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it is they hope the loop the authorities still doing the plight of my clients and force them to take action. paris. made headlines last month being arrested in the u.s. for being a russian agent she now faces further allegations that she is luring american money to russia. spoke to a lawyer attorney is coming up very soon on america's you choose channel the full version. well i think if you read the indictment of the case is alleged to be an agent over russia who failed to register with the attorney general and so essentially that means is they haven't charged with espionage and if you read the letter now the allegations are parroting spy like about it the sense of the government is conceding that even under their own theory if she'd fall the piece of paper with the attorney general's office at the beginning of her trip to america everything she did was legal and so my point is this is more
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a registration type crime than a crime and yet the media and the government some extent are treating it like an espionage crime. well i mean i think that that allegation was particularly damaging to maria because it makes it more like a spy novel and frankly easier for the public to digest and so editors and producers like those kind of allegations because it seems like this is more like the red sparrow now is an allegation that was set forth in a proffer by the government meaning they did not produce evidence to back up that allegation at the time we're still waiting to see that and we're not sure it exists or it exists in any meaningful form in the interim it's very hard to see your client kind of dragged through the mud like this which is why i've been trying to push back on that. south african comedian present for the daily show trevor no a shot to the top of america's t.v. . doesn't it based on the popularity of social media platforms and television it
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seems these go global appeal but to some people it's jokes that go beyond the pale . all women of every race can be beautiful and i know some of you're sitting there going over your but i've never seen a beautiful aborigine gay but you know what you say you say yes that's to say yes because you haven't seen all of the right plus it's not always about looks maybe aborigine women do special things like jump on top of huge black hole while the world of. africa but i don't want the world cup football what. i mean look i get it i get it they have to say it's the french team but look at those guys. you don't get that tear by hanging out in the south of france my friends. were.
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quite shocked to. see the dancing for the. how bad was the stands for that. but it wasn't it was the police this is the miners and they wanted money and it was a sad situation no one really knows what happened but everyone has an opinion i like this well that last jokes provoked a new wave of outrage on social media those premier says it was correct it's about the twenty twelve maracana massacre when police in south africa killed dozens of people during a miners' strike some on twitter slammed him for using such provocative humor to build his career you don't need a loss comedian jon o'donnell and legal analyst lionel and media analyst learned things should be boundaries in comedy. comedy today is being infiltrated with these croyde ian screw ups these demented twisted angry
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sexually backwater we're forty and nightmare these these these pair of files who think it's funny to shock and to say something and whatever they say we're supposed to accept the reality is once we start letting these kind of p.c. monsters come into place and having like you know people decide what is you know what is tolerable and what is good we do cross a mess that we do cross a dangerous line and if somebody does a comedian does want to of their own volition apologize for a bit i think that that is ok like he did apologize for this the bit about saying you know aboriginal people are attractive. it's to me everything is valid in terms of whether you call it humor or pekin commentary if you don't like it turn it off but a rule might be don't joke about something called dumb ass occur just saying i mean i don't know if there's any rules but i stay away from master curry humor
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let me tell you what bothers me in addition to this and i'm no real big fan of trevor noah and that doesn't mean anything you know read anything into that how many years ago were some of these jokes is there a statute of limitations number one do we just dredge up stuff that's number one and number two i don't mind or i do mind you should say when some people get away with things and some people don't who decides who gets away with what who gets to say you could say i know you could say it right that you're if you were but you can't that's what bothers me we have to go back to the maracana masacre in the way trevor joked about it let's again listen to a short clip. why didn't i use rubber burning so i didn't use i'd said yes because those things don't work anymore. these are the whole and they couldn't control people so that's come with ammunition for those guys that weapons plus i guess is a waste of time which strikes have ended because of to i guess when you have
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a little news that yeah it is a very disparate and you kind of say something like that and then kind of have this thing you know i wrote say this was this was five years ago and i was saying it's like how long do these our age police get to you know exist like what's the statute of limitation on saying something as comedians as creative people we're coming up with a lot of content we're throwing a lot of things out there sure if we say something that's you know that's really inflammatory and you know there can be a backlash and that's something that we have to we have to deal with right or wrong and let's also remember this is trevor no are ok about it so get crazy but if he did made there's jokes about palestinian riots or our prize ings with israeli soldiers all. no no no so there's no applicability to humor across the board it's all what's in and what's not black lives matter sacrosanct the massacre that that's what it all what's a word not oh yes edgy is there a point there that maybe bravery is being lost in company a little bit the easy
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targets are being deployed when it comes to the liberal vs conservative liberal. comics tend to you know go done the side of conservatives with the trouble ministration it's in sort of sort of easy for you know mainstream liberal comedians to you know go after the ministration of the republican party that's the kind of the wheel has a house where they feel you know comfortable i go a lot of these shows would probably be considerably you know would would be happy if there was a hillary clinton presidency but they would have less fodder to go after you know if your in the right group and the right person the sky's the limit if you're not republican trump supporter perceived to be right wing whatever you get no tolerance and no exercise of the free liberty of free speech that simple. no believe that for though a lot more to come is twelve seventeen here in moscow coming up as the u.s.
