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supremacism movement and how people get attracted to this ideology welcome back our know now there is a poll conducted by the military times which one for serving u.s. military personnel have seen white supremacism with their ranks and considerate more dangerous to islam exceed is there a new nasa demick in the army. to my knowledge i believe it's certainly some of them that the military needs of paid more attention to in milwaukee work with a gentleman named party police party father was murdered by a white power skinhead who is part of a gang that i'd helped to start along with five other people on august fifth two thousand and twelve the murderer whose name was wade page was radicalized in the united states army so he went into the army nonaffiliated average white guy he came out in affiliated white supremacist and that led to his practice of hate and

violence for over ten years that ultimately ended in a mass murder hate crime so i think the military needs to be accountable for that in many ways i've worked with a ton of brilliant middle military people who point out all the time that you invited suits military is one of the most multicultural organizations on earth and i believe that's true but i think that there is still space within the military for white supremacist ideology and organizations to give purchase and that that is certainly a huge concern that needs to be addressed so i was going through another survey by national public radio and did you ever know that five to five percent of white people in america think that whites face racial prejudice i mean you have lost your temper with people of different skin color but have you ever felt racial prejudice yourself towards you. i think what we're seeing in the united states

with like the survey that you cited is that as demographic changes the world changes change is an inevitable thing obviously people are going to hearken back to a time when white people had like blatant power and those days are past and they're never going to return white people will be a minority in the united states within a few decades and we've been a minority on the is the earth for many many years and that's the trend is going to continue to have hurt fewer and fewer white people the question is if we can heal from the wounds of white supremacy and come to gether as a human species during the process i believe we can all the work i'm doing is toward that end but in order for everybody to get onboard everyone concerned including people on the left is specially people who consider themselves social justice advocates and who want to build peace in our society need to. drop this

idea of identity politics and stop seeing her differences as something that overrides or commonalities they hear someone who knows everything about hate when someone ran a hate crime yourself for a while. how do you recruit people where your math is different from the methods they used today. meza do exactly the same and it's all fear based it in my view when we were recruiting someone and might do was pretty internet so it was a lot of in person contacts and we would actually write each other on pen and paper and send it through the post but the conversations that are happening today are they same ones that happened in my day and they're essentially when i would be to a white guy i would first of all i. i probe and see where he was added if he had children that i've been i've kind of dial in on those children especially if he had daughters and i would say oh you have

a daughter what's going to happen to your daughter when all these blacks and mexicans are all run in a walk in our society what's they're going to come and get her and i would try to cultivate fear like that the primal fear of their parent has when their child is in danger and if i could just get a whiff of that i would be in on it and just keep the island and keep it in that until i started pressing the right buttons and this guy started thinking i need to listen to this guy i need to join this group and that's exactly what happens nowadays and interestingly is the exact same recruitment process where the far left for the so-called islamic state like all violent extremist groups will find that fear point and then try to lead to you around leading you by the nose via that fear now back in those days you from in a white supremacist metal outfit does music play a big role in recruitment and bring a lot of new people into the milind or is the white pride seen just preaching to

the choir. white power music is absolutely essential it's essentially a means of practicing that ideology wherever you are i was brought into the lloyd power skinhead subculture via a white bars in a band when i was already in like pomp and hardcore stuff and then i heard a band that had that same kind of music but their message was all the themes of the third reich talking about blooded soil and race and nation and it was very romantic and seductive and it made me feel powerful a baby feel like a rebel it made me feel like i'm fighting for this amazing cause and so it drew me in and that's its first function is to attract you to that ideology and once you start buying into the ideology you you listen to this music on a daily basis whether you know it's headphones you know a plane in the car it's just like if you if i were to have

a cassette that learn how to speak russian and i fell asleep every night with it you know listening to this because said about teaching me how to speak russian it would eventually like dial the russian language into my brain and it would make the big it easier for me to learn that language if i'm listening to cassette every day that tells me why people are different there everybody elves superior to everybody else and threatened by everybody else that becomes my reality because i become for miller with that ideology which means i'm not familiar with the truth the versity is a beautiful thing and that human beings are basically good in our experience as a basically good thing the practice of that music drives me away from the positive truths of lives of life and towards all these negative laws like you mention twenty twelve member of a crew peon found it killed six people in say temple wisconsin i that time you're completely on the opposite side you're no longer in the movement what it feel like

