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to eighty years behind bars for being part of an illegal armed group she won't actually go to jail until her youngest child turns fourteen and she's only one right now less than twelve months ago her life was old very different i was twenty nine when i left i went to turkey first with my husband i never thought i would end up there. within seven months as i did that was living in syria and pregnant with her third child she said as her husband had been drawn to islam and a better life. he told me it was safe to go there he said it wasn't how it was being shown that was no bonding he said no war but the reality turned out to be far more spin anything on t.v. they lived for two years in the city of top gun which at the times was under eisel control than they moved to rocca and she spent every day living in feet.
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so even my girl knew she was only eighteen years old but she could tell the difference what was coming an american her kids explain a fighter jet drone she could tell by the sound of it. what are they hiding yes well they either went downstairs or just simply stayed at home i took them out into the hole and we laid on the floor so that any shrapnel wouldn't hit us that good had struggles to share her story she tries to stay emotionally distant from the past and speaks quietly rarely looking into the camera she says she wanted to return home right from the start i told my husband that i want to go back but i couldn't live at the moment i started talking about it we had fights he told me if you want to leave leave but i will not let you take the kids away i knew he was able to do that he had that sort of character and i was afraid later on when they were living and rocca her husband was killed in a drone strike leavings i get a. it all alone with three children i started looking for ways to get out but it's
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not that easy you can't just leave that place it all has to be done in secret there are people that can sell you out trick i only talk to those who i knew well and one day i was told that there was this wrote that there was a way out. that claims she had no way dia the life she was leading would leave her on the wrong side of russia's anti terror laws. i stayed at home all the time i had my children i had no time for anything else i was at home taking care of my kids. she was one of the seven women and fourteen children brought back to russia in the autumn twenty seventeen as part of a companion organized by chechen officials to repaginate the families of men who went to fight with islam it terrorists. i am very grateful to everyone who helped launch this conveying to save many women and children. but while they were lucky to
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escape from the war in syria and put a rival in grozny she was detained by police three months later she was convicted and sentenced for being part of an illegal armed group. and while the law she broke is designed to help thwarted terror attacks some people argue that family members of radicalized individuals should not be targeted. these people need rehabilitation they need to be close to their family members under the care of their mothers they're under huge dress and prison will not help them it will only meet the more harsh i believe it's wrong to put them behind bars for now is that good at leaves with her mother in dagestan she has to report to the police every month and can't leave the region it's difficult for both her and her brother to find work as they're on the official police list. it means they will have to get
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by on their mother a small salary as a post office worker despite all this they could add sas she's just happy to see her children safe underground i was literally suffering that because i was unable to provide food for my children he told me constantly mom we are hungry they were colliding. and now he says in a country let's go to the merry go round would let's go to the seaside we always go everywhere don't do now we go everywhere. mummy's heart and so my lovely who say fuck. it was you. mention the question artie dagestan. with the question of how to treat so-called ice cold wives proving divisive we have started to debate the issue with our guests. this shouldn't be allowed to return home they have left the safety of this country and gone away to fight with. whatever you want to call on should not be allowed back into this country what are
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they going to do when the come back here you know we've got enough people in our prisons now radicalized in our if you brick a law especially criminal laws in england and you break it somewhere you can actually charge but that charge has actually to stand in court we are not responsible for the actions of their husbands or their or their kids or their son in the book. as a terrorist this is not their responsibility their made that decision now to share that they went out there didn't know what they were going out there told didn't know what the husband was door and ridiculous there was radical they've got out there if the culture that they're in at the moment has a death sentence so be it that's up to them but we cannot just charge anyone because we look we think she what he was she was a wife who she knew about everything she could not make a decision some of them were soldiers some of the were recruited yes we agree on
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this but let's differentiate between and isn't and being who has been a terrorist and who's been a criminal this is very critical because we want to go the cycle of violence and all of the. and all of these however in our belts their make their own decisions on life. shed so their wives where there was going was you went out shopping once you were not. a holiday i tell you i don't know where i go and i am rationing on exactly what was going on there i give an example he tells his wife we go into a trip on holiday to turkey ok this is where you this how we started sometimes we are going to a trip holiday to turkey to south of turkey in turkey you are stuck we are going to syria why because this is what islam is asking us to this is what we have to fight you are my wife you have to listen to me if not i would divorce you and you have no papers how are you going to turn back home if you take your why. to rocco or places like this i need to take you past what away from you how are you going to turn home seriously well that they're going to turn out so i don't want to know why they
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should not allow me to tell them that think that when i think about the money that's going to the brain i would not allow that they're made that decision now just says that they went out there didn't know what they were going out that show didn't know what the door and they shout so ridiculous there was radicalized they've gone out that if the culture that they're in at the moment has a death sentence so be it that's up to them they have made that decision they've gone out that we do not want these people back here a series looking at the fallout of russian families going to fight in syria continues on friday with a look at people still trying to locate friends and relatives who pledged allegiance to i still it was on monday that we showed you the story of two russian sisters found in an iraqi orphanage you can now watch that in full on r.t.c. what you.
