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an arms race. spearing dramatic developments only mostly i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be ready. to sit down and talk. we're back with former skinhead and author of my life after hate hour to mcallister saying white supremacy is a movement and how people get attracted to these diaby ology welcome back are know now there was a poll conducted by the military times which sestak won for

a serving us military personnel have seen white supremacy with their wings and consider it more dangerous to an islamic state is there a new nasa demick in the army. to my knowledge i believe it's certainly some of them that the military needs of paid more attention to in milwaukee work with a gentleman named party police party father was murdered by a white power skinhead who is part of the gang that i'd helped to start along with five other people on august fifth two thousand and twelve the murderer whose name was wade page was radicalized in the united states army so he went into the army nonaffiliated average white guy he came out in affiliated white supremacist and that led to his practice of hate and violence for over ten years that ultimately ended in a mass murder hate crime so i think the military needs to be accountable for that

in many ways i work with a ton of brilliant middle military people who point out all the time that you invited suits military is one of the most multicultural organizations on earth and i believe that's true but i think that there is still space within the military for white supremacist ideology and organizations to do purchase and that that is certainly a huge concern that needs to be addressed so i was going through another survey by national public radio and did you ever know that five fifty five percent of white people in america think that whites face racial prejudice i mean you have lost your temper with people of different skin color but have you ever felt racial prejudice yourself towards you. i think what we're seeing in the united states with like the survey that you cited is that as demographic changes the world

changes changes an inevitable thing obviously people are going to hearken back to a time when white people had like blatant power and those days are past and they're never going to return white people will be a minority in the united states within a few decades and we've been a minority on the is the earth for many many years and this is the trend is going to continue to have further fewer and fewer white people the question is if we can heal from the wounds of white supremacy and come to gether as a human species during the process i believe we can all the work i'm doing is toward that end but in order for everybody to get on board everyone concerned including people on the left is specially people who consider themselves social justice advocates and who want to build peace in our society need to. drop this idea of identity politics and stop seeing are our differences as something that

overrides or commonalities they you're someone who knows everything about hate when someone ran a hate crime yourself are a while. how do you recruit people where your math is different from the methods they used today. beza do exactly the same and it's all fear based it in my view when we were recruiting someone and might do was pretty internet so it was a lot of in person contacts and we would actually write each other on pen and paper and send it through the post but the conversations that are happening today are they same ones that happened in my day and they're essentially when i would be to a white guy i would first law i. i probe and see where he was added if he had children that i've been i've kind of dial in on those children especially if he had daughters and i would say oh you have a daughter what's going to happen to your daughter when all these blacks and

mexicans are all run in a walk in our society what's they're going to come and get her and i would try to all cultivate fear like that the primal fear of their parent has with their child is a danger and if i could just get a whiff of that i would be in on it and just keep the island and keep it in that until i started pressing the right buttons and this guy started thinking i need to listen to this guy i need to join this group and that's exactly what happens nowadays and interestingly is the exact same recruitment process where the far left for the so-called islamic state like all violent extremist groups will find that fear point and then try to lead a you around leading you by the nose via that fear now back in those days you from in a white supremacist metal outfit does music play a big role in recruitment and bring a lot of new people into the movement or is the white pride seen just preaching to the choir. white power music is absolutely essential it's essentially

a means of practicing that ideology wherever you are i was brought into the lloyd power of skinhead subculture via a white bars you know band when i was already in like hardcore and stuff and then i heard a band that had that same kind of music but their message was all the themes of the third reich talking about blooded soil and race and nation and it was very romantic and seductive and it made me feel powerful a baby feel like a rebel it made me feel like i'm fighting for this amazing cause and so it drew me in and that's its first function is to attract you to that ideology and once you start buying into the ideology you you listen to music on a daily basis whether you know it's headphones you know a plane in the car it's just like if you if i were to have a cassette that learn how to speak russian and i fell asleep every night with it you know listening to this because said about teaching me how to speak russian it

would eventually like dial the russian language into my brain and it would make the big it easier for me to learn that language if i'm listening to cassette every day that tells me why people are different there everybody elves superior to everybody else and threatened by everybody else that becomes my reality because i become for miller with that ideology which means i'm not for miller with the truth the versity is a beautiful thing and that human beings are basically good in our experience as a basically good thing the practice of that music drives me away from the positive truths of lives of life and towards all these negative laws like you mention twenty twelve member of they crew killed six people and say temple of wisconsin i that time you're completely on the opposite side you're no longer in the movement what it feel like. do you feel responsible for what happened. i feel very

