european union should accept catalonia as a member of the scrap of states and finally mr president you said something very important which was that the case for independence for self-determination and increasingly moved on to be a community case about democracy about participation in contrast which many would see as the defects of the spanish political system and indeed other political systems elsewhere be you yourself have been criticized in the past for writings which were apparently objectionable to catalans with a spanish orientation. what can you do because you know the president of all of catalonia what can you do to unite opinion across catalonia to see this democratic green that we spoke to ocracy is a substantially superior vision and inclusive of all people in catalonia i

used to say same freedom that they won for catalonia i wonder same for for the spanish people and now freedom in the very. means republic so. i hope that soon republic of catalonia and the republic of spain should meet together a flattering on the. thing that this is the best future for all of us. well i can't determine the future mr president but what i can do is offer you something to toast i know they know it very well this is a quick scots gallic for a loving cup you know that real whiskey only scotch whiskey nothing else will do. and then road all the citizens of cattle will think you are thinking you know i'd like you for that if there was this one thank you. of course political opinion is

divided and cattle are coming up after the break i'll be interviewing the cattle etc i campaigned against independence i'm leader of the cattle i have socialists i'll be in a few mchale and other on this dramatic political stage. both . of us. last time we chased. each one of them carrying twenty philos of drugs.

first offense to. believe that they just the boy. is the friend we have remained. they have this is the this is for me. even if. i don't see it for no maybe they'll get a make or. break right. now more. shows seem wrong why don't we all just don't hold. me to these yet to see how it just being becomes active. and engaged in equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look

for common ground. this is. a church secret indeed priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it quite literally i like to call this the geographic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to a different spot where the previous standard was not the highest ranks of the catholic church conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system.

itself. welcome back to these grandson own doings of the policies of the general of catalonia we've heard from your president. now we're going to hear from the leader of the catalan socialist who has a different perspective on the national question and catalonia again welcome. thank you for having me. your party position as you're opposed to catalan independence but equally you are very unhappy with the government the popular party government's response last year to the referendum by your paws to cattle on independence i don't think that to separate from spain would be any good for.

great. throughout the long spain and in the european union i don't believe that as more country is difficult. world who would survive better than alone so the force last year when you witnessed scenes that we saw all round the world what was your thought as the socialist leader in catalonia well i was very worried about the breaking of the rule of law that dependence sparky's falls upon everyone and i was also very concerned about the. the no response the non political response of the popular party and the worst day of this period was the first of october when the popular party decided to go against a referendum by using the police force upon people that wanted to vote and you must

address the issue telling the pro independence people there is another way to reach your go and to be better together we've been lucky enough to have a change granting the government of spain and the new government. of the socialist parties has i'm willing to engage into a political dialogue i think it's the good ol so what is your message to your party colleague senior sanchez the new prime minister spain as the dialogue he should initiate with the leaders of cattle there won't be any solution then can't be voted by the catalan people. i think their vote mustn't be on independence money to what in this coming they say that they will max solution we would like to see spain to develop into a federal state and i think in this way we can find the solution for a majority of catalan people and so set up plot i mean are you going to try and

reset the clock back to two thousand and ten is that a way forward or is there some other rabbit you could pull i don't think that will be enough because. for many people to go back is not really a good solution but i think we have a problem of having more government a better friend nancy and a position to influence into a spanish politics bigger that that we have now as catalan people and that's why we feel that we don't need just a reform of the catalunya statute of don't know me but also reform of the spanish because here to show an id and i think it's the only way out of these problems of the many political systems across the world is very unusual to have that number of people on the streets whatever the point of view i mean that is a sign of a very very politically active and aware community yes i think i'm not

for independence but i've always our knowledge the capacity of the problem dependence people to put up these marches and these grassroots organization they they've done things very good and very peacefully and i think that's why we can find a peaceful and and through dialogue solution again thank you very much for the interview now i can't come up for two to solve the catalonia issue but i can present you with the well examined question you know the drill only scorch in the quick and road all your close friends thank you very much very nice thank you for the interview so i say here's one i'm very delighted to be joined by ever said the pollution. of the cattle our national assembly welcome for the likes of unsure thank you very much for inviting me to this campaign organization

a civic organization quite apart from the political parties that must be quite a balancing not to become favoring one party over another because i'm not. the parties who support. independence for catalonia yeah this royal for the couple a national assembly is quite complicated both externally and internally because the political parties for independence in catalonia are very diverse we have three main groups and several parties and catherine national assembly has to all be independent of all of them and at the same time try to push their political agenda for agreements to get the objective of in the band and whips of all of the catalan national assembly line no one should key source of activities the political party at present most of our agenda has been centered in the last months in showing support and solidarity to the political prisoners and the exiles like raising money

for their families and holding demonstrations asking for their freedom look the other people who are in person or in exile. are they being from the political parties who are the ministers or office billows in the parliament as opposed or do you have some of your own members are members in jail the only thing. the sanchez as president of catalan national assembly and the new calderon did was organizing the yes campaign. and holding organizing peaceful demonstrations in the streets of catalonia and how about your future activities for the national assembly how do you see the politics and the constitution of of cattle you're playing out over the next few years i think that the political repression is giving asked more arguments in our fight for self-determination and independence so i think that