. do you feel responsible for what happened. i feel very responsible i will never forget the day that that happened i was working as an i.t. consultant and doing so like server read and stuff and i saw my social media feed has blown up and i'm kind of watching along as new things are coming in is it multiple shooters is it still going on how many people were killed and before it was announced that the shooter was an affiliate white supremacy i had a sense that it was and that evening they did verify that but they didn't announce his name publicly so i sat and wonder was this someone that i had recruited was this someone that i knew personally did i have a direct hand in bringing this person to the ideology that led to this horrific mass murder and i found all the next day that it was someone i didn't know

personally but he was very much exactly who i used to be he was part of the same gang that i had helped the star he was in white power bands i would be stunned if he wasn't a fan of my band and so i felt then as i do not know that i helped create environment that he came from and that. absolutely drives a very dire urgency for me to try to be a positive impact in society and to make our communities places that are less susceptible to and i hate it when i'm looking at white supremacy movement today i can see that it's really really branding itself it was all about the white k.k.k. hoods or a shaven house before but now i mean this people they take pride in looking very presentable clean almost hipster like with mainstream appeal as someone from inside the club do you feel like it's only the image of the packaging that has

involved or their ideas to. i know of the ideology is a volved any it is ideology that is based on hate and violence and lies and fear it's got nowhere to evolve to it will never be anything more than it will never be anything less than that so that the ideology is the exact same values that these guys are or like their doc ciders and their polo shirts and or dockers and they look kind of ridiculous but i understand the outward image has changed but the era it's packaging it's the product inside is the same it's just as weak it's just as wrong and it's just as harmful not only to society at large but to the person who is practicing the ideology as well but i feel like also the methods to fight this ideology are pretty questionable because every horrific massacre and the united states by a white supremacist and we see confederate flags being taken down right and

monuments to confederate soldiers being removed a symbol is of slavery but. if a flag or a statue is removed does that really makes would be terrorists hate people less i believe that we need to look at these statues and look at the context in which they were erected in charlottesville for sure the the statue in question was put up in the one thousand twenty's as part of jim crow basically as this as a message to black people that say hey don't step on the line because this is what you know where we are virginia and you're not going to you're not going to cause trouble you're not going to. rock the boat as far as our status quo is concerned and so statues like that that were erected with a direct message of white supremacy of it and of intimidation of people of color should absolutely come down i believe they should be taken down and put a new museum where people can look upon our past and remember of those days when

when that was a government all. a-c. but i certainly don't think that does this excuse of heritage and it is a valid excuse to punish the rest of society with such heinous ideas and their partisan hero where you can actually go to prison for a gnat's a salute or having a swastika but in america things like that are actually protected by the pressmen what do you think it would help matters if america banned those things out lot those things. i do not not a proponent of. hate speech bans or the bans of aid organizations and the reason why is because i cherish our first amendment here in the united states i cherish our constitution and i believe the purpose of the first amendment is this in many ways it's a pressure valve and it's if people can speak their minds and they have the freedom

to do so and the government isn't stopping them from do that it will deflect them from actually acting out in violence a great example of as right now is in scandinavia i do a lot of work in denmark as well as norway and i've been to sweden once but sweden has a far greater problem with white supremacy groups than denmark does in denmark the far right ways approaches gangs are virtually nonexistent there are not a threat in sweden there are roving gangs avoid power skinheads who attacked refugees burned on refugee hostels and the big differences in denmark freedom of speech is a priority just like it is the united states in sweden. the they have a a further left attitude and hate speech is illegal and he groups are illegal so they have all of these things but these laws have done nothing to stop the groups as a matter of fact they have inflamed the groups and i think. that would certainly happen

here should our government. defy the constitution and make such a law so i have always a proponent of free speech and i think anybody who is needs to exercise their free speech to speak out against violence when it happens in our society and be mindful that do it in a positive way prove why the fears of the units the ideology are wrong by doing great things in a multicultural diversity raising money for a good cause coming together to serve people who need it that's the son's lowballs . karna thank you very much for giving us this unique insight for a talking tale argument callus farmer skin had now author of my life after hate discussing white supremacy as a man america that's it for this edition of says han kohout see you next.

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a way no resting needed watching even though the bruising you're sitting here with me. smile the last. one. top stories this brussels hits back is the deadline for the first round if u.s. sanctions against iran triggers measures to protect its firms working with tehran also to come donald trump again lines plans to create a military force in space although the pentagon doesn't appear less than enthusiastic about a possible star wars program and we catch up with. their families after the children were taken from russia by their radicalized parents who went to joint islamics. i remember when the film crew arrived and they showed me the footage i

could not believe it i could not believe that it was possible that my girls could come back home she doesn't let me go anywhere. deadly chemicals one year too late u.k. citizen use the us army over exposure to toxic substance while working as an american military base in germany. watching r.t. international this monday afternoon was just gone five pm here in moscow now the european union is fighting against u.s. sanctions that target iran should being imposed after president quit the nuclear deal with as the deadline for the first round of punitive measures approaches the reason forcing special legislation in the bid to protect its business is working with iran is our europe correspondent. well donald trump's decision back in may to

pull the united states out of the iran nuclear deal it's really proved to be the thought of issues in the sides of relations between brussels and washington now the first round of sanctions that are going to see reintroduced on to iran well they've caused upset amongst the nations what these sanctions will see is restrictions on a rainy and ability to buy and sell and u.s. dollars also restrictions on reigning businesses dealing in the global metals industry particularly in the precious metals industry and the response to that from the european union has been a resoundingly no we are determined to protect european economic operators in legitimate business with iran this is why your opinions updated blocking statute enters into force under seven of august to protect e.u. companies doing legitimate business with iran for an impact of u.s.

