farid to recruit there's been leaders of all right who make no bones about the fact that they do identity politics for white people and in our universities in the united states and in europe. basically if you're a white kid you can either confess your privilege and condemn your white. collar what you have to do to be an ally to people of color and anyone else who's oppressed or you go off to the all right there's really no middle ground for any one who existed anymore and i that i believe that that is largely because of the militancy of these for a claim radicals on the left so what they're doing does of the purpose of the far right and vice versa every time the far right rears their heads the left goes oh see that's why we need to do what we do and we're going to double down on it and it becomes a cycle and they both kind of feed each other while most. people in society who

just want to live their lives are kind of caught in the middle you know i also heard that several universities in the u.s. have been offering housing gang creating learning communities for black students only my california state and the university of connecticut claim this. down to two they need to actually create safe environments for students of color what is that supposed to mean is this to come back of segregation. i doubt i'm not a fan of that approach i understand the reasoning behind it but. to me it really it takes agency away from black students it's saying that you don't have. the ability to exist in this society and have a voice in the society and determine your own future so here we're going to create this little safe space for you where you're not going to be subject to the white supremacy and it's done under this guise of compassion but what it really boils

down to is separatism and it doesn't serve the students like color that they're working with and it certainly doesn't help to mend any of the wounds in our society that we're definitely still reeling from after five hundred years of white supremacy i truly believe and i've seen this in person many many times over the past eight years as i've been working in peace building efforts is that people have every capability to calm and connect and recognize each other outside of the construct of race outside of other social constructs and have the ability to define their relationships about how they see other people when we retreat and say oh i can't be safe unless i'm wrong people who think like me look like me act like me if you're centrally going back to the same mindset that the neo nazis and you're just setting up a different camp and i don't think there's ever

a healthy thing for human beings and i don't think it's going to help anybody on these colleges anyway and take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue discussing what's behind rights of premises and movements in america with former school hat are now with callista stay with us. on the. limited. legal easy. on this edition of crossfire we discuss whether detente is possible even desirable why isn't it a good idea to get along with russia and much much more. i've

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we're back with former student had an author of my life after hate hour to mcallister discussing white supremacy movement and how people get attracted to this ideology welcome back our know now there was a poll conducted by the military times which sestet one for serving us military personnel have seen white supremacists and with their wings and consider it more dangerous than islam expat is there a neo nassif demick in the army. to my knowledge i believe it's certainly some of them that the military needs of paid more attention to in milwaukee work with a gentleman named party police father was murdered by a white power skinhead who was part of a gang that i'd helped to start along with five other people on august fifth two thousand and twelve the murderer whose name was wade page was radicalized in the

united states army so he went into the army nonaffiliated average white guy he came out in affiliated white supremacist and that led to his practice of hate and violence for over ten years that ultimately ended in a mass murder hate crime so i think the military needs to be accountable for that in many ways i work with a ton of brilliant middle military people who point out all the time that you invited to this military is one of the most multicultural organizations on earth and i believe that's true but i think that there is still space within the military for white supremacists ideology and organizations to give purchase and that that is certainly a huge concern that needs to be addressed so i was going through another survey by national public radio and did you ever know that five fifty five percent of white

people in america think that whites face racial prejudice i mean you have lost your temper with people of different skin color but have you ever felt racial prejudice yourself towards you. i think what we're seeing in the united states with like the survey that you cited is that as demographic changes the world changes change is an inevitable thing obviously people are going to hearken back to a time when white people had like blatant power and those days are past and they're never going to return white people will be a minority in the united states within a few decades and we've been a minority on the is the earth for many many years and this is the trend is going to continue to have further fewer and fewer white people the question is if we can heal from the wounds of white supremacy and come together as a human species during the process i believe we can all the work i'm doing is

toward that end but in order for everybody to get on board everyone concerned including people on the left is specially people who consider themselves social justice advocates and who want to build peace in our society need to. drop this idea of identity politics and stop seeing her differences as something that overrides or commonalities they hear someone who knows everything about hate when someone ran a hate crime yourself are a while. how do you recruit people where your math is different from the methods they use today. better to use exactly the same and it's all fear based it in my view when we were recruiting someone and might do was pretty internet so it was a lot of in person contacts and we would actually write each other on pen and paper and send it through the post but the conversations that are happening today are

