created acrimony throughout the country and we have politicians on both sides that are taking more extreme points of view and you're going to have news shows and stations that are going to be representative of those those policies and beliefs and then those that those bases are going to go and watch those particular stations and channels ok lionel doesn't agree but i'm going to go to patrick first here i mean rob brings up a really good point i mean donald trump by any any measure is a very contentious president i mean i i watch all of his towel his stadium appearances i mean he goes out there ok and his base likes it ok but he does give the mainstream that the liberal mainstream media or this c.n.n. and some b. c. the people like that he gives them a lot of cannon fodder to want to work with patrick you know i think earlier your point it's essential crisis that the mainstream media is going through it's not just in an existential crisis it's

a financial crisis so what you have now is they've been forced to basically run click bait and if you talk about broadcast television it's one crisis after another or one sort of trump derangement crisis after another with the print with the washington post i get the delia alerts every day and michael cohen said this michael cohen said that steve benen is gardner heard him you know whatever singing russian in the shower so this is the daily sort of fodder because they can't they have to attract the audiences they have to get the clicks the very thing they accuse the independent media of the very thing they decry on social media they themselves are the worst offenders now so they need a crisis this is the sort of recurring theme with the mainstream media ok it's actually always been like that for many years you need a crisis if it's not political to be the way you have a good but patrick going to let me go to lionel but i get what you're saying but what about a real crisis because. sensibility does. stormy daniels isn't

a crisis for me i could care less ok a creepy porn lawyer i could care less it's in one ear out the other those are minutes of my life that he will never get back that's why i don't watch those stations here lionel you were disagreeing at some point go jump in to my dear friend the intellectually sapient mr cobb i disagree in one respect what roger ailes di fox news as we knew it died absolutely die next with a d.c. fox merger does the right thing to me fox merger even though they swear that the news division is different you are seeing a watered down and the dying saccharin version of what was once fox at its and you can argue about this best and the like with all due respect also my dear friend peter what you like has nothing to do with what these people are interested in this is a twenty four seven runaway train that you want to be run away you have to keep

feeding the boiler then you are pouring everything into it you have a newsroom with twenty something i'm sorry to say per d.m. folks who i have no journalistic ability know no experience of any kind of t.v. or whatever they're just there to click and just feed ok. but now you know there's no room for correction but if i could narrow but the point is here is this dividing the country i mean i understand how it's made and why it's made and i understand the bottom line here but is is dividing the country i mean jim acosta i mean what it describes journalism ok i mean and they probably think he's doing a great job rob you're nodding your head go ahead he's not he's not defied ok go ahead go ahead rob jim acosta is not dividing that i'm sorry i'm sorry it's all right go ahead rob lionel consider this ok i'm going to start at the top with our esteemed president donald j. trump when you have. of

a white house press pool they usually normally interact with the white house communications director who for quite a while was hopes his hope picks the way it used to run and i was not a huge fan of president obama only voted for him once jen psaki who was a communications director disseminate that information to her comms team the comms team then interacted with various people in the press pool and disseminate that information to them so they could write about it i don't think that's ever been done under trump so you have press people that sit around twiddling their thumbs sitting and fuming going what am i going to do what am i going to write about i think i'll say that trump is a jerk and that he's disorganized and he doesn't do anything that he read because that's what's going on that he needed comes to me has twitter hey that's my job to dinner let me go to patrick because you know we've got a. i think hang on hang on line him you know we've gone back and forth on this program with all of us all of us here about twitter and and it's got there's pluses

and minuses here but again the traditional mainstream media line oh ok this is where it creates an opening for them is well ok so you know these different strategies they have their pluses and minuses patrick go ahead and claim it. yeah i think you're kind of talking about two different things here but let's talk about social media for a minute because these are some of the you know same corporations that are now overlapping with broadcast media and with mainstream print and they're also working hand in hand with the first draft coalition all these sort of concepts to police fake news and so forth they're they're ideological you know in the united states and you know their ideological dependence is really on the state you know and i think this is the mainstream media's problem as well they need access to the state they need access to power they also need access to corporate money and hence they become a tool of government when they become

a tool of corporate propaganda the same goes for the silicon valley facebook might be a democratic progressive in the united states but believe me they're absolutely colorblind internationally because they need access to all these markets so so i guess we're talking about media i think we can open up the conversation now a little bit more but but in terms of the united states unfortunately even if as your previous guest said they're going to be briefed by the white house team i think they would throw that briefing in the waste bin if they received it before from the you know the press pool received under this administration because they're hell for leather really just bent on you know having this president impeached yeah well that's a lie let me go to lionel before we go to the break here i mean you know i see ideological possession i mean it's demonic ok on am based on c.n.n. an end and i say b.c. i mean it's it's the point of being irrational it's not even fun to watch anymore ice to poke fun at you know brian stelter i mean the stupidest guy on t.v.