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seem wrong but. just don't. get to see. that. and it. equals betrayal. when some find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. what politicians do you should. put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be president. some want.
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to go right to the press this is what the three of them or people. interested in the war. is good have you with us today damned if you do damned if you don't that's the predicament of european companies trading with iran and they're caught in the crossfire of a war between brussels on washington over a new us sanctions targeting tyrone with punishment awaiting companies whether they comply or not if you companies abide by us secondly sanctions they will in turn be sanctioned by the european union iran sanctions have
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officially been cost these are the most biting sanctions ever imposed and in november they ratchet up to yet another level anyone doing business with iran will not be doing business with the united states i'm asking for world peace nothing less the u.s. government really imposed sanctions on iran after it pulled out of the international nuclear deal and the first round of sanctions restrict iran's trade in dollars and precious metals it also punishes countries that use the iranian reale when trading with iran a financial analyst i shall be at it as very he says the new sanctions pose a dilemma for major corporations. the situation that's developing is that on the one hand companies would be penalized by usa for doing business in the iran and at the same time if they're follow their diktats from washington the potential of those companies being penalized in the european union so it puts these companies in
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a very difficult situation but this i think is only applicable to the very large multinational corporation is that have exposure to different regions perhaps the semi sector this is a small to medium enterprises that are operating in the european union didn't want to do trade with iran and because they have no exposure possibly with their u.s. market therefore they'd be able to stand up and continue doing business with iran. it's been ten years since the war between russia and georgia broke out after georgia attacked the autonomous region of south asserting back in two thousand and eight the russian army intervened after five days of a full scale conflict and over fourteen hundred civilians killed a cease fire agreement was reached and in fact russian troops remain in the region to this day acting as peacekeepers however the u.s. sees it as an occupation our position on the russian occupied georgia regions of
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a cause here and also south is unwavering that remains unwavering today the regions are part of georgia they are not part of russia and the united states continues to support josh georgia's sovereignty its independence and also its territorial integrity despite western politicians putting the blame on russia for the two thousand and eight year war the e.u. was fact finding mission establish that georgia was in fact the one who initiated the conflict however it also states that both sides violated international law in our new documentary we recall the most tragic moments of the conflict for now a quick preview there you can watch it unfold a bit later today. oh my i'm not trying. to. soften the gripe you got in this the past.
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is not so. much are you going to do. this you know you're solution this is her little sister this is. closing. the she should all of. them. at double the last. ready to leave class and would she stood up to. eat. the table to get an order to feel well this is a good thing you know i'm going to. buzz difficult and all that i'm not up. here in the mainstream media they reported that rush started the conflict and said nothing
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about soccer surely opening fire on the night at the beginning of the olympics in beijing a couple years after the war i believe that eventually other countries would learn to recognize that georgia was at fault in this war especially after the european commission came out and said that georgia started the war and i was very disappointed that they didn't however shortly after the conflict broke out the western media was quick to jump to conclusions. georgia's president says russia is attacking his country dropping bombs and moving tanks into georgian territory russia's attacks keep coming to surprise georgia saying it's withdrawn from self a city or the georgians can do nothing. moscow's actions illustrate its content to the content nation and criticism. i want
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you to know who to blame for all of the uneasiness conflicts and that said mr saakashvili who started you smaller and mr saakashvili who he's going to show and tell cells and people who feel to you one day and guess what and guess what i would never tell you that unfortunately a commercial break will take us there in four seconds whether we do i don't know that you don't know you don't want to hear step. is situated some twenty minutes drive from solve a city and the russian troops us t. that is a suit to them not crossing i mean history to border and your news here at r.t. international thank you for sharing your time with us though plenty more to bring your way in about twenty five minutes you can join us then.
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truth seems wrong. but old rules just don't hold. any old belief yet to shake out this day to come out to it and in detroit because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.