they same ones that happened in my day and they're essentially when i would be to a white guy i would first of all i. i probe and see where he was added if he had children then i've kind of dial in on those children especially daughters and i would say oh you have a daughter what's going to happen to your daughter when all these blacks and mexicans are all run in a walk in our society what's they're going to come and get her and i would try to cultivate fear like that the primal fear of their parent has with their child is a danger and if i could just get a whiff of that i would be in on it and just keep the island and keep it in that until i started pressing the right buttons and this guy started thinking i need to listen to this guy i need to join this group and that's exactly what happens nowadays and interestingly is the exact same recruitment process where the far left for the so-called islamic state like all violent extremist groups will find that

fear point and then try to lead to you around leading you by the nose via that fear now back in those days you fran in a white supremacist metal outfit does music play a big role in recruitment and bring a lot of new people into the milind or is the white pride seen just preaching to the choir. white power music is absolutely essential it's essentially a means of practicing that ideology wherever you are i was brought into the white power skinhead subculture via a white bars in a band when i was already in like pomp and hardcore stuff and then i heard a band that had that same kind of music but their message was all the themes of the third reich talking about blooded soil and race and nation and it was very romantic and seductive and it made me feel powerful a baby feel like a rebel it made me feel like i'm fighting for this amazing cause and so it drew me

in and that's its first function is to attract you to that ideology and once you start buying into the ideology you you listen to this music going to daily basis whether you know it's headphones you played in the car it's just like if you if i were to have a cassette that learn how to speak russian and i fell asleep every night with it you know listening to this because said about teaching me how to speak russian it would eventually like dial the russian language into my brain and it would make the big it easier for me to learn that language if i'm listening to cassette every day that tells me why people are different than everybody else superior to everybody else and threatened by everybody else that becomes my reality because i become for miller with that ideology which means i'm not familiar with the truth of the verse it is a beautiful thing and that human beings are basically good in our experience as a basically good thing the practice of that music drives me away from the positive

truths of lives of life and towards all these negative laws like you mention twenty twelve member of they croupy and found eight killed six people in say temple wisconsin i that time you're completely on the opposite side you're no longer in the movement what did it feel like to you can't do you feel responsible for what happened. i feel very responsible i will never forget the day that that happened i was working as an i.t. consultant and doing the white server reagan stuff and i saw my social media feed has blown up and i'm kind of watching along as new things are coming in is it multiple shooters is it still going on how many people were killed and before it was announced the shooter was an affiliate it's a promise i had a sense that it was and that evening they did verify that but they didn't announce his name publicly so i said wonder was this someone that i had recruited was this

someone that i knew personally did i have a direct hand in bringing this person to the ideology that led to this horrific mass murder and i phone all the next day that it was someone i didn't know personally but he was very much exactly who i used to be he was part of the same gang that i had helped the star he was in white power bands i would be stunned if he wasn't a fan of my band and so i felt then as i do know that i helped create the environment that he came from and that absolutely drives a very dire urgency for me to try to make a positive impact in society and to make our communities places that are less susceptible to that kind of hate it when i'm looking at white supremacy movement today i can see that it's really branding itself it was all about the white k.k.k.

hood sarah shaven has before but now i mean this people they take pride in looking very presentable clean almost hipster like with mainstream and pale as someone from inside the club do you feel like it's only the image in the packaging that has involved or their ideas to. i yeah all of the dia yalit is a volved any it is ideology that is based on hate and violence and lies and fear it's got nowhere to evolve to it will never be anything more of them it will never be anything less than that so that the ideology is the exact same nowadays that these guys are or like their doc ciders and their polo shirts and or dockers and they look kind of ridiculous but i understand the outward image has changed but the era its packaging it's the product inside is the same it's just as weak it's just as wrong and it's just as harmful not only to society at large

but to the person who is practicing the use well what i feel like also the methods to fight this ideology are pretty questionable because every horrific massacre and the united states by a white supremacist and we see confederate flag spain taken down right and monuments to confederate soldiers being removed as symbol is of slavery but. if a flag or a statue is removed does that really makes would be terrorists hate people less i believe that we need to look at these statues and look at the context in which they were erected in charlottesville for sure the statue in question was put up in the one thousand twenty's as part of jim crow basically as this as a message to black people that say hey don't step on the line because this is what you know where we are virginia and you're not going to you're not going to cause trouble you're not going to. rock the boat as far as our status quo is concerned

and so statues like that that were erected with a direct message of white supremacy and and of intimidation of people of color should absolutely come down i believe they should be taken down and put a new museum where people can look upon our past and and remember of those days when when that was a government all. a-c. but i certainly don't think that this this excuse of heritage and. it is a valid excuse to punish the rest of society with such heinous ideas and their partisan hero where you can actually go to prison for a gnat's a salute or having a swastika but in america things like that are actually protected by the press amendment do you think it would help matters if america banned those things out lot those things. i do not not a proponent of. hate speech bans or the bans of aid