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looks to midterm elections facebook scraps it believes could impact the votes more robles bring all the details off the price. of the people in the u.s. . that. we were number one in this. all day it's clear in this all of this. massive growth that's. something you would not want that. politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to. have to go right to the press this is what before three of the more people.
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interested always in the waters about how. this should. i get some of those u.s. midterm elections on the horizon the specter of alleged russian meddling has reappeared facebook has removed a consequence which it believes being possibly used to influence the outcome of the vote next is similar con reports there is no evidence to point the finger at moscow . thirty two accounts were deleted to face the arms race presented by quote well funded adversaries with the apparent goal of amplifying already existing
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conspiratorial narratives the mainstream media it's playing not an ounce of creativity went on to blame the usual suspect brush and actors continue to try to disrupt meddle infiltrate the u.s. political debate if not the elections themselves well russia is interfering there continuing to interfere russia has been mentioned as the likely source of this interference in attempts russians and other nation states absolutely are attempting to manipulate us but on what basis the report didn't find russia or russian entities or russian linked entities responsible facebook reiterated several times that they were unable to identify the culprit and even admitted that they quote may never be able to identify the source we're still in the very early stages of our investigation and don't have all the facts including who may be behind this democratic house minority leader nancy pelosi even demanded that facebook brief congress on these critical developments which she took as confirmation of the intelligence community's russian interference claims the latest announcement
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confirms the longstanding findings of the u.s. intelligence community and national security experts that's russia is actively utilizing social media in a card you need to free to sow discord among the american people and undermine our democracy but who are those three to accounts influential enough to undermine american democracy in fact most of the spot of materials have zero to ten followers and in the scope of about fourteen months ran one hundred fifty ads for approximately eleven thousand dollars if someone is against the u.s. immigration policy which some of these anti ice accounts apparently were maybe they would like to see over identity maybe they're afraid of us authorities it's a strange thing are we allowed to be privately recorded in private without people assuming that somehow they're simply. unhand meddling in things it's very strange but the real question is what does it mean that someone is trying to sow divisions among americans are we not allowed to disagree with each other on fundamental
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issues like immigration and other things and i looked at some of the pages and some of them were sort of pro-feminist women shouldn't have to cook for their for their men i mean how is this supposed to is the russian effort to sort of visions americans have always disagreed that's the nature of society of a free society you disagree about the so these people i think the mentality is like north korea or something is very bizarre. seems the city of austin in the u.s. may have to rethink its name a report from the city's equity office raise the issue that that texas state capital was named after a supporter of slavery and i suppose sensitive issue for a city that is considered one of the most liberal in the whole country.
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so a bit more about what's going on here austin's equity office for a view to fight all the city's property on whether or not it had any ties to the confederacy and they came up with a whole list apparently of street names or monuments that should be changed all removed all virgo that being said as you can see it's got medium priority to change the city's name so it's not likely to happen anytime soon and more about this controversy what's happening here well it's all down to this guy steven austin he was the father of texas he was secretary of state for the republic of the nineteenth century but he was a prominent slavery and even infamously once said if slaves were emancipated they
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turned into a menace he had slaves apparently domestic servants as well but back to today naming the city for the state fodder is simply common sense though says media relations consultant and local resident john griffin. we've got this push in texas to try to you know be careful not to withstand anybody but texas is offensive because liberty's offensive but the fact that texas is named that its capital city is named for the person that started the colony in texas that became the state that's common sense the city council here in austin has made a few a few very bad decisions like banning it so the city council would rather waste taxpayer money on frivolous ideas like this then actually doing real work. a little bit of good news out of a lot of bad coming up next the russian climbers been rescued alive just after
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spending nearly a week stranded on a mountain in pakistan he survived without food for several days while enjoying treacherous weather conditions. thank you for help move. how are you feeling nerves. work better of in the morning. the morning you. mean. you are going back to a month or more than. one. month then.
