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we're back with former state author of my life after hate out of mcalester discussing white supremacy is a movement and how people get attracted to this ideology welcome back our know now there is a poll conducted by the military times which sestet one for serving us military personnel have seen white supremacy with their wings and consider it more dangerous to islam expat is there a neo nazi if you demick in the army. to my knowledge i believe it's certainly some of them that the military needs of paid more attention to in milwaukee work with

a gentleman named party khalifa party father was murdered by a white power skinhead who was part of the gang that i'd helped to start along with five other people on august fifth two thousand and twelve the murderer whose name was wade page was radicalized in the united states army so he went into the army nonaffiliated average white guy he came out in affiliated white supremacist and that led to his practice of hate and violence for over ten years that ultimately ended in a mass murder hate crime so i think the military needs to be accountable for that in many ways i work with a ton of brilliant middle military people who point out all the time that you invited to this military is one of the most multicultural organizations on earth and i believe that's true but i think that there is still space within the military for white supremacist ideology and organizations to give purchase and that that is

certainly a huge concern that needs to be addressed so i was going through another survey by national public radio and did you ever know that five fifty five percent of white people in america think that whites face racial prejudice i mean you have lost your temper with people of different skin color but have you ever felt racial prejudice yourself towards you. i think what we're seeing in the united states with like the survey that you cited is that as demographic changes the world changes changes an inevitable thing obviously people are going to harken back to a time when white people had like blatant power and those days are past and they're never going to return white people will be a minority in the united states within a few decades and we've been a minority of the is the earth for many many years and that's the trend is going to

continue to have further fewer and fewer white people the question is if we can heal from the wounds of white supremacy and come to gether as a human species during the process i believe we can all the work i'm doing is toward that end but in order for everybody to get on board everyone concerned including people on the left is specially people who consider themselves social justice advocates and who want to build peace in our society need to. drop this idea of identity politics and stop seeing her differences as something that overrides or commonalities they hear someone who knows everything about hate women soon ran a hate crime yourself for a while how do you recruit people where your math is different from the methods they used today. meza do exactly the same and it's all fear based it in my view when we were recruiting someone and might do was pretty internet so it was

a lot of in person contacts and we would actually write each other on pen and paper and send it through the post but the conversations that are happening today are they same ones that happened in my day and they're essentially when i would be to a white guy i would first of all i. i probe and see where he was added if he had children then i've kind of dial in on those children especially if he had daughters and i would say oh you have a daughter what's going to happen to your daughter when all these blacks and mexicans are all run in a walk in our society what's they're going to come and get her and i would try to all cultivate fear like that the primal fear of their parent has when their child is in danger and if i could just get a whiff of that i would soon be in on it and just keep dial it and keep it in that until i started pressing the right buttons and this guy started thinking i need to listen to this guy i need to join this group and that's exactly what happens

nowadays and interestingly is the exact same recruitment process where the far left for the so-called islamic state like all violent extremist groups will find that fear point and then try to lead to you around leading you by the nose via that fear now back in those days you from in that white supremacist metal outfit does music play a big role in recruitment and bring a lot of new people into the movement or is the white pride seen just preaching to the choir. white power music is absolutely essential it's essentially a means of practicing that ideology wherever you are i was brought into the white power of skinhead subculture via a white power skinhead band when i was already in like hardcore stuff and then i heard a band that had that same kind of music but their message was all the themes of the third reich talking about blooded soil and race and nation and it was very romantic

and seductive and it made me feel powerful a baby feel like a rebel it made me feel like i'm fighting for this amazing cause and so it drew me in and that's its first function is to attract you to that ideology and once you start buying into the ideology you you listen to music on a daily basis whether you know it's headphones you know a plane in the car it's just like if you if i were to have a cassette that learn how to speak russian and i fell asleep every night with it you know listening to this because said about teaching me how to speak russian it would eventually like dial the russian language into my brain and it would make the big it easier for me to learn that language if i'm listening to cassette every day that tells me why people are different there everybody elves superior to everybody else and threatened by everybody else that becomes my reality because i become for miller with that ideology which means i'm not familiar with the truth the versity

is a beautiful thing and that human beings are basically good in our experience as a basically good thing the practice of that music drives me away from the positive truths of lives of life and towards all these negative laws like you mention twenty twelve member of a crew pm found a killed six people and say temple of wisconsin i that time you're completely on the opposite side you're no longer in the movement what it feel like. do you feel responsible for what happened. i feel very responsible i will never forget the day that that happened i was working as an i.t. consultant and doing so like server read and stuff and i saw my social media feed has blown up and i'm kind of watching along as new things are coming in is it multiple shooters is it still going on how many people were killed and before it was announced that the shooter was an affiliate white supremacy i had

a sense that it was and that evening they did verify that but they didn't announce his name publicly so i sat in wonder was this someone that i had recruited was this someone that i knew personally did i have a direct hand in bringing this person to the ideology that led to this horrific mass murder and i found all the next day that it was someone i didn't know personally but he was very much exactly who i used to be he was part of the same gang that i had helped the star he was in white power bands i would be stunned if he wasn't a fan of my band and so i felt then as i do know that i helped create the environment that he came from and that. absolutely drives a very dire urgency for me to try to be a positive impact in society and make our communities places that are less

