we won't like me act like me you're essentially going back to the same mindset that . you're just not a different camp and i don't think there's ever a healthy thing for he would beings and i don't think it's going to help anybody all these colors are now going to take a short break right now while we're back we'll continue discussing what's behind the rights of premises and movements in america with former skinhead arnold mcallister stay with us.

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we're back with former skinhead and author of my life after hate cal is discussing white supremacy is a movement and how people get attracted to this ideology welcome back our know now there is a poll conducted by the military times which one for serving u.s. military personnel have seen white supremacy with their ranks and considerate more dangerous. is there a new nasa demick in the army. to my knowledge i believe it certainly is of them that the military needs of paid more attention to in milwaukee work with a gentleman named party police party father was murdered by a white power skinhead who is part of a gang that i'd helped to start along with five other people on august fifth two thousand and twelve the murderer whose name was wade page was radicalized in the united states army so he went into the army nonaffiliated average white guy he

came out in affiliated white supremacist and that led to his practice of hate and violence for over ten years that ultimately ended in a mass murder hate crime so i think the military needs to be accountable for that in many ways i work with a ton of brilliant middle military people who point out all the time that you invited suits military is one of the most multicultural organizations on earth and i believe that's true but i think that there is still space within the military for white supremacist ideology and organizations to give purchase and that that is certainly a huge concern that needs to be addressed so i was going through another survey by national public radio and did you ever know that five fifty five percent of white people in america think that whites face racial prejudice i mean you have lost your temper with people of different skin color but have you ever felt racial prejudice

yourself towards you. i think what we're seeing in the united states with like the survey that you cited is that as demographic changes the world changes changes an inevitable thing obviously people are going to hearken back to a time when white people had like blatant power and those days are past and they're never going to return white people will be a minority in the united states within a few decades and we've been a minority on the is the earth for many many years and that's the trend is going to continue further if you are fewer white people the question is if we can heal from the wounds of white supremacy and come together as a human species during the process i believe we can all the work i'm doing is toward that end but in order for everybody to get on board everyone concerned including people on the left is specially people who consider themselves social

justice advocates and who want to build peace in our society need to. drop this idea of identity politics and stop seeing her differences as something that overrides are commonalities they are someone who knows everything about hate when someone ran a hate crime yourself for a while. how do you recruit people where your math is different from the methods they use today. better to use exactly the same and it's all fear based it in my view when we were recruiting someone and might do was pretty internet so it was a lot of in person contacts and we would actually write each other on pen and paper and send it through the post but the conversations that are happening today are they same ones that happened in my day and they're essentially when i would be to a white guy i would first of all i. i probe and see where he was

added if he had children that i've been i've kind of dial in on those on those children especially if he had daughters and i would say oh you have a daughter what's going to happen to your daughter when all these blacks and mexicans are all run in a walk in our society what's they're going to come and get her and i would try to cultivate fear like a primal fear of their parent has when their child is in danger and if i could just get a whiff of that i would soon be in on it and just keep the island and keep hidden that until i started pressing the right buttons and this guy started thinking i need to listen to this guy i need to join this group and that's exactly what happens nowadays and interestingly is the exact same recruitment process where the far left for the so-called islamic state like all violent extremist groups will find that fear point and then try to lead a you around leading you by the nose via that fear now back in those days you from in a white supremacist metal outfit does music play

a big role in recruitment and bring a lot of new people into the milind or is the white pride seen just preaching to the choir. white power music is absolutely essential it's essentially a means of practicing that ideology wherever you are i was brought into the white power skinhead subculture via a white power skinhead band when i was already in like pomp and hardcore stuff and then i heard a band that had that same kind of music but their message was all the themes of the third reich talking about blooded soil and race and nation and it was very romantic and seductive and it made me feel powerful a baby feel like a rebel it made me feel like i'm fighting for this amazing cause and so it drew me in and that's its first function is to attract you to that ideology and once you start buying into the ideology you you listen to this music on

a daily basis whether you know it's headphones you know a plane in the car it's just like if you if i were to have a cassette that learn how to speak russian and i fell asleep every night with it you know listening to this because said about teaching me how to speak russian it would eventually like dial the russian language into my brain and it would make the big it easier for me to learn that language if i'm listening to cassette every day that tells me why people are different there everybody elves superior to everybody else and threatened by everybody else that becomes my reality because i become for miller with that ideology which means i'm not familiar with the truth the versity is a beautiful thing and that human beings are basically good in our experience as a basically good thing the practice of the music drives me away from the positive truths of lives of life and towards all these negative laws like you mention twenty twelve member of they croupy and found