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i'm afshin rattansi we're going underground twenty four hours ahead of controversial u.k. government security contractor g four s. announcing profits bolstered by lucrative contracts from the ministry of justice currently facing unprecedented strike action from the cleaning staff coming up in the show strike action in london an arguable kidnapping of a u.k. doctor on the high seas and this week's pay roll this and more coming up in today's going underground but first was u.s. back to colombia as venezuela alleges behind an attempted assassination over the weekend i don't know not a bit of chemical no mika in that sense the. british
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newspapers like the guardian appeared to question whether it was some kind of hoax but then outlets like channel four news in the state mandated b.b.c. have continued to promote regime change in venezuela or arguably where internationally monitored elections recently secured victory for president but during his donald trump secretary of state when he was his boss at the cia any time you have a country as large and with the economic capacity of a country like venezuela america has a deep interest in making sure that it is stable as democratic as possible and so we're working hard to do that i am. always careful when we talk about south and central america in the cia there's a lot of stories. could that media laughter at the aspen security summit really be referring to cia interference in the americas that even included backing for groups linked to the assassination of a soon to be saint archbishop ranariddh with celebrating mass in the chapel of the hospital of divine providence where he lived he must have noticed drawing up at the
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door of the church a marksman came out of the car and took aim and fired directly at the archbishop the defacto cia back killing of el salvador's archbishop romero is just one instance among many in the americas that can be traced to washington today though there is no proof of a direct link between the trumpet ministration and what appeared to be a weekend drone assassination attempt on president maduro in fact u.s. customs data between february and june shows an increase in venezuelan oil exports to the usa a forty three percent it's clear what washington wants though i want to be careful what i say but if i say we we are very hopeful that there can be a transition in venezuela and we the cia is doing its best to understand the dynamic there so that we can communicate to our state department and to others the colombians i was just down in mexico city and in bogota week before last talking about this very issue trying to help them understand the things they might do so
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that they can get a better outcome for their part of the world and our part of the world if donald trump's now secretary of state wasn't directly contravening the u.n. charter that the u.k. government not only appears to support the pompei or narrative it uses it to taint the labor leader jeremy corbyn with the oil rich media maligned nation of venezuela iraq general general and the leader of the opposition asked me what money i was on and what we all know what planet he in his shadow chancellor on this planet venezuela of course theresa may and her supporters that learn the blairite of the labor party do not only change our recall been for. opposition to nato nation backed regime change retained him by his support of international law when it comes to palestine while u.k. media was arguably trying to triangulate corbin's opposition to israeli policies with anti semitism a freedom flotilla drive to break israel's illegal siege of gaza to deliver humanitarian supplies one of those on the floor delivers dr swe own the first ever female orthopedic interim a consultant surgeon to be appointed it's
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a bottle of the royal london hospitals she joins me now doctors we welcome to going underground while in britain the talk is of jeremy corbin's alleged semitism there's been something called the freedom flotilla and you are all of the freedom flotilla a little ball that's yards or in this case a fishing boat sailing into gaza as you know gaza has been under military blockade sealing it off for twelve years illegal under international yes and this blockade has resulted in the fishermen not being able to fish nets and not being able to go in and the people in gaza suffer the loss well so we know what happened all the ship in the international waters i understand must boarded the ship europe yes on the twenty ninth of july at about twelve thirty one we received a telephone call from the number accusing us of violating israeli water but we know we did not because we were in international waters so all the person
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that was driving the boat say no we are in international water and we have the right of innocent passage we are not heading for israel at all we've got no business with israel and it went on for a while and then israeli warships three of them with lots of soldiers on it and the five thought it was aiming for all our bolt and then a body at the lower deck and came out and threw everybody into the back of the upper deck and then went straight for the wheel house where the boat is stopped the engine. broke into the wheel house took down the flag and trample on the norwegian flag and then they couldn't start the engine again so they beat up the captain to force him to start the engine but i woulda and other means return i want to remind your audience that this is the seventieth year of the palestinian not bomb is a catastrophe our the army's return to calculus being beaten was being beaten it's
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not the ball that i would as it were the israeli ambassador to london all that i mean that israelis are the ship was about and without incident. that the captain that you're saying was beaten disobeyed israeli orders to stop sailing to go they beat up the captain to stop the boat so that they can hijack the boat to ashville which is really part the kept actually couldn't stop the boat because all the region fishing boat the only way to restart it is to engineer to go down into the engine room and started manually the engineer is seventy years old. and he refused to do it so they brought the captain down and hit him really hot in front of me with the engineer and when the engineers saw the captain going in white and pale he gave up and saw that the bull and then the israelis took over the steering and drove straight. to all and took us please that is calling it a kidnapping because they were in jail the. zip code being used because i'm the
