may know it better than anyone else expelled from the land with empty statehood promises for seventy years and now shot at and killed and massed for the sake of providing security for israel is that likely to prompt any international response beyond this condemnations well to discuss that i'm now joined by saber erica secretary general of the palestine liberation organization mr erica it's good to talk to you at this critical moment thank you very much for your time. now first of all let me express our deep felt condolences just as deeply felt rage a mass killing on the gaza border is there anything at this point that you can do to stop a person. your understanding of the situation and. people we have witnessed. massacre sixty four people were killed. totally and i and in their land none of them across the israel and then there's

really army killed sixty four and one dead two thousand five hundred in the west bank and gaza and the lion the line that we hear from israel is that israel defend itself i don't know defend itself against what and against whom. and then the united states nikki haley then best i'm going to say it's really becoming to be the spokesperson of those really government and this american administration has really thrown this region down the bath of extremism violence and counter-violence and bloodshed let's not sort of diminish it only the united states is there israel obviously there is also an international community and you cannot say that it has entirely turned a blind eye to what has happened and number of countries have recalled their ambassador is the u.n. human rights spokesman called the monday violence appalling and deadly the europeans including the russians expressed condemnation do you think though this

reaction is proportionate to what has happened as you pointed out more than sixty people killed on the one day and more than twenty seven hundred injured well first of all we appreciate the support of the international community to support those countries will stood tall and stood trial the to shoulder with the palestinian people in their moment of sadness and darkness it was too tall to condemn the masses are only massacres and war crimes being committed here and that's i think the majority of the nations of the earth have expressed their condemnation of such acts then out of the condemnation what do we do about it. what do we do about it since march thirtieth to now we have hundred and four palestinian killed mostly women and children five thousand wondered what do we do to morrow israel feels immune and then of the day. we have done everything humanly possible as palestinians as leadership here to achieve peace with israel we have organized as

a right to exist on the sixty seven lines we have accepted the two state solution we have worked so hard with the quartet americans are european union and united nations to achieve peace but there is really government refused the two state solution refuse the creation of a stance that continued to build settlements and dictation on the ground and then comes the united states administration to support all the israeli more than steps and to dictate on us that's just throwing. international diplomacy toward chaos lawlessness and entering now mr erekat as i said in my introduction this is a hugely hugely and fair world and this is not the first time that these release resorted to such disproportionate and in my view callous violence against your people but let me repeat my question again do you think there is anything that other countries can do. to change that what exactly you would like to see russia

the european union china any of your supporters in the arab world to do at this point i would like or the people who stand with international law the countries that stands to defend international like russia china the european union. organizations like the u.n. and other countries to hold israel accountable they cannot continue business as usual with israel they cannot continue receiving israeli prime ministers and their capitals they cannot continue that appeared with israel as long as they do these things. is a must be held accountable if any country on earth does this to its people and to the people to tip to the to their neighbors what would enter national unity do. now this government feels immune to the people one statement condemning saying it's bad and then in this critical time we have an american veto in the general assembly we have solutions that are inevitably mental so if you want me to be very frank i

want these nations because if to stand tall and hold the israeli government accountable now we have made it a fair deal for the international criminal court we want the help of the members of the international court criminal court to open to help us open an official investigation and this war crimes against the israeli prime minister and defense minister and others or officials we have a guest now in the human rights council calling for an investigation committee we won the support of the international community to send and compel israel to accept this investigation committee to begin its work that's that's what we need but then of you feels that they can continue building settlements massacring palestinians and then it's business as usual and their occupation and their demolition of homes and collective punishment and then and then business as usual if i say there are people who tell me this is not realistic how can we be part of making peace while we treat as well i guess israel has a government that is one partner we don't have

a partner in israel for peace anymore this israeli government is there to destroy the two state solution and to destroy hope for peace mr arafat you made it clear in a number of occasions that you don't do not see the united states as an honest or independent peace broker and i think many people at least in moscow i would totally agree to that but with the united states absent who can possibly come power and this is i mean this is a painful question but i have to ask you who can possibly compel israel to negotiate in good faith or even sees what doing what it's doing that's that's up to the international community that's up to the moral standards of nations if they want this region because who's who. benefiting now from such actions as a united states the united states is not only not a partner they cannot be a partner they are not a broker they have taken the seats of netanya they are dictating the solution they're throwing this region towards lawlessness extremists in this region have