international political opinion into must be is going to be more prepared to understand why catalan. swanton dependents than they were in the past so how did you see this as president of the catalan nationals and how do you see that this struggle continuing how do you see the politics of can you see a light at the end of the tunnel can you see a route strategy that will get you to watch an objective of independence i think that we have to be persistent we have to be coherent we have to work a lot we have to be intelligent and we will get it in the end in the. i don't know this is a quick you know the drill scores of the scotch whisky in the quick i don't think will be big enough to pass your entire demonstrations but thank you so much for being on the mix thanks for inviting us thank you very much. i'm

a delight to be joined by a guy the newcastle on foreign minister minister you had the stigmas career in socialist politics. before you moved to the republican left can you tell us a bit about that transition in your thinking there's a minute have changed i am still a socialist many in and you know the sense is you're going to imagine it's the socialist party and i have been always socialist but also the taiwanese to come in as the new foreign minister a tricky situation. i would buy one of your early priorities is the with the spanish government to secure the release of the the ministers and others who have been present there would be a priority for you. i think we have how to save three main fields and two to walk in. the first one in more bodies freedom democracy freedom

it includes obviously the liberty from our prisoners and also from our. i think it's. pre-condition any kind of dialogue we could. begin with the spanish and government by you have also the field of not rely on seeing we have to achieve freedom only with you we have two not three and i was but one thing you know we're both those of reaching. rio. possibly could really say about our future as a country it's got the. another demo have to go over and we have to build the country and do it and to support it. with the new socialist government in madrid it will at least be possible to establish a dialogue which wasn't possible with the government of sin europe the issue is that which is the content of the dialogue because probably they would they would just leave me the content available to the to the feds of the fields but we cannot

accept this without advancing and said i mean the who are the real issues of freedom of the freedom and democracy and and seven borman and the right to the self-determination brussels and finally minister you have substantial experience in the politics of european institutions yappin you and i think the government is in will be an issue in the squad means to detect an irony that cattle are anxious to be part of the european whole most frame it very difficult to get. europe peters just as well which voted at least by majority to to leave the not just is finding it very difficult to leave a sort of irony and there is an element to. julius is called the people who join us in the pro you will be in approach new will be in the union minister i wish you

well in your endeavors and to help you in the way i present you with the alley simon quick. you know the drill well whiskey only scotch in only which only scotch no other whiskey what's in. your belly for this is not a thank you very much i think it's the zone. the gratitude of the surroundings on the palace of the generality that of catalonia should not disguise the fact that is still a feeble political atmosphere the vast majority of catalans want the right to determine their own future even if they are divided on what that decision and determination should be we've had from the new president about his strategy for the chief in his dream of an independent republic there is a new prime minister in madrid that is going to be a dialogue but whether that becomes a meaningful dialogue or just a dialogue of the deaf remains to be seen one thing is south and catalunya

still has the capacity to astonish the world so for me that myself and the alex salmond show it's good bye for now one of the features of the catalonian constitutional debate has been the contribution of leading academic economists in next week's show we feature some of these what are you going to congress both liberal and progressive who have been active in the political dialogue of cattle lieut.

it's only natural that baby boomers were vote for policies that help them house price booms or stock price things and it's different franchise the bottom you know age groups but this is oh it's tough luck buddy get a job kids get a job. you put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and. more so more want to be rich. to go on to be pros that's what before three of them or even people that i'm interested in always in the waters in the. bush should. first. of all the.

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me. like. israeli warplanes bombed gaza injuring eighteen people in response to palestinian up rocket fire. saudi airstrike has a school bus in yemen killing of forty civilians mostly children the saudi coalition claims it was a legitimate operation. russia condemns in the latest u.s. sanctions imposed over moscow's alleged a role in the poisoning of a double agent said this cripple and his daughter in the u k.

for the your watching from the tranquility of east bay in traverse city michigan or from right here in moscow this is our team international certainly glad to have you with us well israeli air strikes have injured at least eighteen people in gaza according to local medics are. in one of the latest bombing raids a cultural center in gaza city was destroyed the i.d.f. launched the operation after palestinian militants fired dozens of rockets into southern israel. are are at sea was.

