hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle is the corporate mainstream media fuel america's cultural wars do they magnify political differences it would seem so how else could it be if the only topic that is discussed and argued over is donald trump or journalist infected with trump arrangement syndrome. cross talking trumped arrangement syndrome i'm joined by my guest rob talban new york he's a political pundit and journalist contributing to the huffington post also in new york we have lionel he's a legal analyst and a news decoder at lionel media dot com and in plymouth we cross to patrick endings

and he is a journalist and writer and founder of the news website twenty first century wire dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rolls in effect means you can jump in anytime you want lionel let me go to you you're also referred to on this program as fella my first question is here does the do the corporate mainstream you remember that program did that do they do the corporate mainstream media. do they contribute to the cultural wars as it is divided and is everything is contentious as it really is or are they dismiss it for their own political purposes go ahead lionel yes no yes no and sometimes the corporate first of all correction my dear friend it is not the mainstream media used to be that mainstream media used to be mainstream they're not this is the mainstream media social media different platforms that's mainstream they are end. and existential fight for their life so within that particular

parameters of their working environment yes they mix it up and people describe the does the rest of the country mainstream heartland mainstream america care oh there you go so ok but ok but rob i mean i get we all can't lionel's point but they still think of themselves as the mainstream and representing. the population what they really do is represent power particularly on the left i would say but i want to stay with this magnification here because if you look if you watch c n n n m s n b c and then you watch fox on the same evening you'd think you'd be in parallel universes i mean you really would have a sense that both are in some kind of never never land and having nothing to do with the world outside go ahead rob i was one of the token liberals on fox and at one point i think i made over two hundred. ten appearances on there over the course

of a couple of years. there they were pursuing back then i think more of a fair and balanced attitude but now well i was always like the washington generals the team that never beaten the harlem globetrotters you know i was going in the know that five other people were going to beat up on me but i was allowed to voice my opinion i don't really get that sense anymore i sense that the people that they pick to to give a liberal perspective are speaking of outrageous claims and comments and policies and they're taking an extreme so they can say look at this kooky liberal he is just like bernie sanders but but we also have a divisive president who has really that acrimony throughout the country and we have politicians on both sides that are taking more extreme points of view and you're going to have news shows and stations that are. going to be representative

of those those policies and beliefs and then those that those bases are going to go and watch those particular stations and channels ok lionel doesn't agree but i'm going to go to patrick first here i mean rob brings up a really good point i mean donald trump by any any measure is a very contentious president i mean i i watch all of his towel his stadium appearances i mean he goes out there ok and his base likes it ok but he does give the mainstream that the liberal mainstream media or this c.n.n. and some b. c. the people like that he gives them a lot of cannon fodder to walk to work with patrick you know i think earlier your point it's essential crisis that the mainstream media is going through it's not just in an existential crisis it's a financial crisis so what you have now is they've been forced to basically run click bait and if you talk about broadcast television it's one crisis after another

or one sort of trump derangement crisis after another with the print with the washington post i get the delia alerts every day and michael cohen said this michael cohen said that steve benen is gardner heard him you know whatever singing russian in the shower so this is the daily sort of fodder because they can't they have to attract the audiences they have to get the clicks the very thing they accuse the independent media with the very thing they decry on social media they themselves are the worst offenders now so they need a crisis this is the sort of recurring theme with the mainstream media ok it's actually always been like that for many years you need a crisis if it's not political to be the way of a good but patrick going to let me go to lionel but i get what you're saying but what about a real crisis because. sensibility stormy daniels isn't a crisis for me i could care less ok a creepy porn lawyer i could care less it's in one ear out the other and i don't those are minutes of my life they will. never get back that's why i don't watch

those stations here lionel you were disagreeing at some point go ahead jump in to my dear friend the intellectually sapient mr taube i disagree in one respect when roger ailes die fox news as we knew it died absolutely die next with a d.c. fox merger disney rather excuse me fox merger even though they swear that the news division is different you are seeing a watered down and the dying saccharin version of what was once fox at its and you can argue about this best and the like with all due respect also my dear friend peter what you like has nothing to do with what these people are interested in this is a twenty four seven runaway train that you want to be run away you have to keep feeding the boiler and you are pouring everything into it you have a newsroom with twenty something i'm sorry to say per d.m. folks who i have no journalistic ability know no experience of any kind of t.v.