responsible i will never forget the day that that happened i was working as an i.t. consultant and doing so like server read and stuff and i saw my social media feed has blown up and i'm kind of watching along as new things are coming in is it multiple shooters is it still going on how many people were killed and before it was announced the shooter was an affiliate white supremacy i had a sense that it was and that evening they did verify that but they didn't announce his name publicly so i said wonder was this someone that i had recruited was this someone that i knew personally did i have a direct hand in bringing this person to the ideology that led to this horrific mass murder and i found all the next day that it was someone i didn't know personally but he was very much exactly who i used to be he was part of the same gang that i had helped the star he was in white power bands i would be stunned if

he wasn't a fan of my band and so i felt then as i do know that i helped create environment that he came from and that. absolutely drives a very dire urgency for me to try to be a positive impact in society and made our communities places that are less susceptible to and i hate it when i'm looking at white supremacy movement today i can see that it's really we're branding itself it was all about the white k.k.k. hoods or a shaven has before but now i mean this people they take pride in looking very presentable clean almost hipster like with mainstream appeal as someone from inside the club do you feel like it's only the image of the packaging that has involved or their ideas to. i yeah all of the ideology is a volved any it is ideology that is based on hate and violence and

allies and fear it's got nowhere to evolve to it will never be anything more of them it will never be anything less than that so that the ideology is the exact same nowadays that these guys are are like their dogs ciders and their polo shirts and they are dockers and they look kind of ridiculous but i understand the old word images change but the you're right it's packaging it's the product inside is the same it's just as weak it's just as wrong and it's just as harmful not only to society at large but to the person who is practicing the ideology as well but i feel like also the methods to fight this ideology are pretty questionable because every horrific massacre and the united states by a white supremacist and we see confederate flags being taken down right and monuments to confederate soldiers being removed a symbol is of slavery but. if

a flag or a statue is removed does that really makes some would be terrorists hate people less i believe that we need to look at these statues and look at the context in which they were erected in charlottesville for sure the the statue in question was put up in the one thousand twenty's as part of jim crow basically as this as a message to black people that say hey don't step on the line because this is what you know where we are virginia and you're not going to you're not going to cause trouble you're not going to. rock the boat as far as our status quo is concerned and so statues like that that were erected with a direct message of white supremacy of it and of intimidation of people of color should absolutely come down i believe they should be taken down and put a new museum where people can look upon our past and and remember of those days when when that was a government all. a-c. but i certainly don't think that does this excuse of heritage and

it is a valid excuse to punish the rest of society with such heinous ideas and their partisan hero where you can actually go to prison for a gnat's a salute or having a swastika but in the reich and things like that are actually protected by the press amendment do you think it would help matters if america banned those things out lot those things. i do not not a proponent of. hate speech bans or the bans of aid organizations and the reason why is because i cherish our first amendment here in the united states i cherish our constitution and i believe the purpose of the first amendment is this in many ways it's a pressure valve and it's if people can speak their minds and they have the freedom to do so and the government isn't stopping them from do that it will deflect them

from actually acting out in violence a great example of as right now is in scandinavia i do a lot of work in denmark as well as norway and i've been to sweden once but sweden has a far greater problem with white supremacy groups than denmark does in denmark the far right ways approaches gangs are virtually nonexistent there are not a threat in sweden there are roving gangs avoid power skinheads who attacked refugees burned on refugee hostels and the big differences in denmark freedom of speech is a priority just like it is the united states in sweden. the they have a a further left attitude and hate speech is illegal and hate groups are illegal so they have all of these things but these laws have done nothing to stop the groups as a matter of fact they have inflamed the groups and i think. that would certainly happen here should our government. defy the constitution and make such

a law so i have always a proponent of free speech and i think anybody who is needs to exercise their free speech to speak out against violence when it happens in our society and be mindful to do it in a positive way prove why the fears of the be announced the ideology are wrong by doing great things in a multicultural diverse setting raising money for a good cause coming together to serve people who need it that's sends the balls. karna thank you very much for giving us this unique insight for a talking tale are going to callous farmer skin had now othar of my life after hate discussing white supremacy as in an america that's it for this edition of says han kohout see you next.

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was. reunited with their families years after the children were taken to iraq by their radicalized parents who went to join islamic state on the program we speak today. i remember when the film crew and they showed me the footage i could not believe it i could not believe that it was possible that. she doesn't let me go anyway. to create a military force in space. less than enthusiastic about a possible star wars program or indeed about some of his other plans for the military. and warned about deadly chemical one year too late

a british citizen sues the u.s. army over exposure to a toxic substance while working at an american military base in germany. just past nine am on this monday morning here in moscow you what you know it's the international we are putting together your top stories for this hour. it has been one year since we first reported on a russian speaking children found in an iraqi orphanage following the brutal military campaign there against islamic state after the report was ed several people reached out to us saying they recognized some of the children and this allowed some of those old friends to reconnect with their families years after their parents left with them to join i saw a correspondent but in a question of us spoke to those families to find out whether they've managed to move on after the tragic experience.