been strengthened and bravado demolition by this american is a decisions and actions more than time before moderates and arab world people like me have been destroyed so that the nations of the world if they can't get through security council if they can get through the international criminal court if they can do anything about their threat that means you're telling the arab people the only way for you is do is why allan's the only way we're for you is to support extremism and that's what we've been fighting against as arabs because we want to live and let live we want we want to human rights we want to human rights women's rights democracy the rule of law we want peace but with such actions such fascism such apartheid being exercised by israel and israel getting away with it i think this is opening the gate of hell in this region speaking about who is benefiting from it i think there is a deliberate effort on the israeli side now to paint all the gas the protesters as

hamas which they clearly weren't having said that do you think there's any truth to the argument that hamas may find these demonstrations and the violence welcome distraction allowing it to refocus you know the growing frustration with that same group in gaza into anger against israel well i don't you know this is this is the israeli argument all the time isabel is defending itself how many israelis were on the domain israelis were killed how many israelis were threatened none how mass has nothing to do with this demonstration there are people from all spectrums of the listing and civic society they are your reporters are there the. you see a single palestinian and is the most nations with a gun with open with anything nothing women and children and men and all of these from all palestinian factions from all parts of the world but then israel's line is that you're on

a mass has threatened destruction of israel they're destroying hitting syria they're hitting lebanon they did it killing the palestinians and then they clip. the limb to be the victims and that's the irony that's the irony of fascism we have seen such critics given by all fascists who want throughout this history israel is killing and destroying a palestinian civilian population under occupation under israeli occupation under international law civilians should be protected and the international community must move in a direction of providing international protection for palestinians mr arafat as he as you mentioned we do have reporters on the ground and most of them are attached to the very peaceful nature of this protest they say that given how many people have participated in the demonstrations they were actually surprised how by how placid those demonstrations were on the palestinian side but i also have to know

that there have been reports of some young men bringing knives and fans cutters to the demonstrations there were also reports of calls over the loudspeakers to burst through the stands and. i just wonder what do you think would be the proportionate reaction from their israeli side to those kind of actions let's say the people who cross the line ok which by the way there is no line because there's a lot of mud define it's one of those but you know there's a fence there and there are israeli soldiers guarding that fence the fence a self imposed self created israel has not declared its borders yet that's the question but when we saw that if it is coming from the middle east towards europe then as of thousands. did you hear of any people being killed and russia oland or in germany or in france or in britain yes if as palestinians across the line you can analyze them you can arrest them you don't have to open gunfire

and we have pictures of israeli soldiers killing our kids and our boys and girls and then celebrating grabbing. their happiness these are war crimes these are murderers i cannot accept any pretext other than saying that they defending how can they defend themselves do the pretext of such massacres i think the message is very clear i think the message is still in palestinian we are here to stay as your occupiers we're going to block it get there we're going to continue our control no it's back we're going to continue our settlements we have the full support of this american administration that i'm administration which is really throwing the whole world thought chaos and lawlessness and same ism and its actions and then those nations where there are one hundred ninety four nations on earth not a single nation without a problem in its social demographic fabric or geographic fabric so if we're going to go on the backs of lawlessness. that drumbeat is pursuing the result will be

chaos lawlessness the rule of the jungle violence and counter-violence and bloodshed and extremism is that what we want is that what europe want what russia wants what china wants mr arafat this is obviously not what we want but unfortunately the world has allowing has been allowing this for for a number of years if not decades already let me ask you one very specific question on the on may fourteenth advance because the protests in on the gaza border let's call it border around the gaza fans had been ongoing for more than a month today there were victims and casualties before dozens of people killed and yet. the majority of the casualties occurred on that specific day of israel's founding and the opening of these reilley of the american embassy interest in him do you find these fact that the majority of casualties occurred on may