on wednesday night an i.d.f. strike killed at least three people including a pregnant woman as well as her eighteen month old child a local journalist was present at their funeral. we are now and did it by left city in the middle of the gaza city where we are attending the funeral of a nice and beyond us and beyond were killed yesterday during the air strikes gone from gaza strip and that's a plus three year old mother that was pregnant with a nine month baby i'm expecting him at any minute but yet is the one year and a half old baby as you see thousands of palestinians are participating in that for you whining that does the policy here. and the baby oh you see speeches i think the airstrike came from this side the smell is very bad where blood

is filling the place as you see the place is completely destroyed after talking to people in the same neighborhood they said that they found. the mother and the baby shot heard with pieces of their body were they were not in a complete body of the journey run to the most to find out if the explosion was there or in the house ambulances came in the voices of people screaming were heard inside the house we started knocking on the door no one answered we went to the other door a small child opened it he was frightened he ran away from the woman's body blown apart baby was to the ambulances took the victims to hospital the husband was injured in the leg stomach and head and strikes were launched and how to guide till dawn the israeli forces kept on seeing airstrikes where the policy resistance also

fired rockets into israel policy that they would confront blood with blood and strikes with strikes so far there have been announcement but he agreement between the israelis and the palestinian factions where yesterday was a very very tough night on all the palestinians in gaza strip. tomorrow the protestant times are calling for the pot of supply despite the great march of return policy and its continued to protest did you demonstrate yesterday god knows what bring a new skill a synonym no war i got the hottest yes well according to the i.d.f. one hundred eighty rockets were fired from gaza into israel since wednesday in response the military says one hundred fifty airstrikes have been carried out targeting palestinian terrorist positions most of the palestinian rockets fired into israel hit open spaces but at least two landed in a residential area and seven israelis were injured. and the u.n.

says middle east envoy is now warning of devastating consequences for all people if the israel gaza conflict continues to escalate. excuse me warned that the situation could rapidly deteriorate. switching gears now the u.s. state department spokes person faced a barrage of questions about of the new anti russia sanctions announced on wednesday over the poisoning of the former double agent sergey scruple in the u.k. but korea isn't a great example sanctions as a result you want to get rid of their nuclear program again iran you've got a list of twelve things venezuela you've got sort of a clear list i'm trying to understand what your policy is with russia you've got a variety of myriad no sanctions what's your goal well i think the president has addresses and so his secretary pompei o we'd like to have

a better relationship with the russian government recognizing that we have a lot of areas of mutual concern all right earlier washington accused russia of using biological or chemical weapons against the screwballs he discussed the claims and the way the u.s. has justified the sanctions earlier with my colleague. the united states six two thousand and eighteen determined that the government of the russian federation has used chemical biological weapons against its own nationals despite any new evidence coming to light the us wants to impose sanctions on russia and this is in regards to the form of poisoning of form of double agent sake a script on his door to you back in march now the sanctions will be implemented and two sets the fish sets will ban licenses for the export of sensitive national security goods to russia including electronic items and these kind of exports have been previously allowed on

a case by case basis the second round of sanctions though will be more severe this will be the prohibit us baron colognes the ten minute carrier landing rights which we could affect flights from russia to the u.s. and fed the restrictions on exports and imports as well but the u.s. says they that the second round of sanctions will come into effect unless russia provides reliable assurances that it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to on site checks by the u.n. but when you say reliable assurances it was last year twenty seventeen the international community the o.p.c. w confirmed the destruction of all chemical weapons in russia exactly the chemical weapons watchdog verified the destruction and can fend this in september two thousand and seventeen but with still waiting for now that evidence as to why sanctions of being imposed now and the u.s. has already implemented measures you might remember that around sixty diplomats

were expelled by the u.s. last spring when this saga fest escalated but when questions at the press conference the state department official didn't mention any fed the reasoning behind the sanctions whether this was because of old evidence or new evidence let's take a listen to what they had to say. where are you getting the conclusion that rush is behind this creep are poisoning i will leave it to others to characterize the current state of our understanding of the scriptural affair we've been very clear that we agree with the assessment that it was a joke agent and that the perpetrator was ultimately the russian federation. i'll leave it to others to give those kinds of details of what we currently understand obviously from reading the press it appears that their investigation is ongoing in terms of the scope and nature of the details and its implications but i'll leave that to others the key words there from the official swear a leave it to others to give the details so whether the u.s. wants the u.k.

to disclose the evidence behind the attack remains to be seen and the u.s. is now skating around the reasoning at the moment issuing fresh sanctions without fresh evidence and all the while russian officials here in moscow keep asking for transparency for evidence that keeps asking can russia be involved in this investigation and yet are we to understand the basis of the yukos evidence still falls on the quote highly likely stance well the case views on there always has been highly likely that russia is behind this attack saying that only russia has the motives the means and the record to target the school policy and moreover as well moscow has repeatedly denied involvement with this offering offering like you said cooperation on the investigation which london has repeatedly denied but so far we know that the chemical weapons watchdog the a.p. c.w. and porton down haven't been able to confirm all region of the nerve agent we have not verified the precise source but we provided the scientific

information to the government but you have not been able to establish at porton down that this was made in russia as i said it's our job to provide aid you know the scientific evidence that identifies what the particular in their region is but it's not our job to see where that actually was manufactured to be create your not table look cotton down to say where it is from we haven't yet been able to do that as analysis of the p.c. w.'s report i did to find the country. of origin of the agent use. in this time and now we're left with this highly likely stems from the u.k. and the u.s. is issuing this fresh round of sanctions but we haven't seen any new information come to light here in the sanctions that will be imposed on or around august the twenty second in the meantime the u.k. prime minister's office has welcomed the new batch of u.s. sanctions on russia.