susceptible to and i hate it when i'm looking at white supremacy movement today i can see that it's really branding itself it was all about the wide k.k.k. hoods or a shaven house before but now i mean this people they take pride in looking very presentable clean almost hipster like with mainstream appeal as someone from inside the club do you feel like it's only the image of the packaging that has involved or their ideas to. idea of the ideology is a volved any it is it ideology that is based on hate and violence and lies and fear it's got nowhere to evolve to it will never be anything more than it will never be anything less than that so that the ideology is the exact same values that these guys are or like their doc ciders and their polo shirts and or dockers and they look kind of ridiculous but i understand the old word image has changed

but the era it's packaging it's the product inside is the same it's just as weak it's just as wrong and it's just as harmful not only to society at large but to the person who is practicing the ideology as well but i feel like also the methods to fight this ideology are pretty questionable because every horrific massacre and the united states by a white supremacist and with a confederate flags being taken down right and monuments to confederate soldiers being removed as a symbol is of slavery but. if a flag or a statue is removed does that really makes would be terrorists hate people less i believe that we need to look at these statues and look at the context in which they were erected in charlottesville for sure the statue in question was put up in the one thousand twenty's as part of jim crow basically as this as a message to black people that say hey don't step on the line because this is what

you know where we are virginia and you're not going to you're not going to cause trouble you're not going to. rock the boat as far as our status quo is concerned and so statues like that that were erected with a direct message of white supremacy and of intimidation of people of color should absolutely come down i believe they should be taken down and put new museum where people can look upon our past and and remember of those days when when that was a government paul. a-c. but i certainly don't think that does this excuse of heritage and. it is a valid excuse to punish the rest of society with such heinous ideas and their partisan hero where you can actually go to prison for a gnat's a salute or having a swastika but in america things like that are actually protected by the press amendment do you think it would help matters if america banned those things out lot

those things. i do not not a proponent of. hate speech bans or the bans of aid organizations and the reason why is because i cherish our first moment here in the united states i cherish our constitution and i believe the purpose of the first amendment is as in many ways it's a pressure valve and it's if people can speak their minds and they have the freedom to do so the government isn't stopping them from do that it will deflect them from actually acting out in violence a great example of as right now is in scandinavia i do a lot of work in denmark as well as norway and i've been to sweden once but sweden has a far greater problem with white supremacy groups than denmark does in denmark the far right whites approaches gangs are virtually nonexistent there are not

a threat in sweden there are roving gangs of white power skinheads who attacked refugees burned on refugee hostels and the big differences in denmark freedom of speech is a priority just like it is the united states in sweden. the they have a a further left attitude and hate speech is illegal and he groups are illegal so they have all of these things but these laws have done nothing to stop the groups as a matter of fact they have inflamed the groups and i think. that would certainly happen here should our government. defy the constitution and make such a law so i have always a proponent of free speech and i think anybody who is needs to exercise their free speech to speak out against violence when it happens in our society and be mindful to do it in a positive way prove why the fears of the units the ideology are wrong by doing great things in a multicultural diverse setting raising money for

a good cause coming together to serve people who need it that's the sense of the walls are full masses. karna thank you very much for giving us this unique insight for a talking tale argument cali's farmer skin had now othar of my life after hate discussing white supremacy as in an america that's it for this edition of says han cohen c.n.n. express. i

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felt. like the. us slams around with new sanctions however the little support from the e.u. with brussels blocked the new restrictions to protect companies working with a round. of double standards emerge in the us after a conservative activist gets suspended by twitter for mimicking the racist tweets of a controversial journalist. and we catch up with oftens reunited with their families after the children were taken from russia by their radicalized parents who went to join islamic. i remember when the film crew arrived and they showed me the footage i could not believe it i could not. believe that it was possible that my girls could come back home she doesn't let me go anywhere.

joining us you're watching r.t. international. washington has announced the first round of sanctions against iran which it hopes will weaken the country's leadership president trump since threatened severe consequences for those who continue to trade with iran still not everyone seems to be on board and my colleague andrew farmer got details from r.t. samir khan and peter oliver. the first round of sanctions will take effect tuesday around midnight and from that moment on sanctions will prohibit iran from trading gold and other precious metals and fails of iranian automobiles will also be banned now the first round of sanctions will also ban iran's access to the u.s. dollar and place restrictions on its own currency but the worst is yet to come more sanctions are due to hit iran in november and those are specifically tailored to

bring iran's oil exports to zero now this should come as no surprise given that trump has been flamming the iran deal since its campaign days even though he didn't give in until much later finally withdrawing this past may a little over a year into his presidency they said it was ineffective in tailing so-called iranian aggression now not even his allies or the u.n. convinced him otherwise but trump also claimed that the agreement did not block paths to iranian nuclear ization which according to the u.n. is false even today u.n. monitors insists that iran is in full compliance with the deal the same deal that was lauded world over as a diplomatic breakthrough and believe it or not this past weekend trump bragged about crippling iran's economy via twitter of course his platform of choice when it comes to informing americans about policy decisions but several analysts and some iranians feel a bit differently. i believe the impact of sanctions on people's lives has been

