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welcome to worlds apart as a popular american song goes there is no justice in the world and the palestinians may know it better than anyone else expelled from the land bad with empty statehood promises for seventy years and now shot at and killed and massed for the sake of providing security for israel is that likely to prompt any international response beyond this condemnations well to discuss that i'm now joined by saber erica secretary general of the palestine liberation organization mr erekat that's good to talk to you at this critical moment thank you very much for your time and a pleasure now first of all let me express our deep felt condolences just as deeply

felt rage a mass killing on the gaza border is there anything at this point that you can do to stop it first of all i appreciate your kindness and. your understanding of the situation and your condolences to the palestinian people we have witnessed the. massacre sixty four people were killed. totally and i and in their land none of them across the israel and then there's really army killed sixty four and one dead two thousand five hundred in the west bank and gaza and and the line the line that we hear from israel is that israel defend itself i don't know defend itself against weapon against home. and then the united states nikki haley then best i'm going to say it's really becoming to be the spokesperson of those really government and this american administration has really thrown this region down the

bath of extremism violence and counter-violence and bloodshed let's not sort of diminish it only to the united states is there israel obviously there is also an international community and you cannot say that it has entirely turned a blind eye to what has happened and number of countries have recalled their ambassador is the u.n. human rights spokesman called the monday violence appalling and deadly the europeans including the russians expressed condemnation do you think though this reaction is proportionate to what has happened as you pointed out more than sixty people killed on the one day and more than twenty seven hundred injured well first of all we appreciate the support of the international community to support those countries will stood tall and stood trial the to shoulder with the palestinian people in their moment of sadness and darkness was too tall to condemn the masses really massacres and work crimes being committed here and that's i think the

majority of the nations of the earth have expressed their condemnation of such acts then out of the condemnation what do we do about it. what do we do about it since march thirtieth to now we have hundred and four palestinian killed mostly women and children five thousand wondered what do we do to morrow israel feels immune and and the end of the day. we have done everything humanly possible as palestinians as leadership here to achieve peace with israel we have organized as a right to exist on the sixty seven lines we have accepted that was the solution we have worked so hard with the quartet americans are european union and united nations to achieve peace but there isn't any government refused that was dissolution and if you use the creation of palestinian state continue to build settlements and dictation on the ground and then comes the united states administration to support all the israeli more than steps and to dictate on us

that's just throwing. international diplomacy towards chaos lawlessness and entering now mr arafat as i said in my introduction this is a hugely hugely and fear world and this is not the first time that these really sarah resorted to such disproportionate and in my view callous violence against your people but let me repeat my question again do you think there is anything that other countries can do. to change that what exactly you would like to see russia the european union china any of your supporters in the arab world to do at this point i would like or the people who stand with international law the countries that stands to defend international like russia china and the european union. organizations like the u.n. and other countries to hold israel accountable they cannot continue business as usual with israel they cannot continue receiving israeli prime ministers and their

capitals they cannot continue that appeared with israel as long as they do these things. is a must be held accountable if any country on earth does this to its people and to the people to tip to the to their neighbors what would enter national unity do. now this government feels immune feels that people one statement condemning saying it's bad and then in this critical time we have an american veto in the general assembly we have solutions that are inevitably mental so if you want me to be very frank i want these nations because if to stand tall and hold the israeli government accountable now we have made it a fair deal for the international criminal court we want the help of the members of the international court criminal court to open to help us open an official investigation and this war crimes against the israeli prime minister and defense minister and others or officials we have a guest now in the human rights council calling for an investigation committee we

won the support of the international community to send and compel israel to accept this investigation committee to begin its work that's that's what we need but then a view of. that they can continue building settlements massacring palestinians and then it's business as usual and their occupation and their the militia of arms and collective punishment and then and and then business as usual if i say there are people who tell me this is not realistic how can we be part of making peace while we treat as well i guess israel has a government that is one partner we don't have a partner in israel for peace anymore this israeli government is there to destroy that was the solution and to destroy hope for peace mr arafat you made it clear in a number of occasions that you don't do not see the united states as an honest or independent peace broker and i think many people at least in moscow would totally agree to that but with the united states absent who can possibly come power and this is i mean this is a painful question but i have to ask you who can possibly compel israel to