a. temple of wisconsin i that time you're completely on the opposite side you're no longer in the movement what it feel like to you can't do you feel responsible for what happened. i feel very responsible i will never forget the day that that happened i was working as an i.t. consultant and doing the white server reagan stuff and i saw myself would be a feed has blown up and i'm kind of watching along as new things are coming in is it multiple shooters is it still going on how many people were killed and before it was announced the shooter was an affiliate it's a promise i had a sense that it was and that evening they did verify that but they didn't announce his name publicly so i said wonder was this someone that i had recruited was this someone that i knew personally did i have a direct hand in bringing this person to the ideology that led to this horrific

mass murder and i phone all the next day that it was someone i didn't know personally but he was very much exactly who i used to be he was part of the same gang that i had helped the star he was in white power bands i would be stunned if he wasn't a fan of my band and so i felt then as i do not know that i helped create the environment that he came from and that absolutely drives a very dire urgency for me to try to make a positive impact in society and to make our communities places that are less susceptible to that kind of hate it when i'm looking at white supremacy movement today i can see that it's really branding itself it was all about the white k.k.k. hood sarah shaven has before but now i mean this people they take pride in looking very presentable clean almost hipster like with mainstream and pale as someone from

inside the club do you feel like it's only the image in the packaging that has involved or their ideas to. idea of the ideology is a volved any it is it ideology that is based on hate and violence and lies and fear it's got nowhere to evolve to it will never be anything more than it will never be anything west of the so that the ideology is the exact same nowadays that these guys are are like their docs liars and their polo shirts and are dockers and they look kind of ridiculous but i understand the old word images change but the you're right it's packaging it's the product inside is the same it's just as weak it's just as wrong and it's just as harmful not only to society at large but to the person who is practicing the ideology as well but i feel like also the methods to fight this ideology are pretty questionable because every horrific

massacre and the united states by a white supremacist and we see confederate flags being taken down right and monuments to confederate soldiers being removed a symbol is of slavery but. if a flag or a statue is removed does that really makes would be terrorists hate people less i believe that we need to look at these statues and look at the context in which they were erected in charlottesville for sure the statue in question was put up in the one thousand twenty's as part of jim crow basically as this as a message to black people that say hey don't step on the line because this is what you know where we are virginia and you're not going to you're not going to cause trouble you're not going to. rock the boat as far as our status quo is concerned and so statues like that that were erected with a direct message of white supremacy and and of intimidation of people of color should absolutely come down i believe they should be taken down and put

a new museum where people can look upon our past and and remember of those days when when that was the government all. a-c. but i certainly don't think that does this excuse of heritage and it is a valid excuse to punish the rest of society with such heinous ideas and their partisan hero where you can actually go to prison for a gnat's a salute or having a swastika but in america things like that are actually protected by the press amendment do you think it would help matters if america banned those things out lot those things. i do not not a proponent of. hate speech bans or the bans of aid organizations and the reason why is because i cherish our first amendment here in the united states i cherish our constitution and i believe the purpose of the first

amendment is this in many ways it's a pressure valve and it's if people can speak their minds and they have the freedom to do so and the government isn't stopping them from do that it will deflect them from actually acting out in violence a great example of as right now is in scandinavia i do a lot of work in denmark as well as norway and i've been to sweden once but sweden has a far greater problem with white supremacy groups than denmark does in denmark the far right ways approaches gangs are virtually nonexistent there are not a threat in sweden there are roving gangs avoid power skinheads who attacked refugees burned on refugee hostels and the big differences in denmark freedom of speech is a priority just like it is the united states in sweden. the they have a a further left attitude and hate speech is illegal and he groups are illegal so

they have all of these things but these laws have done nothing to stop the groups as a matter of fact they have inflamed the groups and i think. that would certainly happen here should our government. defy the constitution and make such a law so all i'm always a proponent of free speech and i think anybody who is needs to exercise their free speech to speak out against violence when it happens in our society and be mindful to do it in a positive way prove why the fears of the units the ideology are wrong by doing great things in a multicultural diversity raising money for a good cause coming together to serve people who need it that's sens lowballs are full basket karna thank you very much for giving us this unique insight or a talking tale argument cali's farmer skin had now othar of my life after hate discussing white supremacy is a man america that's it for this edition of says han kohout see you next.

