because we won so that we need in fact we self that we need that the first of october. and we can negotiate about these referendum ok and political the gradation of independence of the twenty seventh of october by an agreed referendum from the spanish government is this could be a solution but let me be clear about what you're saying you're saying that if the worst to be an agreement about having a referendum some point in the future which was acknowledged and accepted as legal and binding by the spanish government then you would be prepared to put aside all the sessions made today with regard to the previous level and this is resin of all deal i think for trying to solve this issue politically as we agreed that is the incentive for myself the case of a pretty short shrift pretty negative reaction from the leadership of most

european countries and from the european union institutions do you think that that is say by the spirit as a loyal european union member and the european commission doesn't cross a loyal european member we know how difficult it is to be new or state in a war in a war of ace of course we know we know how many sacrifices. people should do in the future if we want to be in the logically but we know as well the real politik how we how how we do so if we had that immediate to be independent if we really have strength have that i mean asian have. you know even the name to to to suffer the sacrifices that probably we will have to do to be independent then i don't have any doubt that at the end

european union should accept catalonia. member of the scrap of states and finally mr president you said something very important which was that the case for independence for self-determination and increasingly moved on to be a community case about democracy about participation in contrast which many would see as the defects of the spanish political system and indeed other political systems elsewhere be yourself have been criticized in the past for writings which were apparently objectionable to catalans with a spanish orientation. what can you do because you know the president of all of catalonia what can you do to unite opinion across catalonia to say this democratic dream that we have this participated the more crecy is a substantially superior vision and inclusive of all people in catalonia i

used to say same freedom that they won for catalonia i wonder same for for the spanish people and now freedom in the very. means republic so. i hope that soon republic of catalonia and the republic of spain should meet together a fact having on the. thing that this is the best future for all of us well i can't determine the future mr president but what i can do is offer you something to talk they know it very well this is a quick. for a loving cup you know the drill. only scotch whiskey not. always citizens of cattle we think you are thinking you know i'd like you for that

it's the reason i want to thank you. of course political opinion is divided in catalunya coming up after the break i'll be interviewing mikhail etc i campaigned against independence and leader of the cattle out of socialist albion few mchale and of those on this dramatic political stage. and indeed this is the. church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally i like to call this the geographic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to

a different spot were the previous standards not not the highest ranks of the catholic church help conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that. i think you're. welcome back to boston and his grandson own doings of the palace of the general

a tat of catalonia we've heard from your president. now we're going to hear from the leader of the catalan socialists who has a different perspective on the national question and catalonia again welcome. thank you for having me. your party position as you're opposed to catalan independence but equally you are very unhappy with the government the popular party government's response last year to the catalan raffle. why are you opposed to tattle on independence i don't see that to separate from spain would be any good for catalonia because i can be great. throughout they belong in spain and in the european union i don't believe that as more country is difficult world would be would survive better alone so the force last year when you witnessed

scenes that we saw all round the world what was your thought as the as the socialist leader in catalonia well i was very worried about the breaking of the rule of law that dependence parties falls upon everyone and i was also very concerned about the. the no response the non political response of the popular party and the worst day of this period was the first of october when the popular party decided to go against a referendum by using the police force upon people that wanted to vote and you must address the issue telling the pro independence people did you see another way to reach your go and to be better together we've been lucky enough to have a change granting the government of spain and the new government. of the socialist parties has i'm willing to engage into

a political dialogue i think it's no good also what is your message to your party colleague senior sanchez the new prime minister spain as the dialogue he should initiate with the leaders of cattle there won't be any solution then can't be voted by the catalan people. i think their vote mustn't be on independence money to what in the devil max solution we would like to see spain to develop into a federal state. and i think in this way we can find this solution for a majority of people and so set up plot i mean are you going to try and reset the clock back to two thousand and ten is that a way forward or is there some other rabbit you could pull i don't see that wouldn't be enough because for many people to go back is not really a good solution but i think we have a problem of having more government