negotiate in good faith or even sees what doing what it's doing that's that's up to the international community that's up to the moral standards of nations if they want this region because who's who. benefiting now from such actions presidential and united states the united states is not only not a partner they cannot be a partner they are not a broker they have taken the seats of netanya they are dictating the solution this wrong in this region towards lawlessness extremists in this region have been strengthened and bravado demolition by these american israeli citizens and actions more than a time before moderates and arab world people like me have been destroyed so that when the nations of the world if they can't get through security council if they can get through the international criminal court if they can do anything about the thread that means you're telling the arab people the only way for you is do is while and the only way we're for you is to support extremism and that's what we've

been fighting against as arabs because we we want to live and let live we want we want to human rights we want to human rights women's rights democracy the rule of law we want peace but with such actions such fascism such apartheid being exercised by israel and israel getting away with it i think this is opening the get of in this region speaking about who is benefiting from it i think there is a deliberate effort on the israeli side now to paint all the gas the protesters as hamas which they clearly weren't having said that do you think there's any truth to the argument that hamas may find these demonstrations and the violence as welcome distraction allowing it to refocus you know the growing frustration with that same group in gaza into anger against israel well i don't you know this is this is the israeli argument all the time israel is defending itself how many

israelis were on the domain israelis were killed how many israelis were threatened none how mass has nothing to do with this demonstration there are people from all spectrums of the listing and civic society they are your reporters are there the. you see a single palestinian and is the most russians with a gun with open with anything nothing women and children and men and all all from societies from all palestinian factions from all parts of the world but then israel's line is that you're on a mass has threatened destruction of israel they're destroying hitting syria they're hitting lebanon they did it killing the palestinians and then they cling. to be the victims and that's the irony that's the irony of fascism we have seen such pretext given by all fascists who want throughout this history israel is killing and destroying a palestinian civilian population under occupation under israeli occupation under

international law civilians should be protected and the international community must move in a direction of providing international protection for palestinians mr arafat as he as you mentioned we do have reporters on the ground and most of them are attached to the very indeed peaceful nature of this protest they say that given how many people have participated in the demonstrations they were actually surprised how by how placid those demonstrations were on the palestinian side but i also have to know that there have been reports of some young men bringing knives and dance cutters to the demonstrations there were also reports of calls over the loudspeakers to burst through the stands and. i just wonder what do you think would be the proportionate reaction from their israeli side to those kind of actions let's say that people who cross the line ok which by the way there is no line because there's a good not define it. but you know there's

a fans there and there are israeli soldiers guarding that fence the fence a self imposed self created israel has not declared its borders yet that's the question but when we saw that if it is coming from the middle east towards europe then as of thousands. did you hear of any people being killed in russia or in oland or in germany or in france or in britain yea if as palestinians across the line you can analyze them you can arrest them you don't have to open gunfire and we have pictures of israeli soldiers killing our kids and our boys and girls and then celebrating grabbing. their happiness these are war crimes these are murderers i cannot accept any pretext other than saying that they defending how can they defend themselves do the pretext of such massacres i think the message is very clear i think the message is still in palestinians we're here to stay as your occupiers we're going to block it get there we're going to

continue our control no it's back we're going to continue our settlements we have the full support of this american administration that i'm administration which is really throwing the whole world thought chaos and lawlessness and same ism and its actions and then those nations where there are one hundred ninety four nations on earth not a single nation without a problem in its social demographic fabric or geographic fabric so if we're going to go on the backs of lawlessness. that is pursuing the result will be chaos lawlessness the rule of the jungle violence and counter-violence and bloodshed and extremism is that what we want is that what europe want what russia wants what china wants mr arafat this is obviously not what we want but unfortunately the world has allowing has been allowing this for for a number of years if not decades already let me ask you one very specific question on the on may fourteenth advance because the protests in on the gaza border let's

