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latest details on those and other stories up next though sophie and co talks to a survivor about the threat nuclear weapons still pose to fix the world. welcome to sophie and kill him sophie shevardnadze the wall has looked its destruction in the eyes seventy three years ago when american nuclear bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki today can humanity count to gather and prevent the catastrophe from ever happening again i ask nuclear weapons disarmament activists hiroshima bombing survivor. one bomb one blast and the whole city's leveled inside. living fire and radiation in its wake the

tonic bombing of hiroshima in one nine hundred forty five still serves as a reminder of the horrors of war especially when coming from the survivors of the explosion what was it like to live through a nuclear attack can the stories of eyewitnesses change the way we see nuclear weapons today and will humanity ever get of them. said scott thurlow survivor of the nuclear bombing of hiroshima welcome it's really great to have you with us. you where in hiroshima in august of forty five one thousand nuclear bomb was dropped on the city when now we know that a nuclear bomb kills not only at the moment of explosion but for many years after you weren't from our from epicenter of the explosion were you exposed to radiation

did it make itself known later anybody in the city or exposed to yet and contaminated and a different degree. of seriousness some people were killed the mediately some people survived but they started developing symptoms like loss of. internal bleeding bleeding from the gum. those things practically all the people who were in the city all who enter the said it to . the dying people what they too became contaminated so all the common symptoms for some time yet i lost my. bleeding internal bleeding bleeding from the.

those things i rant that someone pointed you out of the burning building and you crawled out what happened then how did you find your family that's correct how many of them survived how did you find your family well the next day of the seventh in the morning hundreds of people thousand the people were just sitting. nearby hills and we hardly slept or we just kept watching the entire city burn on night and then in the morning the japanese soldier came around the wood the megaphone and said is there such cannot come or is this just cannot come i said the here i am where your parents are here to look for you and now are surprised. i saw my parents and i learned what happened to them my

father left town early that morning on the sixth of august he was out in the boat fishing boat. at the inland sea he loved deficient and that was his they asked and suddenly he heard something and he started the mushroom cloud rising he knew something terrible happened so he came but. my mother was doing the dishes after the first and she too was buried under the collapse a building she has to be up and she was helped and was able to escape to the outside of the city. and how they came together i don't know but

they told me my married sister and a four year old child. who all had been evacuated. moved out of the city of hiroshima in order to protect themselves from air raid but they came home the night before to visit us so they were that morning they were on their way to the hospital or they are walking over the bridge the mother and the four year old child and they had no chance and. by the time i saw them that morning they were just blackened and swallow. you just couldn't recognise them they were simply blackened melted chunk of

flesh they survived above for days they kept begging for water but there was. there would no medical or doctors or nurses no food or we could give was some water. how many in my very close family eight of them. perished my sister in law or the high school teacher she was in the center of the city supervising several thousand about seven or eight thousand students who were mobilized to do that task for me in the city to establish the fire lane. a saw they were doing the

physical labor in the evil not the eight o'clock. of the sex it was so hot many boys just took off their shirts in just a bare skin and then that a nation took place in late above them about. five six. hundred meter bob them and they're the ones who simply vaporize. or carbonized from my school three hundred twenty one girls simply disappeared serco what where days months after the bombing like how did you survive in that burnt out city did you even know what had happened i mean it was the first time that something like that ever took place well

i thought americans found it finally caught out because they had being air raiding most of the city especially since march the first one hundred forty five so we hear osama people in the city were beginning to feel very anxious hiroshima was supposed to be about tenth largest city in japan that that time but even smaller city had been bombed you know most of the cities have been bombed how come we haven't been at that every day in every night between nine fly around but they haven't dropped any bomb. little did we know that the americans had already like the heroes as a target for the new type of bombs which the already

had their american government's position has been that bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki where needed to save american soldiers' lives from being lost in a potential war on the ground how do you feel when you hear that does this exploration sound logical tear that american myths just a myth because japan had being exhausted by that time japan was finished by the time i can verify that we will talk to at least twelve at home and the soldiers at the pacific or any other battlefield they didn't have food they didn't have munitions and we will finish the war in the end the japanese would have considering. our end up. there are many

historical evidence that the use of nuclear weapons was not necessary. most of historian knowledge that. i rad that you sat somewhere that us occupation forces brought you a sense of relief and liberation from the oppression of japan's militaristic government but i mean those were the people who like you were describing so vividly brought total destruction to your sit is killed hundreds of thousands of people i mean eight people from your immediate family died do not connect the u.s. soldiers with the atom bomb was there any hatred a new two words to americans or you were grateful they have brought the end of the war with them adult time i would say most of the people in hiroshima who experienced the atomic bombing we were in numbed the

condition the all the experiences a lot of stimuli saw must've than group test and. that our psyche would not accept that and that meant the seizure of emotion we were not despondent to all the horrible scenes in sight if we despondent normally we would not have survived. so that this i think people's emotional dis bones too many thing to which you are happening around us at the same woods not out south and the normal and paul fall you would expect you'd still you theft wouldn't need you membered this very point we have to take a short break right now. just

a short break ok but while we're back we'll continue talking was star low here were shima bombing survivor nuclear disarmament campaign are discussing the nuclear danger today stay with sophie and co. zia's says harlan kentucky. the place you could very easily lose.