a better financing. position to influence into a spanish politics bigger that we have now as catalan people and that's why we feel that we. need just a reform of the catalunya statute of dawn on me but also reform of the spanish because he tuition at the end i think it's the only way out of this problem of. many political systems across the world is very unusual to have that number of people on the streets whatever the point of view i mean that is a sign of a very very politically active and aware community yes i think i'm not for independence but i've always our knowledge the capacity of the problem dependence people to put up these marches and in these grassroots organization they they've done things very good and very peacefully and i think that's why we can

find a peaceful and through dialogue solution again thank you very much for the interview now i can't come up for two to solve the catalonia issue but i can present you with the well examined question you know the drill only scotch in the quick and rolled oh you're close friends thank you very much very nice thank you for the interview so i say here's one i'm very delighted to be joined by ella said the pollution. of the. catalan national assembly welcome for the likes i will show us the thank you very much for inviting me to this hell your campaign organization a civic organization quite apart from the political parties that must be quite a balancing act not not to become favoring one party over another because of a number of parties who support. independence for cattle yeah this rule for the catalan national assembly is quite complicated both externally and internally

because the political parties for independence in catalonia are very diverse we have three main groups and several parties and catherine national assembly has to be independent of all of them and at the same time try to push their political agenda for agreements to get the objective of in the band and whips of all of the catalan national assembly line know what should key source of activities the political party at present most of our agenda has been centered in the last months in showing support and solidarity to the political prisoners and the exiles like raising money for their families and holding them one stray sions asking for their freedom the other people who are in person or in exile. they been from the political parties who were the ministers office be those in the parliament as

opposed or do you have some of your own members are members in jail the only thing out of the question of the sanchez as president of catalan national assembly and the new call to all that was organizing the yes campaign and and holding organizing peaceful demonstrations in the streets of catalonia and how about your future activities for the national assembly how do you see the politics and the constitution of of catalunya playing out over the next. yes i think that the political repression is giving asked more arguments in our fight for self-determination and independence so i think that international political opinion . must be is going to be more prepared to understand why catalans want independence than they were in the past so how did you see this as president

of the catalan national symbol how do you see that. the struggle continuing how do you see the politics of can you see a light at the end of the tunnel can you see a route or a strategy that will get you to watch an objective of independence i think that we have to be persistent we have to be coherent we have to work a lot we have to be intelligent and we will get it in the end in the pants i don't know this is a quick you know the drill scores of the scotch whisky i don't think will be because of the pastoral your entire demonstrations but thank you so much for being on the mix thanks for inviting us thank you very much. i delighted to be joined by alice smart a guy they knew cathal on foreign minister minister you had the stigmas career in socialist politics and yeah. before you move to the republican left can you tell us a bit about that transition in your thinking that i'm in that have changed that i

am still a socialist many in and in all the senses you're going to imagine it's the socialist party interests agents that have been always socialist but also the taiwanese to come in as the new foreign minister and it situation. i would buy one of your early priorities is the go with the spanish government to secure the release of the the ministers and others who have been present there would be a priority for you. i think we have how to save three main fields and two to walk in and we have these are the first one and more about this freedom democracy freedom it includes obviously the liberty from our prisoners and also from our lease i think it's a precondition for any kind of dialogue we could. begin with this punishing government by you have also. the field of not realize i'm saying we have to achieve

freedom only within we have two not three and i was but one thing you know about both those of reaching and. possibly to do they say about our future as a country it's got the. another demo have to go and we have to build the country and do it and to support it. with the new socialist government in madrid it will at least be possible to establish a dialogue which wasn't possible with the government of secure a hole in the shoes of the which is the content of these dialogue because probably they would be able to just leave me the content of their. to the to the theft of the fields but we can not accept this without advancing and say that i mean the war the real issue is the freedom of the freedom and democracy and and several government and the right to self-determination brussels and finally minister you

have substantial experience in the politics of european institutions yeah. i think the company's in will be an issue as it's called one means to detect an irony that cattle just to be part of the european whole mess frame it very difficult to get in the europeans just as well even if the kingdom which voted at least by a majority to to leave the not just is finding it very difficult to leave a sort of irony and then assume that you meant to. a jew is called these people who join us in the pro you will be in approach new will be in union minister i wish you well in your endeavors and to help you in the way i present you with the alex i mean quick. you know the drill well whiskey only scotch in only which only scotch no other whiskey what's in. your body for this is not a thank you very much i think it's the zone. the