or whatever they're just there to click and just feed ok. but now you know there's no room for correction it will be different in that room but the point is here is this dividing the country i mean i understand how it's made and why it's made and i understand the bottom line here but it is is dividing the country i mean jim acosta i mean what it describes to journalism ok i mean and they probably think he's doing a great job rob if you were nodding your head go ahead he's not he's not defied ok go ahead go ahead rob jim acosta is not dividing that i'm sorry i'm sorry. go ahead rob lionel consider this ok i'm going to start at the top with our esteemed president donald j. trump when you have a white house press pool they usually normally interact with the white house communications director who for quite a while was hopes hope picks the way used to run and not i was. your trainer

president obama only voted for him once jen psaki who is a communications director disseminate that information to her columns team the columns team then interacted with various people in the press pool and disseminate information to them so they could write about it i don't think that's ever been done under trump so you have presently people that sit around twiddling their thumbs sitting and fuming going what am i going to do what am i going to write about i think i'll say that trump is a jerk and that he's disorganized and he doesn't do anything or read because that's what's going on that doesn't need it comes to me has twitter ok that's what's happened here let me go to patrick because you know we've got a problem i think it has got going on line hand you know we've gone back and forth on this program with all of us all of us here about twitter and and it's got those pluses and minuses here but again the traditional mainstream media line oh ok this is where it creates an opening for them is well ok so you know these different

strategies they have their pluses and minuses patrick go ahead and claim it. yeah i think you're kind of talking about two different things here but let's talk about social media for a minute because these are some of the you know same corporations that are now overlapping with broadcast media and with mainstream print and they're also working hand in hand with the first draft coalition all these sort of concepts to police fake news and so forth they're they're ideological you know in the united states and you know their ideological dependence is really on the state you know and i think this is the mainstream media's problem as well they need access to the state they need access to power they also need access to corporate for ties and money and hence they become a tool of government where they become a tool of corporate propaganda the same goes for the silicon valley facebook might be democratic progressive in the united states but believe me they're absolutely colorblind internationally because they need. access to all these markets so so i

guess we're talking about media i think we can open up the conversation now a little bit more but but in terms of the united states unfortunately even if as your previous guest said they're going to be briefed by the white house team i think they would throw that briefing in the waste bin if they received it before from the you know the press pool received under this administration because they're hell for leather really just bent on you know having this president impeached yeah well that's and let me go to lionel before we go to the break here i mean you know i see ideological possession i mean it's demonic ok on ambition on c.n.n. and and the same b.c. i mean it's you know it's the point of being irrational it's not even fun to watch anymore i used to poke fun at you know brian stelter i mean the stupidest guy on t.v. but at the even now that's not funny forty seconds before we go to the break first of all i love you to death i give you a kidney not mine but somebody else's if you needed it and i got it he wanted there

are two things my friend amber why you're living in the past and you're living in the past you're talking about why the house new polls what they say is this is grandpa wake up an ever tell you hate trial if you can't get past it ok well you know going to clean you're going to get here you're going to say an example of of ideological possession you know. kind of created a lot of it was called me here's one summer of two years older than me. twenty seconds lionel keep going. but it's true businesses know twitter is love they told us they are with the fireside chat you can't talk on the radio the presidential need i say more we've got to wake up and smell the coffee kids it's a new day ok i'm going to jump in here guys we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trumped arrangement syndrome state with arctic.