extraterritorial sanctions so the e.u. will implement the blocking statute what is it what it was first written into law back in one thousand nine hundred six it was designed to allow european businesses to get around a blockade on cuba but it's never been fully implemented and in fact it has been extensively really written earlier this year specifically with iran in mind now in theory what it should do is it should protect european businesses doing business in iran and should stop them from being affected by u.s. sanctions so it hasn't been used yet we don't know how it will be used and we also don't know how well it will be received in the united states what we do know is that it's been warmly welcomed into iran to date the entire world has shown it disagrees with the u.s. policies against iran talk to anyone anywhere in the world and they will tell you that netanyahu trump and been some are isolated not iran but from the u.s.

side we've heard from secretary of state mike. pompei it says that the sanctions on the ones that they intend to introduce in november as well are necessary if they're to bring iran back into the realms of what he calls normal countries they've got to behave like a normal country that's the our ask is pretty simple we think that most other countries everyone with whom i spoke on this that they need to behave normally and we understand that this is a country that threatens them it seems that none of those countries that mr pompei o spoke to would have been european countries says the who has opted to go ahead with the blocking start cheat this legal framework that's directly intended to impede u.s. sanctions that are going to be put in place against iran. while the us president told. his plan to create a military force in space stressing it would have both defensive and offensive capabilities. the space force with

with that's going to be great luck so much is happening now it's a great defense i'm not just talking about mars at the moment i'm talking about tremendous defense capability offensive capability it's in space so we're going to do the space force. but not everybody's enthusiastic about that idea because the pentagon's lukewarm response is just one of a number of signs of perhaps a disconnect between trump and his military is you know she done enough explains. throughout his short political life donald trump has been taking an unequivocal stand that he is the biggest ally the u.s. military could ever wish for we salute their sacrifice or we salute the flag they fought to protect our great war for the men and women who paid the ultimate price for victory and for freedom. the women of the united states military

these are our finest but just over a year into his presidency the commander in chief has been all but drifting further away from his million strong core right now the white house and the pentagon are squabbling over donald trump's initiative to create an additional military branch a space force. the pentagon was unimpressed about this a year ago the pentagon isn't impressed now is the space force kids for two years we just you know if you're going to require legislation a lot of detail play i mean. we've not yet begun in the past eighteen months the pentagon started through trove of public embarrassment because of their want to be biggest fan for instance this march donald trump casually remark that u.s. troops would be pulling out of syria in the nearest future the bomb shell decision

the pentagon was not only unaware of but also disagreed with apparently will become another syria like very soon let the other people take care of it now very soon very soon will come and i've heard rumors of people talking about the trial but it's not over when i think the announcement this week changing anything in that sense nothing actually has changed fast forward next month trump says he wants to deploy the national guard on the mexican border well let's just say. the pentagon didn't have too much fun when it had to take the route for this we're going to be guarding our border with the military members who are likely to be involved this overall expanded operation so that will all be determined by the requirements that are given to us but i don't have any specific details on what support we could provide but they will provide us with the requirements and then from that will determine how many and what's the mission and how many want to play back in twenty

seventeen trump went to france where he saw the iconic but still day parade wow that's nice why don't we have something like this you thought some reports suggested no one wanted the parade but trump reluctantly worked on it in a hands off mode the due date is just over three months away now the event is reportedly in the early planning stages and it's still unclear who's going to foot the millions of dollars bill some orders trump is giving out of all places on twitter last year he first tweeted that the u.s. would not accept or allow dot dot dot nine long minutes passed before he resumed. does anyone else in this room have any intelligence coming out of the united states government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the u.s.

military. their job or some coffee this list of when trump pushed the pentagon right under the bus is nowhere near complete so with the space force initiative the u.s. military's well apparently struggling to get its hands back on the steering wheel he says i but he welcomes the advice from the likes of of medicine and pompei o. and bolton who are all considered the war cabinet but he makes the ultimate. decisions when it's time for a decision but when it comes to throwing out ideas that doesn't necessarily mean he's consulted with anybody he came up with the idea before consulting with everybody he made it known publicly and then once he began to get briefed on the issue i think he's beginning to understand that the space force per se may not be the way to go although i don't think he's ruled it out entirely. now it has been

one year since we first reported on russian speaking children found in an orphanage in iraq following the brutal military operation there against islamic state after the report was aired we don't have the campaign to to find any relatives of those children and several people came forward saying that they had recognized some of them well this led to those orphans being reunited with their family after their parents had left russia to join eisel or correspond medina courtin ever spoke to those families to find out whether they've managed to move on after the tragic experience.