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doctor so what happened was that they tasered you see we spent two days learning how to be nonviolent when we attack so they brought to all our civil defenses people holding ten to block the soldiers and it is just that people are going through them and that history off the crew was an participants got tasered including one of them who states that in the neck and head and they were tight with . plastic hot and really tight and one of them i said a police cut this i'm a doctor he's going to get gang green very soon if you continue that. finally after about half an hour for the my five minutes it did they didn't injure you though they did just push me around that's ok i'm small enough so you push me out for their self i so reports of racism. yes because you know they would believe that i'm british british don't look like that even in prison you know when finally we we
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were taken to a closed military zone where with strip search multiple times had all our belongings taken away from us including our medicines and everything and finally put in prison and the prison wardens just wouldn't call me by my name the economy china and these china come here china i'm not talking to you you shut up i'm talking to her you know like that so finally when the british consul came and he said you all england i say well you can call that you know ok from then on they call me england and the treatment became a little bit better so that's the way they you got your clothes but no no no no no my my luggage was cut open they took everything they took my tool mobile phones like camera they took all my clothes i don't know what they wanted my clothes were british authorities they're debilitating it was they can do anything. the britain's closest allies in the middle east i don't know so that i have an empty suitcase
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they took all the medicine in my suitcase because in fact these medicines are for the participants we have a separate lot of donations mainly for gaza about things going eighty eight i don't know what happened to it but my personal medicine which i i have for the people on all n.t. my clothes were taken away i don't want to wear this black skirt this is a duplicate where the blouse is all gone but to be fair they left one t. shirt for me so that when i got my suit case i got a second t. shirt you see because that has got three guards on it so they left it and i got nothing so in prison i got the same t. shirt on for four days though you knew when you got on the boat that in a few years ago a limo we were tethered to this were killed yes by israeli forces israel offered apology twenty million dollars compensation to turkey how could you go on this boat knowing that on previous little there's activists have been killed of course there's a element of fear but. all of us all went on the boat know well that there is an
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element of real danger but i think our solidarity and our love for the palestinians and our love for justice. rises above our personal fear and that's what we're doing what would you do for losing my family of course react to you know big time you know we have to nominate our next of kin when you go on like that and i know i cannot nominate i the most is still my brother because when they receive better news i don't think i handle it so i nominated a gaza family to be my next of kin because for the palestinians were constantly being persecuted be killed when they receive better news about me it might hurt them they might be so upset but they are strong people so day will be able to handle it and support my family so my next of kin actually palestinians from gaza people whom i love so much because i always waiting you know that the lady will not need to be my next of kin was born when her father was being tortured in israeli prison. her father has been in prison four times and this time he refused to leave
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gaza even when the ramadan checkpoint was open because he suspect that there will be another big assault on gaza he wants to be there with his people and as a british citizen to know that britain is arming israel since you mention the twenty four team goes a war we are at record high levels of a billion dollars worth of british what we are prepared to be a move ahead by a british weapon from your own country. the british government and the british manufacturer that's what they like for money we the people of britain like that people from all over the world well put our life on the line on on the line to stand with our press people we have done that for centuries and it's our duty to do it if we are killed by a british. i regret being killed that way but that will not stop me from standing up i just want to make this very clear if you know palestine if you know the injustice if you know what the palestinians are like and you love them like the way
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out of them i'm quite sure more and more young people all of the will begin to wake up to the fact that this is one of the best black history of the twentieth and twenty first century allowing a people to be slaughtered to be dispossessed to be ethnically cleansed before one ice and telling lies about them you know people has a strong sense of justice and people will stand up for justice maybe by the next i might be too old to go on it in a sense that i might be a handicap to everybody around but i'm quite sure many others will do that thank you. yet most welcome after the break we are not the good sweet green we speak to the general secretary of united voice of the world watching day striking for more pay in one of the richest areas in europe although similar going on but you're going up the ground.
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america was never great was founded on the rape in the murder. nothing changed so we said in. response to these situations that we deal with. people get shot every other day she is just people killing each other blacks are killing children. so it was just no way that people are going to just sit back and allow children to be shot down law enforcement. this country doesn't work for us it doesn't function for us. this this can't be happening in america we call from the streets we've got to deal with why this is
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