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you know what those guys must to go through their looks so beautiful that weather can turn in a minute can it come it will at least alexander got away just about some good joke the guys that rescued it well that's it so far it's coming up to midday twenty seven moscow time my name's kevin i would think so watching out international on you so much more we don't have time to tell you about it all t. the gong i get a mobile device to. i'm
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going with a post some of this was a. this has been the. last time we chased. each one of them carrying twenty kilos of drugs to this first offense. that they just stepped right through. is that they it through i mean. they they have this is. this is for me. isn't it. i don't know don't they don't make or. break right. now well.
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you know world of big part of the lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks.
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hello and welcome to crossfire were all things considered peter lavelle on this edition of crossfire we consider one question is donald trump america first policy in contradiction to the washington consensus idea of american exceptionalism the answer to this question will likely define trump's presidency and change the world in the process. cross talking american exceptionalism i'm joined by my guest michael flanagan in washington he's president of flanagan consulting and a former congressman in charlottesville we have david swanson he is the director of world beyond war dot org and in northwood we cross to introduce problem our he is
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a professor of international politics at city university london all right gentlemen crossed the rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated let me go to david first because he's written a book on the topic titled curing exceptionalism ok we have about a year and a half of this presidency i'm getting a pretty good idea what america first means in the mind of donald trump and i know very well what american exceptionalism is and i'm not a big proponent of it. are is donald trump incompatible with his american first policies with washington's insistence. and digging their heels in very deep that american exceptionalism must be maintained go ahead david in charlottesville. i guess the short answer is no i don't see it i look at what donald trump does in terms of foreign policy in terms of continuing. u.s. imperialism and he is dropping more bombs he is building more bases he is getting
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more military spending out of congress demanding more military spending out of europe shipping weapons to more places including ukraine continuing to insist on the us right to do what it wants in places like ukraine and nicaragua and around the world he's not switching policies allowing the people of afghanistan or nicaragua or anywhere else to decide their own fate i mean the changes are all rhetorical and and in terms of mannerisms and style people in. people abroad outside the united states who see him as radically different because he blurts out things he doesn't act on like nato is obsolete seems to me as superficial as people within the united states who say the people the vote in crimea to rejoin russia was the big threat to peace and stability in the rule of law of the past centuries. looking at actions rather than at.
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ment's i don't see it continuing us policy but the good points made there michael nonetheless we we have the reaction of where you are this the epicenter of the swamp they see trump is being very much a threat to the outlook that has been cultivated and enforced i would point out since the end of the second world war particularly since the end of the cold war so i mean michael is right on all these points here but that's not how the people that we used to run the show see it that way and they're pushing back against them in very very severe very peculiar ways and in using the media to push against him go ahead michael. i think the swamp has a collectivist view definitely denies american exceptionalism writ small and that
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is america has the best workers in the world and we have an exceptional view of our future and we are we view ourselves as as the shining light of the world and then you have experiment exceptionalism writ large which as a matter of foreign policy means that we'll run the world. the i think writ small trump is a huge champion of that written large i think your other guest is correct he's he's not he's not a big champion of america around the world in the sense that we will make foreign policy for the world but we will behave any way we need to to protect our security and that that is often irrespective of what nicaragua wants or what what anybody else wants and i think trump is definitely a proponent of that the swamp would rather have us collectively sit with the european powers basically europe almost exclusively and and discuss what we need to do around the world while we pay the freight and they make the decisions and i think trump is trying to bring an end to that by threatening nato not as an
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institution like eisenhower did by the way and his presidency but to say that it's not an organization that we're going to support exclusively and move on forward with interchange you know combined of what we just heard from michael and david so america first in american exceptionalism to find the worst possible elements of both and there being can bind that's what i've gotten from this conversation so far go ahead and norwood north went i don't think i would violently disagree with. you just. i think american exceptionalism is a difficult kind of not. and that's not sleaze i'm a touch to it a great sense of the uniqueness and superiority to a large degree it's also my place behind certain kinds of the news and. where president trump probably it differs from his previous esas president obama and george w. bush as well is that in a way he's he's rejected the rhetoric of values of democracy or human rights and