call it border around the gaza fans had been ongoing for more than a month today there were victims and casualties before dozens of people killed and yet. the majority of the casualties occurred on that specific day of israel's founding and the opening of these really of the american embassy interest in him do you find these fact that the majority of casualties occurred on may fourteenth a tragic sad coincidence or do you think that these really army was tasked with being more forceful with using life fire on that specific occasion well exactly the palestinians present from canberra as a fire and then he poured fuel on the fire then instead of being the fireman they became the arsonists and that's the meaning of the opening of the

embassy and used the resentment like establishing a new settlement outposts and there are three and then the message from israel ok we have the united states here and look at what we're doing we're massacring palestinians and then in the united nations there are two israeli ambassadors one named and one member haley and we will blame the palestinians. we blame the palestinians will export fear and so on and i don't think that enter national community has any on and their forehead saying stupid because the lack of free action of the international community is as any a threat is that any threat to the stability and security of all nations extreme blood would be brutal brutal will breed blood violence will breed violence this petition will lead to disparate apps and what israel is doing now and destroying a palestinian life social life economic life making people hopeless what will the

it would be creating i'm a father of four a grandfather of seven i don't want them to be suicide bombers i want them to be allowed to your children in russia like the children the three didn't like the children and they're not states i want them to be normal people with such massacres which which such a crimes and israel getting away with that what you're doing is is totally behaving the way of for get so fell to open in this region mr erekat let me stop you there we have to take a very short break but we'll be back in just a few moments. and. manufactured

. public will. protect themselves. with very. sick. welcome back to worlds apart but save erica the secretary general of the palestine

liberation organization mr erakat there is some effort on the part of the former u.s. administration the obama administration to try to convince its european allies to centrally hold on for a few years until trump is voted out of office you know they say dia that one day no mallets you will have returned i wonder if that is the perspective that you take as well that this current american predisposition which is clearly harmful and unfair to your cause that it is only temporary well look we we had meetings with the time administration and two thousand and seventeen thirty five times going in for some months between our president and president. and i held personally thirty one other meetings with them as negotiations we give them a possible chance with their decision in declaring israel a cut of israel they disqualify themselves from any role in the peace process we will not sit with them they're not partners they're not only biased the adopting

their israeli bill of dictation and not negotiations and you know once franklin d. roosevelt said the officer no i thought is an office of international military and officers international morality needs john statesman nothing else that agents this administration cannot be a partner and of course we our only option is to stand this land and to be in this land today between that of a jordan and limited in and we are the majority as palestinian arabs bustin and christian and muslim arabs we're fifty point nine percent jews are forty nine point one percent what are they going to do with us other than creating extremism and then you know when violence spread and people are being killed and what side then is or i would say all of these people have it in their d.n.a. they are terrorists and so on i have devoted plenty five years of my life in negotiations with israel to save lives resign example us any and to live and let

live we have a good night there is a right to exist we have accepted a city and state with the reason of skeletal to live side by side in peace and security with the state of it on the ninety six seven lines. what did is a good return more settlements more dictations more killing more murders more siege more closures more collective punishment on demolish and all these all these actions are being done in two thousand and eighteen by a member of the u.n. and they call it the only democracy in the world this is it's fascism and it never in the history of south africa darkest hours of apartheid where blacks prevented to use roads what we're using to there are in the west bank and israel in order we cannot use us palestinians and such diseases as bigotry and racism once in inflict only underneath our skins of any kind of any risk for any religion we had it in this is a justify it sometimes we give sociological psychological economic sexual explanations and now israel is using the pretext security to justify its apartheid system being

created and those bank is tourism and the gaza strip and this must stop and this we will stand up we will not depart this is our land and we will defend ourselves mr erekat let me ask you one more question i know that the you believe the trance announcement and his decision to move the american embassy to jerusalem was essentially the end of the two state solution that's at least what you said on record and i also heard you say that trans decision will force the palestinians to strive for quote unquote historic palestine from the jordan river to the mediterranean sea which is another way of saying that you too not only reject the two state solution but you actually don't recognize israel's right to exist on those territories i understand the emotions behind that statement i understand that but do you think it can bring your people any good in practical terms look what i said i said i said our only option our option is