organizations and the reason why is because i cherish our first amendment here in the united states i cherish our constitution and i believe the purpose of the first amendment is this in many ways it's a pressure valve and it's if people can speak their minds and they have the freedom to do so that government isn't stopping them from do that it will deflect them from actually acting out in violence a great example of as right now is in scandinavia i do a lot of work in denmark as well as norway and i've been to sweden once but sweden has a far greater problem with white supremacy groups than denmark does in denmark the far right white supremacy gangs are virtually nonexistent there are not a threat in sweden there are roving gangs avoid power skinheads who attacked refugees burned on refugee hostels and the big differences in denmark freedom of speech is a priority just like it is the united states in sweden. the they have a

a further left attitude and hate speech is illegal and hate groups are illegal so they have all of these things but these laws have done nothing to stop the groups as a matter of fact they have inflamed the groups and i think. that would certainly happen here should our government. defy the constitution and make such a law so i have always a proponent of free speech and i think anybody who is needs to exercise their free speech to speak out against violence when it happens in our society and be mindful to do it in a positive way prove why the fears of the be united to the ideology are wrong by doing great things in a multicultural diverse setting raising money for a good cause coming together to serve people who need it that's the sense the walls are full of mass. carnage thank you very much for giving us this unique insight for

a talking to our enemy callous former skinhead now othar of my life after hate discussing white supremacy as in an america that's it for this edition of says ham kohout see you next. the americans are still in shock they're still dealing with the psychological damage in nine eleven they still need enemies they still unjustified they still are having troubles working through it meanwhile the rest of the world is a leapfrogging ahead.

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to do that to someplace in the city to the city in up to when it was muddled and such but that's all. it was of it down to the bottom says represented the screwfix that opened up was sick and the need for you to. now let's see some sympathy to the embassy according to father emanuel nothing happened. but why then was he shipped out of cameroon when he could have been posted to another diocese in the country. or another. in the millennium his new superior explains in the news. he doesn't know we're filming. a missile to. kill him it's all a bit if you believe the forces in the way it's all to know that. this is just a movie is the question i'll swallow you see. this. little

girl all. go for it it doesn't exist. on cut this earth or something really good and so the community of st john ship father emanuel off to pull money is so he wouldn't be anywhere near any kids. but when we leave the priory to posters catch our eye if tetris seinfeld it or and. a theater inside the priory. tell you if then that the painting drops. to create this all talk it up. at a loss of your status that's awesome but there is says it all. i think that's because of all the sets as it says of. the brothers. that's your teacher if a tornado is off topic but it is me that a minute i was the one feeling down it meant throughout it is all for the best.

after all this to ing and fro ing in the world of st john we had a few questions for the head of the community. on the case of virtue in cameroon but also on the other documents in our hands. the st john public relations director emailed us. dear sir we are prudent about the televised press especially when sensitive subjects are concerned after a long reflection we prefer to decline your request for an interview regarding the departure of the brothers from the cathedral imber to a we had any reason to believe that these rumors were ungrounded the same conclusion of the local police and justice obviously reached because they pressed no charges after their investigation i send you cordial greetings in my prayers not exactly a satisfactory reply. so we check up on the schedule of the head of the community of st john. is due to fly

to alibi i need the opiate today from the shelter gaulle airport outside paris. to wait for brother thomas york team with a sign to grab his attention. and it works. so that the law that i will sign is defines the guess as to distort the good to go raise. the level of school is that the loonies i. well should they all. take it live here it may have said often of these girls as all the fighting is a lot. this is like going to have a side of it it's a bust your butt on there can move those all over fifty people would be good for wonderful if but if you let you know i'm stuck with the sound off don't want to have to do than if i keep my coffee. and it was funny you know most businesses

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this. despite our frequent requests to the community of st john refused to grant us an interview. during our investigation we discovered other examples of the international transfer of priests accused of pedophilia. we could have chosen to tell you about this priest from new york who after being accused of sexual abuse by one young teenager was moved to jena. for this one with an international arrest warrant for sexually abusing children in france hanging over his head now when ref. huge in lebanon. for this one and italian want to force actually abusing eight boys transferred to mozambique. at the heart of the catholic church how many cases are there priests move from

country to country due to suspicion the sexual abuse on minors. we tried to have them up. over three months we contacted the main victims groups around the world. each gave us their list of transferred priests. then we called whistleblowers. tourney's. judges. and all cross-checked with local newspaper articles. we only took into account priests moved since one nine hundred ninety s. . there were so many cases we had to see this on the big screen. so we booked the biggest panoramic movie theater in paris. we compiled all of the data onto a map. to discover with us is far. more

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