but at the even now that's not funny forty seconds lionel before we go to the break . first of all i love you the dead i give you a kidney not mine but somebody else's if you needed it and i got it he wanted there are two things my friend i'm the one you have in the past you're living in the past you're talking about white house new pools when this is the same grandpa wake up and over till you hate trial it can't you can't get past it ok whole grain old girl you're going to get him you're going to say you know example of of ideological possession you know. finish peter a lot of those called me kids one summer two years older than me years. twenty seconds lionel keep going. but it's true business is no twitter is look they told f.d.r. with the fireside chat you can't talk on the radio the presidential need i say more

we've got to wake up and smell the coffee kids it's a new day ok i'm going to jump in here guys we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trumped arrangement syndrome stay with our to. someone else still seems wrong why don't we just don't call. me. yet to see palin just didn't come out today. and it gets me you close to trail. when something you find themselves pulls apart we just saw the common ground.

most of the people in the most. variants of that. we were. on this. all day period just all of this. master of the group that's. something you would soon.

welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing trump derangement syndrome. ok i want to go back to rob in new york and i want to ask you all the same question a hypothetical rob hypothetical situation blander me or putin in the kremlin. media ops they get together and they start attacking donald trump how long will it take this super c.n.n. and m.s.n. p.c. to join in all of sudden wow glad it was on our side now ok i'm asking this seriously ok go ahead what kind of attack is this going to be your foot soldiers marching marching up our shores or is it now know it all right no no no no no no no no i'm media taxing he's not a reliable partner we can't work with him we can't work with him ok ok that's what i'm getting at ok and i and i'm sure the left would be all over it in

a heartbeat keep going rob. no i don't think that's going to happen think they're going to say see how how fickle they are now they've got her against donald trump and this is a key component probably hypothetical hypothetical well i don't. brian stelter is not even got to put up for that as long as there is a story there or we're going to milk it ok pat i just i think you guys are grasping at straws here no no no i'm trying to make a point here and i it's a valid point i think is well all right i'll come on line i'll have a little bit of fun you know you're acting like you know what was his name you're acting like you're acting senator dole right now get off the grass oh ok time passed i could see that he had changed let me go to you as hard patrick patrick again what i'm just saying is that anything i know no matter how bizarre and how

you know out of the park it is they will pick up on this ok because they have picked up on every single else real false imagined and run with it like fools they would do it again patrick. russia versus trump does that hypothetical peter liberals love doing hypotheticals by the way. i'm just going to say yes peter one hundred percent really one hundred percent they would open up a shrine to vladimir putin outside cnn's offices in atlanta they would start rachel maddow would go to saudi and start doing fluff videos about what a great holiday destination it is that's what would happen because media. is colorblind the sense don't go to where the political with the political power is so you know i don't think i don't think i think they would pivot it would definitely pivot well they're going to get rid of trump and i think you're right of trying right enemy of my enemy that friend that is exactly right that's what i'm getting

at here all right lionel pretty please come out of your hole now and you can start to answer the question my friend. he's been so can reveal to you i know i know and you think he's a good you know he's in a good mood today ok keep going on where you take a happy pill evaluate genius first of all you confound poor talib with their hypothetical you mean it's not him what's a hypothetical right listen what you're doing is terrific what you're saying i don't have any of that have your ears that i know this really well that's that's really all you've heard this is ever heard his cross i just crossed on super saurus edition ok go ahead lie all right here's what the policy level ground war and other wars sorts of sorrows but i digress come on please you're what you're by erosion of my time now let's assume this so that i'm reporting tomorrow comes out and let's say worse than that leavelle let's say he places facebook ads now imagine something that shows eight to say something negative against scott now most people would say

the left is the prototypical fascist corporate left would say wait a minute how can we agree with them now when we did the like of a week ago the enemy of my enemy is my friend are we going to be that craven that that that venal i go along with him or you are you know he's lying only it makes her do what time i hear again me it makes perfect sense because liberals used to believe in civil liberties two years ago they don't get any more out of paul man or ford ok i mean for tax evasion the average person convicted of tax evasion go to jail for a year now paul minor party faces three hundred years ok what happened to the liberals ok but you still believe in the civil liberties they gave him and i. well i got an ostrich coat i think i guess i have a day i can tell you how you will hide it out of the guy the explanation line is very easy there ideologically possessed they have lost their marbles rob give me

a hypothetical peter value out of golf rachel maddow watches went to so she she would die mysteriously in some kind of viking accident that's what would happen if they disappear her oh yeah i just don't see it as a viable thing but you know what i call a lot of really wouldn't be all that happy about it rachel maddow and said ok i love it and i'd love it if that was the talk he started patrick but you with your analogy back it up ok i get a drink she could do a cameo in a pussy riot video of me doing some cos that's are showing up and down and down it but over no pornography no pornography sorry and i don't know what's going on that one is peter the point is your right to ten or twenty years ago they would have rallied around the president in the sonority oh but we we're not in that time anymore.