very clear especially in the health sector the patience is one of the opportunities that are there for students to study abroad the impact has been negative and has reduced people power into. these sanctions are economic sanctions and they will impact the livelihoods of people the government after all can make adjustments to its budget but it's the people who bear the brunt i don't buy trump's line that these sanctions target the government these sanctions are being directly apply to the people but trump has stated that he's open to signing. new deal but it's doubtful that iran would want to sit down with the u.s. after recent events ok let's go to peter. because the e.u. has given quite a stern response isn't it to these sanctions well that's right it's fair to say that the european union and donald trump haven't seen eye to eye on a number of issues they fell out over the decision to move the u.s. embassy to jerusalem and in israel they fell out over donald trump's unilateral

move to pull out of the paris climate accord but it's his decision to pull out of the iran nuclear deal that upsets some of the biggest names in european leaders as well as in the among the diplomats and there was a communique issued well before this announcement that said the european union stance on the new tranche of sanctions was a unanimous no we are determined to protect european economic operators in legitimate business with iran this is why your opinions updated blocking statute enters into force under seventh of august to protect e.u. companies doing legitimate business with iran from the impact of u.s. extraterritorial sanctions so what is the blocking start to it well it was initially written into law back in one thousand nine hundred six it was designed to allow european companies to get around a u.s. blockade of cuba however it was significantly rewritten earlier this year to focus on iran what it means essentially is that european companies have to pay no heed to

sanctions against a country in which they're doing business say iran in this case and also that any courtroom in a foreign country based on those business dealings another fight in the eyes of the e.u. but put it this way with a hypothetical example say you're an e.u. car manufacturer and you've got yourself a toehold in a run maybe tens perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business that would be protected by the e.u. however the e.u. can't protect in another country. say the united states and say you that same you can manufacture and you do tens of billions of dollars worth of business in the u.s. well that business could potentially be penalized we haven't seen the e.u. blocking start to it ever fully interrupted we don't know how it's going to be received but certainly potentially a legal headache for some people far smarter than myself right now to be going through that however in response to this news from the european union there's been

a warm reception from tehran today the entire world has shown it disagrees with the u.s. policies against iran talk to anyone anywhere in the world and they will tell you that netanyahu trump and been some manner isolated not iran well the u.s. secretary of state might pompei i disagree strongly with that he says that the sanctions and needed against iran to bring them back to what he calls the table of normal nations we've got to behave like a normal country that's the ask is pretty simple we think that most other countries everyone with whom i spoke understood that they need to behave normally and they understand that this is a country that threatens them it would seem that those countries that secretary pompei i spoke to were not countries because this is where we stand at the moment the european union has issued its toughest legislation to protect companies doing business in iran essentially saying that they won't support u.s.

sanctions and they're going to do their best to try and keep the iran nuclear deal alive even without the united states. explain how to side mohammad marandi whose politics professor at the university of tehran welcome to the program does the fact that the e.u. isn't joining in with these sanctions that washington a proposed does that suggest that there's a big rift between the allies. yes there is a rift but as. your colleague pointed out earlier it's unclear how effective it will be i think that major companies will pull out of iran major european companies because they will be. afraid of being punished by the united states trump is behaving like a godfather and he is intimidating europeans and basically telling telling them that you have no authority i dictate terms and you abide by those terms by do you

think that smaller companies that don't have interests in the united states that they will continue to do business with iran the big question now is whether the you will have the capability to protect their oil imports from iran and to be able to send the money that iran earns through those exports back to iran in europe that's a key question for iranians at this stage seems to me like donald trump's using the carrot and stick approach but without the carrot suggesting you need deal with iran president rouhani has just said it's pointless if it's countries being sanctioned at the same time do you think there is the possibility of a new deal and it working out. well appeasing the regime in washington is not an option for the iranians. if for any reason the iranians at this stage except except to negotiate with trump that would basically

encourage the united states to increase their pressure because they'll think that their illegal behavior ripping up the agreement doing whatever they want ignoring the p five plus one in the international community all that works so the iranians believe that that will only make the americans more aggressive. on the other hand when the united states tears up an agreement that was negotiated for years and during those negotiations the iranian foreign minister and the u.s. secretary of state both under obama and tell us in under a trance they've been negotiating for many many hundreds of hours at least when this these sort of negotiations are simply thrown out the window by trump then there really is no reason to negotiate because who say that if we have an agreement in future with the with the regime regime in washington who's to say that the

united states is going to abide by those commitments so as until the united states pulls far from its current position and removes the sanctions in accordance with what was agreed agreed upon through the nuclear deal then i think that negotiations are impossible to us is saying that these sanctions are aimed weakening the iranian regime but in your opinion will they also hurt the iranian people. why i think from the very beginning the united states has been targeting ordinary iranians the united states is has very good relations with israel which we is now really officially an apartheid regime with the new laws it has very good relations with saudi arabia that exports extremism.