for some sort of. a year ago two small sisters high g.'s and fates you know were brought back to their grandparents who at the time lost all hope of africa seen them again they see the fields see here in this house the sister salue can behave like any other child of their age despite their traumatic experience their playground is now the two rooms upstairs that were once home for their parents their grandfather on bar hasn't changed a thing since they left and now the girls playing surrounded by things that once belonged to them if it weren't for the morning while the oldest sister is open and

active fight scene is quite close to often seeking the confort of her grandfather. which she doesn't let me go anywhere she says her dad also left in the morning and never came back in the evening she tells me how the gas station when you were. tells me how the planes arrived and then left. and are often speaks about the day in august twenty seventeen when they discovered their beloved granddaughter source in my life. in may twenty fifteen both of fund our sons secretly left russia to join i sell his al destroy took his wife and two young daughters and never revealed his true intentions. it's actually. about a week after they left i received

a message from my son saying they are in turkey i replied what do you mean in turkey instantly i understood everything and felt terrible this sort of thing happened a lot of the time a lot of young people left some went to join militant groups others went to syria it's not. often called his father but the last time he got in touch was when the fierce fighting began in moscow a short time after he and his wife were killed in a drone strike leaving her. all alone weeks later they turned up in an orphanage in baghdad scared and traumatized they were among the group of children who could speak russian ards he reported from that orphanage the story spread and the children were recognized. yes i remember when the film crew arrived and they showed me the footage i could not believe it i could not believe that it was possible that my goes could come back

home. despite the joyous the long awaited reunion this past year has been difficult for the family of our sas it's only now that some of the girls fear is being left behind i do still just keep it easy remembers how difficult and dangerous it was to go to get water so when they arrive it's a they were always thirsty i drank like five liters of water a day only in these past two weeks has not stopped and they no longer wake up at night wanting to drink there are hundreds of families across russia's north caucuses just like and ours searching for grandchildren mainly fear they will never see them again. to know if there is anything one message one sign that they are alive you have to grab it run around fake ask for help there are good people in the world.

i do not question reporting from russia's republic of dagestan this is the first in a series of reports on the fate of the children to be found in the iraqi orphanage now one year ago but throughout the week or on hearts he will bring you other stories on how they're getting used to life after the trauma they experienced. it's not just iraq where families of foreign i sold five years of ended up stranded in syria there are still refugee camps housing thousands of wives and children whose fate remain unclear.

so i moved quickly when i was so afraid of islamic state because they could have executed me if i try to escape so i had no one there option but to sustain. my husband was threatening me that if i returned home he would apply me to the muslim religious police i stayed in iraq are a few and i had nothing to do except wait for the kurds. but. if i'm charged i have nothing to be judged top because i have done nothing wrong. and. i would like to see our case is not dragged on and i hope that the local authorities will be able to handle all problems concerning our patrick to our home countries. u.s.

president donald trump has reiterated his plan to create a military force in space stressing that the new wing of the american military would have both defensive and offensive capabilities. to space for space thank. you that's going to be great look so much is happening now in space i mean your great defense i'm not just talking about mars at the moment i'm talking about tremendous defense capability offsets of capability it's in space so we're going to do that the space force. but not everyone is entirely enthusiastic about the proposed military space program the pentagon's lukewarm response to the president's plans is just one of a number of signs that there is a disconnect between trump and his military as r.t. as you could have done off explains. throughout his short political life donald trump has been taking an unequivocal stand that he is the biggest ally the u.s.

military could ever wish for their sacrifice and we salute the flag they fought to protect our great war for the men and women who paid the ultimate price for victory and for freedom. the women of the united states military there are fine but just over a year into his presidency the commander in chief has been all but drifting further away from his million strong core right now the white house and the pentagon are squabbling over donald trump's initiative to create an additional military branch a space force. the pentagon was unimpressed about this a year ago the pentagon isn't impressed now but is the space force gets for years we will you know if you're going to require legislation a lot of detail play i mean. we have not yet begun in the past eighteen months the

pentagon started the thru trove of public embarrassment because of their want to be biggest fan for instance this march donald trump casually remark that u.s. troops would be pulling out of syria in the nearest future the bomb shell decision the pentagon was not only unaware of but also disagreed with apparently will become another syria like very soon let the other people take care of it now very soon very soon it will come and i've heard rumors people talking about the trial but it's not over what is the announcement this week changing anything in that sense nothing actually has changed fast forward next month trump says he wants to deploy the national guard on the mexican border but let's just say the pentagon didn't have too much fun when it had to take the rap for this we're going to be guarding our border with the military members who are involved this overall expanded operation so that will all be determined.