fourteenth a tragic sad coincidence or do you think that these really army was tasked with being more forceful with using lie fire on that specific occasion well exactly the palestinians present come cambia as a fire and then he poured fuel on the fire then instead of being the fireman they became the arsonists and that's the meaning of the opening of the embassy and used the resentment like establishing a new settlement outposts in occupied territories and then the message from israel ok we have the united states here and look at what we're doing we're massacring palestinians and then in the united nations there are two israeli ambassadors one named and one member haley and we will blame the palestinians. we'll blame the palestinians will export fear and so on and i don't think that the international community has any on and therefore had saying stupid because the lack of free

action of the international community is as any a threat is that any threat to the stability and security of all nations extreme blood will be brutal brutal will breed blood violence will breed violence this petition will lead to disparate apts and what israel is doing now and destroying a palestinian life social life economic life making people hopeless what will the it would be creating i'm a father of four a grandfather of seven i don't want them to be suicide bombers i want them to be like your children in russia like the children the three didn't like the children and they're not states i want them to be normal people with such massacres which which such a crimes and israel getting away with that what you're doing is is totally behaving the way of for gets of help to open in this region mr erekat let me stop you there

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hawks. welcome back to worlds apart with say barack and secretary general of the palestine liberation organization mr erakat. there is some effort on the part of the former u.s. administration the obama administration to try to convince its european allies to centrally hold on for a few years until trump is voted out of office you know this idea that one day in or mallets you will have returned i wonder if that is the perspective that you take as well that this current american predisposition which is clearly harmful and unfair to your cause that it is only temporary well look we we had meetings of the time administration and two thousand and seventeen thirty five times drilling

for some months between our president and president trump and i held personally thirty one other meetings with them as negotiations we give them every possible chance with their decision in declaring as a relative israel to disqualify themselves from any role in the peace process we will not sit with them they're not partners they're not only biased the adopting the israeli bhushan of dictation and not negotiations and you know once franklin d. roosevelt said the office of the white house is an office of international monetary and office of international morality needs john statesman not real estate agents this administration cannot be a partner and of course we our only option is to stay on this land and to be in this land today between the river jordan and the military and we are the majority as palestinian arabs bustin and christian and muslim arabs we're fifty point nine percent jews are forty nine point one percent what are they going to do with us

other than creating extremism and then you know when violence spread and people are being killed and what side then israel would say all of these people have it in their d.n.a. there are terrorists and so on. i have devoted twenty five years of my life in negotiations with israel to save lives resample athenians to live and let live we have who denies there's a right to exist we have accepted a palestinian state with is written as capital to live side by side in peace and security with a set of us around the one hundred seven lines. what it is a return more settlements more dictations more killing more murders more siege more closures more collective punishment on demolish and all these all these actions are being done in two thousand and eighteen by a member of the u.n. and they call it the only democracy in the world this is its fascism and it never in the history of south africa darkest hours of apartheid where blacks prevented to use roads what we're using to there are in the west bank and east jerusalem roads

we cannot use us palestinians and such diseases as bigotry and racism once in inflict only underneath our skins of any kind of any risk for any religion we had it in this is a justify it sometimes we give sociological psychological economic sexual explanations and now israel is using the pretext security to justify its apartheid system being created and those bank is tourism and the gaza strip and this must stop and this we will stand up we will not depart this is our land and we will defend ourselves mr erekat let me ask you one more question i know that the you believe the trance announcement and his decision to move the american embassy to jerusalem was essentially the end of the two state solution that's at least what you said on record and i also heard you say that trans decision will would force the palestinians to strive for quote unquote historic palestine from the jordan river to the mediterranean sea which is another way of saying that you too not only

reject the two state solution but you actually don't recognize israel's right to exist on those territories i understand the emotions behind that statement i understand that but do you think it can bring your people any good in practical terms look what i said i said i said our only option our option is a two state solution our option is to live and let live our option is for the state of israel which will be nice on the ninety six seven lines to live side by side in peace and security with the state of palestine that's what we said now israel. the nutter who as a person instead refused to stop settlements and so on so we're left with two options if israel is destroying the two state solution and benjamin netanyahu personally is in office for the last nine years destroying that was state solution and now time came to them in order to be a two state solution will it was two options one is needed now is option one step two systems up or fight this will not be accepted to us the second option is one state equal rights for jews muslims and christians to live together that's