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make or. break. for now one. good monday stories here were naughty orphans reunified with years off for the children who were taken from russia to iraq by their radicalized parents who went to joint islamic state here on the program we speak to their brother. i remember when the film crew arrived and they showed me the footage i could not believe it i could not believe that it was possible that my goes could come back home she doesn't let me go anyway. plans to create

a military force in space for the pentagon less than enthusiastic about a possible star wars program or indeed about some of his other plans for the military. also deadly chemicals one. a british citizen sues the us army over exposure to a toxic substance working at an american military base in germany. under program one r.t. international we come to you live from moscow was just after one pm here in the russian. it has been one year since we first reported on a russian speaking children found in an iraqi orphanage following the brutal military operation there against islamic state after the report was ed we launched a campaign to find relatives of those children and several people reached out to us

saying that they recognized some of them now this allowed those orphans to reconnect with their families years after their parents left with them to join eisel our correspondent within a question of a spoke to those families to find out whether they've managed to move on after the tragic experience. yes. so. if. they year ago two small sisters high g.'s and fights were brought back to their grandparents who at the time lost all hope of ever seeing them again they say they feel safe here in this house the sister salue can behave like any other child of their age despite their traumatic experience their playground is now the two rooms

upstairs that were once home for their parents their grandfather on of our hasn't changed a thing since they left and now the girls play so rounded by things that once belonged to that if a black couple were while the oldest sister is open and active might seem as quiet and closed off and seeking the confort of her grandfather. which she doesn't let me go anyway she says had dad also left in the morning and never came back in the evening she tells me how the gas station where you work. tells me how the plane has arrived and then let. anybody in. and are often speaks about the day in aug twenty seventeen when they discovered their beloved granddaughters were sitting in my life more than i could i said and whose. research. in may twenty fifteen both of fund our son secretly left russia to

join i so his al distraught took his wife and two young daughters and never revealed his true intentions. that it's actually. about a week off today. i received a message from my son saying they are in turkey i replied what do you mean in turkey instantly i understood everything and felt terrible this sort of thing happened a lot of the time a lot of young people left some went to join militant groups others went to iraq or syria it's not. often called his father but the last time he got in touch was when the fierce fighting began in moscow a short time after he and his wife were killed in a drone strike leaving her and all alone weeks later they turned up in an orphanage in baghdad scared and traumatized they were among the group of children who could speak russian args he reported from that orphanage the story spread and the

children were recognized. that's years ago for the if i remember when the film crew arrived and they showed me the footage i could not believe it i could not believe that it was possible that my goes could come back home. despite the joyous the long awaited reunion this past year has been difficult for the family of our sas it's only now that some of the girls fear is being left behind i do you just keep their knees a remembers how difficult and dangerous it was to go to get water so when they arrived as if they were always thirsty they drank like five liters of water a day only in these past two weeks has not stopped and they no longer wake up at night wanting to drink there are hundreds of families across russia's north caucuses just like on mars searching for grandchildren mainly fear that they will never see them again good to know if there is anything one message one sign that

they are alive you have to grab it run around fake ask for help there are good people in the world. i do not question r.t. reporting from russia's republic of dagestan this is the first in a series of reports on the fate of the children we found in the iraqi orphanage one year ago throughout the week here on r.t. will bring you other stories on how they're getting used to a life after the trauma that they experienced. it's not just iraq where families of foreign i saw fighters have ended up stranded in syria there are still refugee camps housing thousands of wives and children

whose fate remain unclear. i was so afraid of islamic state because they could have executed me if i tried to escape so i had no other option but to sustain. my husband was threatening me that if i returned home he would apply me to the muslim religious police i stayed in iraq are a few and i had nothing to do except wait for the kurds. but. if i am charged i have nothing to be charged for because i have done nothing

wrong. and i'm about to start the army i would like to see our cases not drag on and i hope that the local authorities will be able to handle all problems concerning our patrick to our home countries. us president reiterated his plan to create a military force in space stressing that this new wing of the american military would have both defensive and often save capabilities. this space for speaking i want thank you were that's going to be great to look so much is happening now in space i mean your great defense i'm not just talking about mars and the moon i'm talking about tremendous defense capability offsets of capability it's in space so we're going to do the space force i but not everyone is entirely enthusiastic about the proposed military space program the pentagon's lukewarm response to the

president's plans is just one of a number of signs that there is potentially a disconnect between trump and his military as ati's that you could have done if explains. throughout his short political life donald trump has been taking an unequivocal stand that he is the biggest ally the u.s. military could ever wish for we salute their sacrifice or we salute the flag they fought to protect our great war fighters the men and women who paid the ultimate price for victory and for freedom. the women of the united states military these are our finest but just over a year into his presidency the commander in chief has been all but drifting further away from his million strong core right now the white house and the pentagon are squabbling over donald trump's initiative to create an additional military branch a space force.

the pentagon was unimpressed about this a year ago the pentagon isn't impressed now is the space force to get its procedures we you know if you're going to require legislation a lot of detail play i mean. we have not yet begun in the past eighteen months the pentagon started through trove of public embarrassment because of their want to be biggest fan for instance this march donald trump casually remark that u.s. troops would be pulling out of syria in the nearest future the bomb shell decision the pentagon was not only unaware of but also disagreed with apparently will become another syria like very soon let the other people take care of it now very very soon would come and i've heard rumors of people talking about the trial but it's not over but i think the announcement this week change and.