gratitude of the surroundings on the palace of the generality that of catalonia should not disguise the fact that is still a feeble political atmosphere the vast majority of catalans want the right to determine their own future even if they are divided on what that decision and determination should be we've had from the new president about his strategy for the chief in his dream of an independent republic there is a new prime minister in madrid that is going to be a dialogue but whether that becomes a meaningful dialogue or just a dialogue of the deaf remains to be seen one thing is certain catalunya still has the capacity to astonish the world so for myself and all of the alex salmond show it's good bye for now one of the features of the catalonian

constitutional debate has been the contribution of leading academic economists in next week's show we feature some of these what are you going to congress both liberal and progressive who have been active in the political dialogue of cattle lieut. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. who have the most just as they would a simple they want to become lost and i want to ask some just about what many of

them look for refuge in the so-called sentry sides of the draft used to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities the last person i asked dan commom. was you know no avail but at the time i get i mean a lot less than the one that. they have or what are they all choose to stay in the country with donald trump in the white house. rules. also if you do you can be about to do. a sit sit scramble for many couples won't. deal with trump the push to put impulse response rules both on hold for a few upwards of a few of the multiple. it's only natural that baby boomers are in vote for a policies that help down i house price boom to stock price things and different franchise to bottom you know age groups but this one zero zero. tough luck buddy get a job kids get a job. there's

always top headlines here on our feet the u.s. slaps fresh sanctions on russia over the script poisoning in the u.k. the state department saying it is determined that moscow is responsible for the use of a chemical weapon against its national. facebook relies on nato and u.s. funded experts to tackle foreign influence on its platform we take a look at how the state is tightening its grip. social media networks. and the u.s. invites the head of wiki leaks to testify on alleged russian meddling in the twenty sixth the election.

morning now on thursday august of ninety or at moscow this is r.t. international a very warm welcome to you the u.s. has announced it is imposing new sanctions on russia it's over the poisoning of double agent sort of his career fallen his daughter in the u.k. back in march ultimately saying it holds moscow responsible. the united states six two thousand and eighteen determined that the government of the russian federation has used chemical biological weapons against its own nationals. and all to the joining us live in the studio on this conversation has so the new sanctions coming up from washington what other well despite no new evidence coming to light the u.s. wants to impose new sanctions on russia and this is in regard to the poisoning of former double agent paul and his daughter back in march now these sanctions are

going to be implemented in two sets it's being reported that the first would ban licenses for the export of sensitive national security goods to russia like electronic items for example and these kind of exports have been previously allowed on a case by case basis but the second round of sanctions contain more severe measures so this is like the prohibition of u.s. bank loans the temptation of carrier landing rights which could affect flights from russia to the u.s. and further restrictions on exports and imports as well but the u.s.'s that the second round of sanctions will come into effect and that russia quote provides reliable assurances that it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to on site inspections by the u.n. however it was twenty seventeen that the international community and the o.p.c. w confirmed the destruction of all chemical weapons in russia exactly the chemical weapons watchdog confess and verified that destruction had taken place and the last

of these was done in september two thousand and seventeen but we're still waiting to have evidence as to why the sanctions are being imposed now and the u.s. has already implemented measures if you remember they expelled around sixty russian diplomats in the spring but when questioned at a press conference the state department didn't mention any reasoning as to why these sanctions are taking place with this because of new evidence or old evidence that let's take a listen to what he had to say. where are you getting the conclusion that rush is behind this creep are poisoning i will leave it to others to characterize the current state of our understanding of the scruple affair we've been very clear that we agree with the assessment that it was a agent and that the perpetrator was ultimately the russian federation i'll leave it to others to give those kinds of details of what we currently understand obviously from reading the press it appears that their investigation is ongoing in terms of the scope and nature of the details and of its implications but i'll leave