a co money city with the snow cone mines left. the jobs are gone all the coal miners the said i'd. love to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's happening it's happened. in a world of big partisan lot and conspiracies it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the

troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. back was it sicko thurlow here were shima bombing survivor a nuclear disarmament campaign or talking about those dark days in the one nine hundred forty five and what should be done to never let a tragedy like this happen again. i know that they us occupational forces also impose their sort of oppression. on the bombing survivors

what was it like let me give you a couple of examples. united states established its decision called the a.b.c. atomic bomb commission and people are very happy we're finally we get some kind of medication some medical experts who know what this is about would help a japanese doctors who are at a loss but that's so purpose of a b c c wads to study the effect of radiation on human bodies nothing else not to help the sick people but the radiation and. them the survivors felt the

they were being used as a guinea pigs twice first time as it can get secondly. subject for research you can imagine the. occupation forces did not want the media newspapers. and to write anything which could be seen as disturbed one thing ages to the occupation forces and if the newspaper write something about the destruction and especially human suffering in another thirty that was a very that was considered to be disadvantageous this have to stop so they censored and they forced some newspaper companies to close the shop.

that's not exactly democratic thing to do and then vive us. wrote that they had the correspondence and some people wrote the high cool you know japanese literary form when they have pain in their heart they have to express that my writing haiku in song they have photographs. is a medical information all these things were confiscated and thirty two thousand items in all there were or shipped back to the united states because the scientific. triumph of the united states by producing atomic moms was ok in the world to come find out but what human suffering. caused in those cities

that was not to be found out by the world that was the reason why so i want to talk a little about them american reaction to war happened. seventy three years ago now president obama was the first american president to come to hiroshima in two thousand and sixteen he delivered a very emotional speech very emotional but never sat sorry for america's decision to drop the bomb i know the american public went nuts over the suggestion that he could apologize when the pundits relentlessly mocking that idea. so my question is any your opinion why is it so hard for americans why why do americans are so uneasy about owning up to the hiroshima and nagasaki

bombings. i suppose. even today seventy three years later. they must believe what they did was justifiable was to be justified. to end the war quickly and to rescue american g.i.'s lives and that was ok i think that mentality is still continues unfortunately not thinking people are though i think many americans woke up it was such. atrocity unacceptable immoral or illegal at united states. took and many americans sorry about that

but as a state the other nation i guess they're too proud to apologize i know apology was a very contentious controversial issue. i feel if he offered it we should have accepted that we deserved the sept up but he chose not to and he couldn't have i suppose because of the political in the states especially during the presidential election time. but it's not totally. inappropriate. if he did. the apology. you know in the war everybody did a horrible thing. against international law

international humanitarian law germans the british the us the japanese did. that. i know not cases when most cases nations do apologize jan germans made sure they lived their life out of world war two was one big apology british people paula just many times as well and remember both germany and japan who tried. tribunals yes then the japanese military leaders i think six or seven of them or hung. on what happened in your room and so loses. the tried but the victors no matter what they have done not to be tried it's

a very unfair world. understood that even as of. now the manner itself hiroshima and nagasaki have been kept alive thanks to people like you and governments remember those lessons as well there has not been a central combat use of a nuclear bomb since forty five now to me it seems that humanity has learned its lesson has sin enough to not ever use nukes again do you have less face in humanity than i do. less faith yes no i do i do have faith in the yes they are going to find i mean if they don't have it now they will certainly i have faith in humanity this humanity must continue to live and this civilization must be preserved i think it's

ridiculous some goofy people threatening each other and threatening by saying their bombs are bigger than others and we have more of them imagine such a child this impulsive statements are being exchanged by those anyway it's hard to believe those things are still happening but i think people. really learning and more than anything i am great for thousands of one hundred eighty millions of people around the world that came to realize we just can't leave it to the government alone and n.g.o.s and one hundred twenty two nations signed at the united

nations to adopt the the treaty. to prohibit the nuclear weapon i have heard you in many other interests say over and over again that this anti and nuclear activism work you're doing this so that the death of your loved ones will now be in vain do you really have to make amends for what happened in forty five and it wasn't your fault you didn't drop the bomb. the blast is not your fault why do you feel that you are responsible in some way why do you burden yourself where that why i'm responsible for this look i experienced that witnessed the massive death and destruction anybody with the conscience moral sense you can just demand silent about the or

something is wrong somebody did it somebody created such destruction and must serve this of humanity entire city just disappeared with one bomb but. when we learn that was caused by human beings. then we have to stand up and stop that kind of behavior by the human being who is responsible united states to this monster ball they have never said sorry about that unfortunately more importantly to make sure something like that should never happen again to any woman beings

to us that is a higher priority we have to stop at our cost and this is why we have been. speaking out about our pain painful past experience the past seventy decades believe me it's not easy each time i talk about it my i try to embrace but still i don't see it pains me but i keep doing it because there is no other way i can live this is my moral imperative. guess that would be my answer to your cynical saying to you so much for being with us tonight i have no words actually to express my gratitude. thank you for cher i wish i could and more i hear you. well this is the first time i

speak to russian people well i promise you we're going to have another lengthy interview in the mirror so i promise you that much oh i i hope so i really want the russian people to think about life and death it's the life. every citizen i'm concerned not the national security international security and you know all these minute thirty juggins yes it's important for us to know such things but the most important thing is to remember your money that's the most important thing i hope your message gets across and people will hear it and understand it and take it close to heart thank you so much. for talking to circuses arlo hiroshima bombing survivor and

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