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welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter we're discussing trump derangement syndrome. ok i want to go bad. in new york and i want to ask you all the same question a hypothetical rob hypothetical situation. in the kremlin. media ops they get together and they start attacking donald trump how long will it take this for c.n.n. and this n.b.c. to join in all of sudden while vladimir is on our side now ok i'm asking this seriously ok go ahead what kind of a tag is this going to be your foot soldiers marching marching up our shores or is now i know that all right no no no no not no no i'm media taxing he's not a reliable partner we can't work with him we can't work with him ok ok that's what

i'm getting at ok and i and i'm sure the left would be all over it in a heartbeat keep going rob no i don't think that's going to happen no think they're going to say see how how fickle they are now they've got her against donald trump and this is a. hypothetical hypothetical well i don't. brian stelter is not even going to put up for that as long as there is a story there or we're going to milk it ok pat i just i think you guys are grasping at straws here no no no i'm trying to make a point here and i it's a valid point i think is well all right i'll come on line i'll have a little bit of fun you know you're acting like you know what was his name bob you're acting like you're acting senator dole right now get off the grass ok time pastor i can see that he's actually going to go it is hard patrick patrick again what i'm just saying is that anything i know no matter how bizarre and how you know

out of the park it is they will pick up on this ok because they have picked up on every single else real false imagined and run with it like fools they would do it again patrick. russia versus trump does that hypothetical peter liberals love doing hypotheticals by the way. i'm just going to say yes peter one hundred percent really one hundred percent they would open up a shrine to vladimir putin outside cnn's offices in atlanta they would start rachel maddow would go to saudi and start doing fluff videos about what a great holiday destination it is that's what would happen because media. is colorblind the sense don't go to where the political with the political power is so you know i don't think i don't think i think they would pivot it would definitely put it well they want to get rid of trump and i think that's right of trying right enemy of my enemy that friend that is exactly right that's what i'm getting at here

all right lionel pretty please come out of your hole now and you can answer the question my friend. he's been so can reveal to you i know i know and you think he's in a good you know he's in a good mood today ok keep going on where you take a happy pill though you're a genius first of all you confound poor talib with their hypothetical you mean it's not what's a hypothetical right listen while you're doing is terrific what you're saying i don't have any of that have you already has that on the list. well that's that's really all you've heard this is ever heard his cross-eyed is crossed off and saurus edition go ahead line right here that's where the policy level ground war there were sorts of sorrows but i digress come on please you're what you're by your erosion of my time and let's assume this so that i'm reporting tomorrow comes out let's say worse than that leavelle let's say he places facebook ads now imagine something that shows eight to say something negative against something now most

people would say the left is the prototypical fascist corporate left would say wait a minute how can we agree with them now when we did the like of a week ago the enemy of my enemy is my friend are we going to be that craven that that that venal i go along with him or you must or you know he's lying only it makes her do what time i hear again me it makes perfect sense because liberals used to believe in civil liberties two years ago they don't anymore oh man of ford ok i mean for tax evasion the average person convicted of tax evasion go to jail for a year now paul minor party faces three hundred years ok what happened to the liberals ok but you still believe in civil liberties they gave him and i. oh i got an ostrich coat i think i guess i haue it a aggy i'm going to tell you i hide it out of the guy the explanation line and it's very easy there ideologically possessed they've lost their marbles rob give me

a hypothetical peter value of rachel maddow went to went to so she died mysteriously in some kind of viking accident that's what would happen if they don't disappear her oh yeah i just don't see it as a viable thing. you know but a lot of really wouldn't be unhappy about it. rachel maddow would sort of say i love it and i did a lot of that it was like talking to these are badgering you with your analogy back it up ok i get a bad trick she could do a cameo in a pussy riot video of me doing some cos that's are showing up and telling you know it but over it no pornography no pornography solver you know and i don't know what's going on that one is peter the point is you're right ten or twenty years ago they would have rallied around the president in that scenario but we we are not in that time anymore now there is a kind of a political ideological obsession a fetish if you will and