that to others. so the what from the u.s. officials that were all leave it to others to give the details so whether the u.s. wants the u.k. to disclose the evidence behind the attack remains to be seen and the u.s. is now getting behind its reasoning at the moment issuing fresh sanctions but without the fresh reasoning and all the while the russian officials here the russian ministry is saying we continue to walk for an open and transparent investigation of this but it seems that it seems that russia is just being i don't brick walls of stone walls on this they're not really even being allowed to be a part of this entire investigation and yet the investigation there it is no real official response to russia from it and all we still relying on the basis of the u.k. is evidence that the conclusion still remains quote highly likely exactly yes the u.k. voice stood by that stance that it was highly likely that russia was behind the attack saying only russia have the motives the means and the record to tug the script out

of but moscow has repeatedly denied any involvement and offered cooperation as well on the investigation which london has repeatedly denied but so far we know that the chemical weapons washed off the a.p.c. w. porton down haven't been able to confirm the origin of the nerve agents. we know or verify the precise source but we provided the scientific information to the government but you have not been able to establish at porton down that this was made in russia as i said it's our job to provide eight you know the scientific evidence that identifies for that particular and their future and theirs but it's not our job to go and see where that actually was my the facts are typically your not tell you to look cool down to say where it is from we haven't yet been able to do that not the. analysis nor the p.c. w.'s report i did too far as the country. of origin of the agent used

in this attack. so u.k. officials insist they that the task of porton down was just to identify the nerve agent and not determine the origin but we do know that you know we talk coming made in multiple countries but i was as of now we're left with a highly likely stance from the u.k. with the u.s. issuing a fresh round of sanctions and we haven't really seen a new information come to light regarding the script case but this mound of sanctions now will be imposed on or around the twenty second of august very quickly the u.k. prime minister's office has welcomed this new batch of u.s. sanctions on russia the russian embassy calling these measures draconian and again for the umpteenth time saying can we please be involved in the investigation all right and he says i thank you. well we spoke to a former u.s. diplomat jim just trusts he says these new sanctions a very little to do with the script. i would go so far to say that the u.s.

government like the british government knows very well that the russians were not responsible for this and this is this is a political demand this is designed to undercut the overtures from the trump administration for president trying to warm relations with moscow with russia and this is a way to undercut that by making accusations against russia that are not only false but there's no way they can disprove president trump would like to have a good relationship with russia i think political ploy to conduct centrally a kind of warfare against russia and i think that people in the kremlin know that i think they know there is nothing they can do nothing they can say that would satisfy these demands. facebook could have closer ties to washington than previously thought is now a most of the platform is relying on experts funded by branches of the u.s. government and nato when it comes to tracking foreign influence is a correspondent in a patrol. how's that for a mark zuckerberg nightmare he or his steam in front of

a horde of suits go and sort these russian bots out sort out the fakes sort them out or did i just paint a good picture of the reality web giants of been facing lately in the past election you. we've seen how foreign actors are abusing social media platforms those images that can be attributed or associated with the russian company lack of resources a lack of commitment and a lack of genuine effort the likes of zogby could have proudly said we're just a platform where independent and sorting out what you call fakes is none of our business but when wall street alarm bells are ringing you know how it can happen with the stocks it could be better to zip it and focus on an intense year. see if we stick to be the tough year began with. them the trick was to

boost them the trick was to boost posts with let's say pics of your friends cat and sideline all that politics related media stuff haha they say this lead to less views likes and comments under donald trump's posts move it on facebook has evolved from policing offensive content to policing news views ideas it can be anything apart from your friends if people flag them as potential hoaxes we send those to fact checkers and if those factors that is provably false then we will significantly reduce the distribution of that content why do you want to just say get off our platform will look as a horn to some of this content can be i do think that it gets down to this principle of giving people a voice eventually though the get off our platform way to sort things out still prevails. ok and now it's time to meet the fact checkers journalists have found

them in a tiny room at these guys' h.q. got it at the end of the day facebook's not so happy with that online policeman's hat so zuck and co are outsourcing the digital share locks i'm being serious that's what they call themselves who are let me check where they come from. linked to nato with their help thirty two suspicious pages have already been sorted out the big ship is not turned around overnight takes a while but i think that the if no give them some opportunity to work with them and i hope that in the months when we have at least three other platforms in that we will see. a willingness to collaborate with us to come up with a solution bravo and it's not just facebook for doing just as great one question though since already most americans head to social media to get their news.