a two state solution our option is to live and let live our option is for the state of israel which will be nice on the ninety six seven lines to live side by side in peace and security with the state of palestine that's what we said now israel. the nutter who as a person instead refused to stop settlements and so on so we're left with two options if israel is destroying that was their solution and benjamin netanyahu personally is in office for the last nine years destroying that was state solution and now time came to them in order to be a two state solution we're left with two options one is needed now is option one step two systems up or fight this will not be accepted to us the second option is one state equal rights for jews muslims and christians to live together that's a very civilized solution but the israelis will never accept it. so it was a distress a two state solution and of the option of a third is not doable for the palestinians and of the option of one state it was not the will for the israelis what will this leave palestinians and israelis with i think the this narrative of historic palestine is definitely becoming more popular

among the palestinian officials just the other day mahmoud abbas said that palestine is for the palestinians it is not as the jews claim the land of their ancestors so he does seem to be questioning israel's right to exist on those lands and i wonder if that does not make it easier for israel to paint you as anti semitic rejectionists president mahmoud abbas went to the security council and february twentieth two thousand and eighteen and his speech last week of the palestine national council and iterated our commitment to the two state solution where the state of palestine with these duracell limits its capital will live side by side in peace and security with the state of israel and he called for an international conference and he was willing to come to moscow abandoned with a sham president porton to meet with it with prime minister netanyahu and prime minister netanyahu refused then with asian present put in place not once or twice and accepted we are with

a two state solution with. israel did not recognize us since one thousand eight hundred we have accepted resolutions two for two and three is rare and organize israel and since one thousand eight hundred israel has done nothing but to dictate settlements on the land that's obviously a palestinian state that's the reality that's a reality we never abandon that was their solution that's a two state solution as our line is our vision is to live and let live because we know that we realists this is the only way for palestinians and israelis is to have two states to live side by side in peace and security next to each other. now who's destroying the two state solution who's building settlements in the supposed to be a palestinian state on the hour every hour who's the stating that it was a limb other than from bennett and you know who is doing the collective punishment and military means can you solve the political problem with military means you can't you can't so all these things our position is that we haven't as israel and the stance israel refuses a two state solution present never mentioned two states he mentioned in the context

that if both parties agree the giver of it in and you know they did the administration's of the not steps in six seven considered is jerusalem as a coup by territory now they said we recognize duracell and as defined by the government of israel that means they have abandoned their line that is there was a massacre by predatory so what do you do in such guess i think i think this region is being thrown into the hands of extremists i think moderates are being destroyed and i think this is their intention their strategy so they can say israel can say oh we're only democracy we had it we don't we don't we want peace but we're going to have a partner for peace and nobody will ask them but you have a partner for peace would have ignited you since one thousand area and in a bush it would do for twenty five years and you would not move one inch to announce that you accept the two state solution or you want to who knows the palestinian state or stop settlements or stop the collective punishment mr erekat

we've talked about israel and the united states but i think it's also evident that one of your former strong backers in the arab world saudi arabia is also. well is no longer there for you if i may put it that way i'm sure you've heard about this leaked conversation of the crown prince saudi crown prince reportedly suggesting that they said the palestinians should take what's on offer or shut up what's your reaction to that. this is absolutely baseless it's not true last night i was with the president when he when he received a phone call from his majesty king so member of judges of saudi arabia he called for an emergency session tomorrow for a lot of foreign minister to be pushed to fully support us they denounced and condemned the dumb decision and that's this is false accusation they're trying to shock to tell palestinians that you are wrong that's a lie we have a con men out of position i'll admit if i would it with each other over syria where there are over libya over yemen but when it comes to palestine arabs are united the

last summit held and riyadh again said man of saudi arabia said it's the summit of jerusalem and condemnation of the times a decision that is the truth that's the truth there is no out of country that doesn't support us fully supporting us and that's the truth so all these lies being spread by myth and you know that are trying to to say that the way they see their geopolitics of the region that iran is the threat and that we join with saudi arabia and we join with the emirates with this with that that's totally got the lights netanyahu as occupation is this it stabilizing all countries well mr arafat may have to leave it there really really appreciate your taking time to talk sass today and i also invite our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages i hope to see here again same place same time here and also part of. are.

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