a total derangement to get as rid of this president so what might have been true twenty years ago is not have wouldn't happen now in that sense yeah the media is completely out of it's out of its tree in that sense but i think the point is as well that you're not going to get any political objectivity from this mainstream media and in a sense they're going to hand donald trump reelection in two thousand and twenty if they continue down this road i think it's wishful thinking that they'll be able to personally that they'll be able to impeach the president if they win the midterms but the media is just going absolutely nuts in the run up to the midterms with with all these are going to ramp it up and it's just going to go a nice way and unfortunately it's kept this gate nonsense going here go ahead lionel peter let me assume argue i know that i was going to ask you a hypothetical question or a rhetorical question what stops face now but do you think these democratic folks

recognize that if for some reason under the rules if trump is removed mike pence is the president do you think that they're going to do verily ok but you never even fly a lot of hair and absolutely are successful you're absolutely right but this again kind of confirms i guess what most of us are saying here and most viewers that are watching this program they don't think the. things through very well do they ok i mean that's why it's called trying to wrangle that senator bob was because well no i mean i do think mike my pants wouldn't bother me and i get it ok please do well first of all i'm going i'm going to kind of side with this with patrick and lionel here. the liberals have over promised and under delivered and then promising and preachment they've been promising the end of trump every day and people are

tiring of it. and it's beginning to make them look a little ludicrous where where is this impeachment where is this end of trump you've been telling me about for months and i see it more than anywhere remarkably on facebook with different journalists i know who shall go on name their one of the most rights q of the jaws theme all of it killing the jaws of them so much the the cello guy's fingers are probably broken by now and it's just not it whether it deserves to have going to or not it's not happening soon it hasn't happened and they've shot themselves in the foot in that regard you know so i don't know is this in agreement with lionel and i think i well yeah i think we're in broad agreement here with patrick the thing is though in the time from the campaign to inauguration to the president going to agree with rabin i mean they've always looked for the end of something the end of the end of this administration you know impeachment but because they are so focused on that they haven't thought about anything else to run

on and so they're going to run on hating trump and if you look at the public opinion polls i mean what is it eighty eight percent eighty to eighty eight percent of republicans are staying with the president you know after you know ninety eight percent of the airwaves a barrage against one man i've never seen it in my life i mean it's all about one man all of the time it's really exhausting because i like you i'm a policy guy the rest of it is kind of like tinder to entertainment ok go ahead patrick you know the problem is while they're going crazy trying to come up with the latest sort of gotcha for donald trump and there's like one there's multiples story lines every day that are being invented along those lines while they're doing all that the world's turning the world is moving on the united states has business to do is a country. and i'll extend this i think the mainstream media are going beyond partisanship and sort of the democrat party and sort of the never trumpet for that matter they're undermining of the actual business of the united states i can't

imagine more of an unpatriotic thing they might think that they're saving the world from a russian invasion or something like this but the fact the matter is they're undermining the u.s. credibility internationally they're keeping the u.s. from from doing its business internationally and on a diplomatic level and also on and other levels internationally in international relations so that's the real damage that i think i think i'd like you said peter you said the beginning to show that domestic politics is shaping international politics and they used to not be the way it is now and that's really dangerous you know line and it's getting censured of what patrick was saying there is that this whole obsession here it's destroying the institution of journalism it's destroying the faith people have in the democratic process they and it's their faith in destroying their faith maybe even in the democratic party rob i'd like to have you back on and talk about that you know this you know the bernie side of it the this a young woman from this alexandro. has i mean you know this is

a direction here the donors are terrified palosi is terrified schumer is terrified . and it's all because this is an obsession with ending the political career of a man that was duly elected go finish up on the program finish up go ahead lionel. peter let me just remind everybody do you remember in recent history any president at his or her well his rally that was ever able to invoke and inspire this frothing frenetic excitement ever when you saw all these did you ever say yeah one was a smoother presidential and obama was this and that but this president has tapped into a sizable portion of this country that the a leader is fascistic corporate ted baxter sockpuppet media have never been able to compromise it's a different gate by the way journalism is dead all right and i don't got

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