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promoting those kind of liberal bias in favor of the kid up so i would say that that's the principal difference between those two there is also a strategic disagreement as well and i think that largely is around. the relationship that the united states or president trump is building with russia and the bigger geopolitical picture i think which he has in his mind possibly by and reconsider the home secretary of state about some kind of a possible russian chinese splits and i think there's a big disagreement about that but that's a strategic question if you will grow or the united states continues to exert its up but i think the rhetoric around values i think president trump doesn't have any time he's much more about asserting or are out of the dollar or
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of the trade of market access and of the american military ok well david i mean it i guess in a way trump is probably more honest than his predecessors because he doesn't talk about democracy promotion as you know but that it's always been a cover and i think only people in the swamp actually believe in that rhetoric anymore forcefully bringing democracy to the world i don't see where it works no one's ever empirically proven it to me but but so really it's the same thing it's american exceptionalism with the just a different rhetoric i guess you know that makes a lot of sense go ahead david. that's exactly right the rhetoric has changed a lot more than the substance of the disagreement between the make america great again people and the america already has great people is not around the need for the united states to have double standards and a set of laws only for itself and superiority of the rest of the world that is universally agreed upon in washington the disagreements around rhetoric around
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domestic policies and around russia and the demand from the from the democrats i wouldn't dignify it by calling it strategic it's more trying to explain hillary clinton's loss and hating anything trump does so if he threatens north korea that's crazy if he fails to threaten russia that's crazy you know that the disagreement is is around this this mythical story of evil deeds of russia and that there gargantuan significance in the in the context of the good us law abiding behavior and their you know you can give trump credit for refusing to bow to the russian gators otherwise i give him very little credit for anything. as he continues disastrous policies that are taking this country and the rest of the world over a cliff you know again. the rhetoric is is certainly different and some of the actions are too i mean i don't think any of us really took seriously that there
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would be a meeting with kim so soon nothing much came of it and now he wants to meet with the iranian leader a days before in capital letters on twitter threatening it i mean michael how do you explain that or is that just expediency the mid terms it's the here and now and worry about the implications later because i mean from the on the outside looking in this is very confusing and we're supposed to be experts to be able to figure this stuff out go ahead michael. i think one of the hallmarks of trump's foreign policy is that it's trump it's not a collective view of the state department with way and this from d o d and other places and intelligence it's trump it's and he's proven to be fairly adept at it so far however you may may or may not like the outcomes he's gotten in with korea he's reworked trade agreements in europe and elsewhere some of it has been to our total benefit some of it has been conciliatory benefit. we enjoy
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a relationship with china we haven't had and maybe ever. i don't know that what he's doing is confusing bad evil wrong or fattening but what i do know is that it's in his head and it's been working with us far. talking diplomatic level and so i'm not prepared to throw it over just because i don't understand no no you know i get on with that which i don't understand i can't i get your point maybe i get your point i mean in the way he sees the world here and his base and i think it may go back to northwood here it seems to me. even a year a year and a half in the dawn of time doesn't have a lot of interest in foreign policy he's made a group of promises on the stump and he's committed to realizing each one of them i've never seen it a president so adamant going through his checklist ok is it really he is an idea of american exceptionalism american for us is it really does domestic politics
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driving it for him. so i think you're right i mean there is a very very great interest in domestic politics and he has made a whole lot of promises and as you say i think the first thing the sea bannan did when the edge of the white house that is it either was to put up a white board or the whole of the myth of the promises made and i'll start ticking them off but i think the the foreign policy perspective the president trump has is one of increasing american power and they extract inger's much of value economically commercially financially and so on from allies associated powers and on enemies and i think all that is down to his long term idea that america has been ripped off and i think if you look at the mystic politics then the kind of people you defined as poor americans. basically selling them same message that you have been ripped off white american men in particular by women by minorities blaming.

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