a very civilized solution but the israelis will never accept it. so it was a distress a two state solution and of the option of a third is not doable for the palestinians and of the option of one state equal rights not the will for the israelis what will this leave palestinians and israelis with i think the this narrative of historic palestine is definitely becoming more popular among the palestinian officials just the other day mahmoud abbas said that palestine is for the palestinians it is not as the jews claim the land of their ancestors so he does seem to be questioning israel's right to exist on those lands and i wonder if that does not make it easier for israel to paint you as anti-semitic rejectionists president mahmoud abbas went to the security council in february twentieth two thousand and eighteen and his speech last week at the palestine national council iterated our commitment to the two state solution where the state of palestine with his duracell limits its capital will live side by side

in peace and security with a state of israel and he called for an international conference and he was willing to come to moscow about then with a shot president putin to meet with with prime minister netanyahu and prime minister netanyahu refused then with asian present put in place not once or twice and accepted we are with a two state solution with organized israel and israel did not recognize us since one thousand eight hundred we have accepted resolutions two for two and three is rare and organizer and since one thousand eight hundred israel has done nothing but to dictate settlements on the land that's obviously a palestinian state that's the reality that's a reality we never abandon that was their solution that's a two state solution as our line is our vision is to live and let live because we know that we realists this is the only way for palestinians and israelis is to have two states to live side by side in peace and security next to each other. now who's destroying the two state solution who's building settlements in the supposed to be

a palestinian state on the hour every hour who is the typical of a to jerusalem other than from bennett and you know who is doing the collective punishment and military means can you solve the political problem with military means you can't you can't so all these things our position is that we have to win as israel and the stance israel refuses the two state solution present never mention two states he mentioned in the context that if both parties agree to give a little tenet and you know they did administrations of the not steps in six seven consider it is derosa them as a coup by territory now they said we'll have nice jerusalem as defined by the government of israel that means they have abandoned their line that is doesn't like about it three so what do you do in such guess i think i think this region is being thrown to the hands of extremists i think moderates are being destroyed and i think this is their intention their strategy so they can say israel can say oh we're only

democracy we had we don't we don't we want peace but we'll have a partner for peace and nobody will ask them but you had a partner for peace would have ignited you since nineteen at the air and in a bush shared with you for twenty five years and you did not move one inch to announce that you accept the two state solution or you want to who knows the palestinian state or stop settlements or stop the collective punishment mr erekat we've talked about israel and the united states but i think it's also evident that one of your former strong backers in the arab world saudi arabia is also. well is no longer there for you if i may put it that way i'm sure you've heard about this leaked conversation of the crown prince saudi crown prince reportedly suggesting that this the palestinians should take what's on offer or shut up what's your reaction to that. this is absolutely baseless it's not true last night i was with the president when he when he received a phone call from his majesty king so remember i'm judges of saudi arabia he called

for an emergency session to morrow for a lot of foreign minister to be pushed to fully support us they denounced and condemned the crime decision and that's this is false accusation they're trying to show up to tell palestinians that you are wrong that's a lie we have a conman out of position i've made if i would it with each other over syria where are over libya over yemen but when it comes to palestine. united the last summit held and riyadh again said amount of saudi arabia said it's the summit of the muslim and condemnation of the times a decision that is the truth that's the truth there is no other country that doesn't support us fully supporting us and that's the truth so all these lies being spread by myth and you know that are trying to to say that the way they see that geopolitics of the region that iran is the threat and that we joined with saudi arabia and we join with the emirates with this with that that's totally got the lights netanyahu is occupation is this it stabilizing all countries well

mr arafat may have to leave it there really really appreciate your taking time to talk sass today and i also invite our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages i hope to see here again same place same time here and also part. of. our. first. of all those little moving georgia shows don't google so diageo other lists as they.

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