help them some orders we certainly see families in very difficult situations families obviously under financial pressure what we see a lot of the time is parents skipping meals themselves to make sure their children's are fed which is obviously a desperate situation to be in but it's not just about the food millions of children these are isolated cases it's a huge problem the all party parliamentary group on hunger last year estimated that

there are three million children in the u.k. at risk of hunger during the school holiday so these are big numbers and we're really seeing a spike during the school holidays one of our projects in the northeast started recently and saw double the number of children turning up on the first day of provision that they expected i was talking to a food bank in cornwall recently where the feedback manager there in the on the first day of the school holidays provided food for eight hundred meals now last year in the whole six week summer holiday they provided three thousand meals so they're seeing a really worrying spike and they're really concerned about the situation for the families they work with this and the shadow education minister emma a little book claims that these problems are due to a direct will there are a direct result of the removal of early intervention services so it was the downgrading of sure stored. on the coalface do your people actually see that i mean as i were telling you or is it just it's always been like this well there's always been poverty but i think when you look at food once you start to look into the

causes underlying it it's not just about food it's giving someone a meal isn't the solution we have to look at why someone ended up in that situation in the first place and a lot of the reasons why people are finding themselves in hardship are to do with problems of the benefits system so either incorrect payments incorrect calculations benefit delays or a lot of for a lot of families they're in work with their own insecure contracts or low incomes and they're really struggling to make ends meet so there is a bigger picture there and it's feeding britain as well as trying to support families in the near future we're also trying to look at how do we solve some of those underlying causes by working with the politicians to try and bring about legislation to change the i was a universal credit. driesum is new policies since you've been prime minister punishing people sanctions against people in benefit to encourage them into work is that helping well unfortunately we're seeing a lot of people affected by universal credit and sanctions coming to emergency food

project it is one of the quite significant drivers of proving doing well i think what we're calling for is ways to improve that system some of the very practical concrete changes that could be changed around universal concept credit sanctions to make it work better so one of the things for example we're calling for a yellow card system and sanctions so for a first offense or a first issue someone's issued a warning rather than being sanctioned straightaway because if you cut of someone's benefits straight away it really does put that family into a lot of hobbies you wouldn't occur to anyone would have to have a fear because the break. into and the whole of britain is. giving its post policy responsibility to says food banks like the ones your members are involved in they're not. dramatical poverty they are symptomatic of cashflow problems as i say i think there is a bigger picture here that we really need to be looking at i mean the food banks are run by community volunteers it's it's a community response to

a need that's grown it's poverty or aids or poverty to me it's absolutely poverty the reason but that someone finds themselves stuck into food is because the pressure on the household income has reached such an extent that they've had to seek emergency assistance so to support those people yes they need good quality food and dignified way but we also need to look at why they're ending up in a situation and look at this is stomach issues and i think those are issues for politicians feeding britain was established by a cross party group of politicians i think this is bigger than party politics it's about looking at those root causes and saying what can we do in a very practical sense to make sure that families don't end up in this situation and i know you have to be bipartisan or on the issue as of n.g.o.s but right now jacob riis morg who is the favorite to replace to resume the reason that he ever wanted to do that clearly saying and you're saying three million children the food banks are uplifting the world what it really is is david cameron's big society

in practice and this is a symptom of. a good side to british civic society well we be delighted to invite down some of the projects we work with so that he can talk to the volunteers and talk to families and understand really what it's like in a practical sense for those families during school holidays and we'd be delighted to talk to them but they say she's just very briefly your next project are you working on fuel poverty obviously or don't think about winter as well as rural poverty as opposed to urban yes so one of the projects we're launching at the moment is in cornwall which is obviously an area of you know it's a delayed holiday destination specially this time of year but once the holiday season finishes there's a lot of hardship during the winter so we're raising money for an emergency fuel bank which will be located in one of the food the food banks and alongside an emergency food parcel families will be given a voucher to top up their gas or electricity meter because what we've seen in previous years is people are unable to use the food they're given at the food bank

because they don't have the gas or electricity to cook it so it's a really simple intervention and we're asking the public in cornwall holidaymakers to help us raise thirty thousand pounds to get that underway was yoga be thank you thank you very much. well of the inequality and austerity outlined by professor danny dorling and rosie o. goes we wasn't allowing enough some of describing rises in violent crime in the u.k. as a public health emergency latest u.k. government statistics show knife crime at a record high with more than forty thousand incidents between march twenty seven gene and march twenty eight hundred twenty now as kevin monger who used to be a gang member and is now a law student and community activist he is the author of young black males have potential kevin thanks for coming on the show to tell me about your journey and how you gave up violence in south london after literally a dale of two cities paris and london what was really a rough start to life as you know i was born in front i came here. in corydon but i

grew up and i saw you know the similarities from paris to. london. crime. gangs you know groups of people form in groups minorities especially. you know for a long period of time i was able to stay away from it but then of age of sixteen i realized that it was joined again by i became a victim and so due to that fact i the only way for me to you know escape. the victim my victimization was daring to again you know so. i joined a gang because in mainstream media gangs of portrayed is incarnations of evil basically there's no context whatsoever i mean how was the i mean did teachers do anything i mean thousands. in croydon according to latest figures in south london toward encloses a more than thirty primary education oversubscription of a now over

a thousand percent in some cases schools better in your day the ranges i think school was definitely better in my day. now i think what is happening is this so-called gangs or gangsters or actually people that are prisoners prisoners to the streets prison is to certain ideologies and ideals you know that they are governed by you know when i think of it and i look at the picture out there actually no law so what's happening is these young men or forming groups. and they're just making up their own laws and you see people who are gang members and killing jobs on the streets and they kill each other agree rather than anyone else outside these areas one reason why mainstream media.